New wrinkles you think we might see in 2009

[Scott Campbell]

Re: New wrinkles you think we might see in 2009

First of all, we have no idea if he's the #5 receiver in the coaches minds. Do we have a depth chart update since the beginning of last season? No.

True - though he could be #6 or #7 using that logic.

[cpk1994]

Re: New wrinkles you think we might see in 2009

I think we underestimate how much RM-AR's relationship factors into roster making decisions.

I think that will help RM stay around.

I tend to agree. No way does Martin get cut because he is A) doing PR work for the Packers as one of their ambassadors (along with Arod and Jennings) and B) supposedly one of Rodgers closest friends on the team.

What if he absoulely blows in camp? He is the #5 reciever. It doesn't matter what his relationship with Rodgers is or what he is doing for the Packers. If he blows in camp he's gone. Saying there's no way he gets cut is making a big assumption.

First of all, we have no idea if he's the #5 receiver in the coaches minds. Do we have a depth chart update since the beginning of last season? No.

Second of all, 5th receivers typically don't do PR work for a club unless they're pretty popular, good players. Ruvell isn't going anywhere until his contract is up.

3rd, just about any player who sucks it up in camp will be cut unless there is a huge long term cap ramification. You don't think they'd cut Jones if he "blows" in camp?!? What about Wells?!? Other than people who were recently paid and first and second year players, very few can get by without performing.

Yet you seem to think that Ruvell can really stink it up in camp and not get cut. Please tell me you are not this ignorant.

[Partial]

I don't think he's immune to getting cut but I also don't think he's going to stink it up.

The only way his spot is in jeopardy is if someone really comes on and surprises imo.

Why is everything so black and white with you?

[cpk1994]

I don't think he's immune to getting cut but I also don't think he's going to stink it up.

The only way his spot is in jeopardy is if someone really comes on and surprises imo.

Why is everything so black and white with you?

I just don't think that Martin is that good and can easily see him being replaced this fall. He is #5 in my book and it would only take one player to jump in front to make him expendable.

[Gunakor]

I don't think he's immune to getting cut but I also don't think he's going to stink it up.

The only way his spot is in jeopardy is if someone really comes on and surprises imo.

Why is everything so black and white with you?

I just don't think that Martin is that good and can easily see him being replaced this fall. He is #5 in my book and it would only take one player to jump in front to make him expendable.

I think he's definitely good enough to be our #5. He's 6'4" and doesn't drop many balls thrown in his direction. I'd think most teams would love to have him as their #4, including us if we didn't have Nelson or Jones. What about him makes you think he's that expendable? Who do you think is going to take his spot this year?

[Scott Campbell]

What about him makes you think he's that expendable?

I think by definition your #5 guy is expendable. But somebody would have to beat him out. And I think that's no easy feat, because he's a very good #5.

[rbaloha1]

What about him makes you think he's that expendable?

I think by definition your #5 guy is expendable. But somebody would have to beat him out. And I think that's no easy feat, because he's a very good #5.

Agreed. Swain just needs to hold on to the ball consistently. He is lucky the Packers did not cut him.

The Packers already have enough long striders. Swain fits nicely as a smaller slot receiver. IMO beats out RM for #5.

[Gunakor]

What about him makes you think he's that expendable?

I think by definition your #5 guy is expendable. But somebody would have to beat him out. And I think that's no easy feat, because he's a very good #5.

Well that's my point. If we don't keep him as our #5, someone else is gonna pick him up to be their #4. I'm all for a change if there's someone better, but I just don't see it. In addition to being talented and athletic enough to warrant hanging on to, he also has several years of experience in our offense. Whoever is trying to take his job has an awful lot to prove, whereas Martin has proven an awful lot already. He's worth keeping IMO.

[Scott Campbell]

What about him makes you think he's that expendable?

I think by definition your #5 guy is expendable. But somebody would have to beat him out. And I think that's no easy feat, because he's a very good #5.

Well that's my point. If we don't keep him as our #5, someone else is gonna pick him up to be their #4. I'm all for a change if there's someone better, but I just don't see it. In addition to being talented and athletic enough to warrant hanging on to, he also has several years of experience in our offense. Whoever is trying to take his job has an awful lot to prove, whereas Martin has proven an awful lot already. He's worth keeping IMO.

Probably. But let them settle it on the field. May the best man win.


I disagree with the notion that he is somehow now a sacred cow because he dis some PR work in the offseason.

[RashanGary]

I don't think he's immune to getting cut but I also don't think he's going to stink it up.

The only way his spot is in jeopardy is if someone really comes on and surprises imo.

Why is everything so black and white with you?

I think the, "Ruvell isn't going anywhere until his contract is up" left a fairly clear impression that you thought he was immune to being cut.

[RashanGary]

And for the record, I think Ruvell very well could be cut but wherever he ends up (here or there) I think we could see improvement from his game.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: New wrinkles you think we might see in 2009

I think we underestimate how much RM-AR's relationship factors into roster making decisions.

I think that will help RM stay around.

I tend to agree. No way does Martin get cut because he is A) doing PR work for the Packers as one of their ambassadors (along with Arod and Jennings) and B) supposedly one of Rodgers closest friends on the team.

What if he absoulely blows in camp? He is the #5 reciever. It doesn't matter what his relationship with Rodgers is or what he is doing for the Packers. If he blows in camp he's gone. Saying there's no way he gets cut is making a big assumption.

First of all, we have no idea if he's the #5 receiver in the coaches minds. Do we have a depth chart update since the beginning of last season? No.

Second of all, 5th receivers typically don't do PR work for a club unless they're pretty popular, good players. Ruvell isn't going anywhere until his contract is up.

3rd, just about any player who sucks it up in camp will be cut unless there is a huge long term cap ramification. You don't think they'd cut Jones if he "blows" in camp?!? What about Wells?!? Other than people who were recently paid and first and second year players, very few can get by without performing.

Hold the phones...Snake's no lawyer, but did you just contradict yourself?

Translation: Partial, you want your own cake, but want to eat it too?

[Partial]

I'm implying "no way does he get cut because he will perform". He's a good, solid player.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: New wrinkles you think we might see in 2009

Ruvell Martin is a great blocking receiver.

RM will not make the team. Jermichael Finley will develop as a red zone target.

Nice call!

[Scott Campbell]

Re: New wrinkles you think we might see in 2009

I think we underestimate how much RM-AR's relationship factors into roster making decisions.

I think that will help RM stay around.

I tend to agree. No way does Martin get cut because he is A) doing PR work for the Packers as one of their ambassadors (along with Arod and Jennings) and B) supposedly one of Rodgers closest friends on the team.

Mythbusters.