Surprising preseason rankings from Peter King

[cpk1994]

King tends to get caught up in hyperbole... Bears trade for Cutler, e.g. they must be SB contenders.

Don't think he really knows much about the game.

I agree with Wist. I guess I am going to hell now.

[pbmax]

King tends to get caught up in hyperbole... Bears trade for Cutler, e.g. they must be SB contenders.

Don't think he really knows much about the game.

The Winner! Forget Steve "The Homer" True, Peter King is the President of the Overeaction Club. Bear's will be better, but 12 wins means an awful lot of other things have to go well. I also don't buy those defensive stats he uses as definitive, but I haven't looked it up either, so I have no counter argument. My eyeballs did not believe they were watching a top ten defense last season while watching the Bears.

It was nice to see a Packer's fan come to the defense of the O Line, which has been playing much better in the last 2 years. They aren't the 2003 team yet, but its getting way better. If Rodgers pocket awareness increases, those sack totals will come down as well.

[StPaulPackFan]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

[Dabaddestbear]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

Credit given.

Now lets talk about the past 5-10 years.

[Dabaddestbear]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

[StPaulPackFan]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

You have to admit, Scott had a pretty clever comeback. I acknowledged it.

Since you set the parameters, the Packers are 92-68 over the past 10 years. Your beloved bears are 80-80. I guess the real question is how old are you?

[ThunderDan]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

Packers up 11-9

Last 15 years, 21-9

[Bossman641]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

Can you please state that to the rest of your Bear brethren so they will finally STFU about 1985? It was 24 years ago and most still talk like it happened yesterday.

[Packnut]

Re: Rankings

I would put the rankings as follows:
Minn
GB/Chicago push

Agreed. All 3 are equal right now. Really, IF you want to argue putting one team slightly ahead, it would be the Vikes with a proven run stop D and a proven run game.

Holy crap - I agree with Packnut!

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then............

[Dabaddestbear]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

You have to admit, Scott had a pretty clever comeback. I acknowledged it.

Since you set the parameters, the Packers are 92-68 over the past 10 years. Your beloved bears are 80-80. I guess the real question is how old are you?

I asked because what grown man or woman says "OWNED"?

And I said the last 10 years just so you guys can stop talking about the Past. Now in the even more recent years, past 5, the Bears are #2 in the NFC in wins. Now go ahead and dig that up, but I am sure you already did....

[Dabaddestbear]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

Can you please state that to the rest of your Bear brethren so they will finally STFU about 1985? It was 24 years ago and most still talk like it happened yesterday.

lol...when I speak on 85' I only get pissed about Payton not getting a TD.
You never can find a post on here where I ever bragged about 85. Now I will debate if they were the greatest SB team ever, but thats another story.

[StPaulPackFan]

I give credit where credit is due.

Then I'd like credit for 3 Lombardi Trophies, 12 world titles, and a general concession that the Packers have the superior NFL franchise.

DBB, can you say O-W-N-E-D?

Um, How old are you?
He stated things from the past, I suggest we live within the past 10 years at least.

You have to admit, Scott had a pretty clever comeback. I acknowledged it.

Since you set the parameters, the Packers are 92-68 over the past 10 years. Your beloved bears are 80-80. I guess the real question is how old are you?

I asked because what grown man or woman says "OWNED"?

And I said the last 10 years just so you guys can stop talking about the Past. Now in the even more recent years, past 5, the Bears are #2 in the NFC in wins. Now go ahead and dig that up, but I am sure you already did....

I'll say it again, you set the parameters, not me. I stated a fact that contradicted your arrogant statement. Now you conveniently change the parameters to fit your argument. Good job. At least you figured out how to use google before shooting off your mouth a second time.

BTW, maybe you shouldn't be asking what grown man or woman says "OWNED". Maybe you should be asking yourself why you spend so much time on a Packer forum.

[KYPack]

I asked because what grown man or woman says "OWNED"?

Snake would say "PWNED", which is the proper way to say it in Snakeville.

[pbmax]

I asked because what grown man or woman says "OWNED"?

Snake would say "PWNED", which is the proper way to say it in Snakeville.

I have never understood that, and I actually get quite a few internet memes, more than someone my age should get. I can't even guess how to say it.

[Fritz]

Let them hype the Bears. They deserve the additional pressure having gambled away so many picks this year.

They gave up two picks over 3 years. Yep thats really a whole lot.

The Bears gave up three picks in two years: first rounders in 2009 and 2010, and a third 2009. They also got back a five from Denver in 2009. Given how the Bears first round picks have turned out lately, you could argue they didn't lose very much in giving those picks to Denver.

Well the third doesnt count since it was actually traded for their 5th.

And I agree the Bears draft picks up that high has not been impressive, but overall as a drafter he has done much better than the Packers GM TT.

Let's compare their records since 2005 when TT became GM for the Packers. In that time Angelo's successful picks for the Bears have included Forte, Hester and Olsen. Am I forgetting any other obvious successes? Mark Anderson looked great his first year but seems to have regressed since then, but since he was a late round pick I guess we can include him. That's four. Thompson's clear successes include Jennings, Rodgers, Collins, Hawk. There are also a bunch who seem to have potential but aren't yet fully established: Colledge, Spitz (you could arguably call these two successes), Jones, Nelson, Jackson, Blackmon.

My take is that Thompson has had as good or better success ratio with his picks, and that his biggest advantage over Angelo is that he has consistently accumulated more picks--and thus a bigger, deeper group of young players ready to emerge. The Bears, by contrast, have an aging core group of players with relatively few good up and coming players (Cutler, Forte, maybe Olsen).

Ted Thompson has picked 43 players in his four drafts as general manager of the Green Bay Packers, and while 10 remain regular starters, only one – safety Nick Collins (a second-round pick in 2005) has made the Pro-Bowl.

A break down of TT picks.....courtesy of a buddy of mine.
Brett Swain (seventh round, 2008): Drafted to be a Wes Welker-type receiver but couldn’t catch the ball and spent last season on the practice squad.

Justin Harrell (first round, 2007): Perhaps Thompson’s worst pick. Defensive tackle taken 16th overall has played in just 13 games in two years largely due to injuries, which were a concern when he came out of college.

Brandon Jackson (second round, 2007): Decent third-down running back but hasn’t shown anything to make anyone think he can be a full-time, every-down back, which second-round picks should be.

Aaron Rouse (third round, 2007): Has made a few big plays but gives up way too many and has yet to challenge for the starting safety spot next to Collins.

Allen Barbre (fourth round, 2007): Went into training camp last season battling with Colledge for a starting guard spot but never provided much competition.

David Clowney (fifth round, 2007): Fifth rounders should at least make the team, but this receiver couldn’t. He’s with the Jets now but still hasn’t done anything.

Desmond Bishop (sixth round, 2007): Has been a contributor on special teams but hasn’t excelled in his few opportunities at linebacker.

DeShawn Wynn (seventh round, 2007): Production hasn’t been the problem (he has a 5.4-yard rushing average) but staying healthy has been.

Clark Harris (seventh round, 2007): Tight end spent less than two weeks on the practice squad as a rookie but eventually hooked on with the Texans as a long snapper.

A.J. Hawk (first round, 2006): Not a bad player but not what you’d expect from the fifth overall pick in the draft. If injuries were the problem last season, then still has a chance to be the impact player you’re supposed to get at the top of the draft.

Abdul Hodge (third round, 2006): Knee injuries derailed his career but he was an unproductive linebacker even before that. Caught on with the Bengals last season.

Cory Rodgers (fourth round, 2006): See David Clowney, only worse. The highest-picked player not to make the team under Thompson. Later played in the CFL.

Ingle Martin (fifth round, 2006): Third-stringer for a year who has since spent time on the Titans’ practice squad. Doesn’t look like an NFL starter.

Tony Moll (fifth round, 2006): Had several chances to win starting jobs at multiple positions on the offensive line but lost out every time.

Tyrone Culver (sixth round, 2006): Played on special teams as a rookie, spent 2007 on injured reserve and then was released.

Dave Tollefson (seventh round, 2006): Spent rookie season on the practice squad but eventually landed with the Giants in 2007 and played in Super Bowl XLII.
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Angelo's probowl players

Lance briggs charles tillman, nathan vasher tommie harris, devin hester, Alex Brown (probowl alternate)

ted thompsons:

nick collins

angelo record since teddy been in greenbay 40-26

teddy's record- 21-33

Angelo's done a better job both by wins( and w's are what matter, right?) or once again will the parmeter switch.. now that shows packers and terrible teddy in a bad light.

Coupla things...first of all that line about "the third doesn't count..." So you're saying that giving up the third round pick doesn't count as a cost for Cutler since it was merely exchanged for a fifth? Wow. I hope Thompson starts calling Angelo up, then. "Hey, Jerry, I'll give you my fifth next year for your third. I heard you did that with Denver."

As for that list of your buddy's....okay. Take any GM, ever. Let's go with Pioli/Belichek, shall we?

2005 - 7. (255) Andy Stokes, TE William & Penn, (170) Ryan Claridge, LB Nevada-Las Vegas

2006 - 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida - oooh, chad jackson. NE passed on Greg Jennings for this guy. 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

2007 - 6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.
7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State
8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

2008 - 3 31 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State

Man, New England sucks at drafting.