Gil Brandt's comments on Ted Thompson

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Not really. I absolutely think the Packers depth at receiver is equivalent. It's spectacular depth, any way you slice it.

Every team has a 1a and 1b? Right...

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent. Who is better? Fitz, Moss, Johnson, Smith, then who? TO? Not at 36. Marshall? I'd rather have Jennings. Johnson? More potential and probably will be better but isn't yet. Wayne? I really don't think so. I don't think it's unrealistic at all to have him as a top 5 receiver.

Driver is probably closer to 20 then 15, I'll give you that one. According to this list, though, he's top 15, and Jennings is top 10(I'd have ranked him higher myself).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/125010-the-top-10-nfl-receivers-2009#page/1

Bill Schroeder used to get a ton of yards. I don't equate yards with greatness how you do. Breston might be a great third receiver, but we have a few pretty good ones too. I don't care if he went over a grand. It's a product of the offense they run.

I'm not going to argue with you because if there is one person on this board who absolutely has to be right, it's you

Equivalent? How so? Not by any statistical measure. But, i know, when the facts dont' go your way you go back to partial anlysis.

Depth: Spectacular. LOL The facts are the facts. Their 3rd receiver had more yards and catches then our 3 and 4 combined.

Few: Packer homers supporting Jennngs. Shocking.

Better receivers: Moss, Ocho Cinco, A. Johnson, Welker, Fitz, Q, Steve Smith, Wayne, Marshall, Johnson, roddy white, etc. There are a ton of receivers that fans in each city could argue are as good as jennings...lee evans, antonio bryant, santana moss, vincent jackson, hines ward, mason,eddie royal, Housh, torry holt, marques colston, etc.

Of course, once again, facts can't get in the way of your analysis.....same analysis that proclaimed the greatness of morency. A guy NOBODY in the league picked up.

Who equated yards with greatness? Not i. I used numbers to examine productivity. Or, should we just go by your method...whatever you think is right? LOL

You say we have pr

And, of course you denigrate Breaston...result of offense they run. That is quite funny since Arod only passed for about 400 yards less than Warner.

We have pretty good ones? Based on what? Jones hasn't done shit. He actually regressed last year. Jordy, based on what? Your opinion. Urban had more yards. LOL

To ascribe value to players that haven't done it on the field is hilarious. At this point in time...both Jones and Jordy haven't even accomplished what backups on other teams do...guys like Devery Henderson, Billy miller, etc.

I dont' have to be right...but, am i on this one.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent.

Is yardage still overrated?

Very much so. By his numbers, Breaston looks like he could be a legit #1 somewhere Nevermind that he started a good chunk of games due to Bolden being out. Nevermind that they simply don't run the ball in the desert. Nevermind that he has a future HOF qb in Warner and two top 10 receivers on each side of him drawing double coverage. Silly facts. They just get in the way

Nobody is claiming you can infer starter by his numbers. Strictly speaking his numbers are better than our 3rd.

But, this is treading on borderline foolishness on your part. Yep, no gms look at backups and their productivity and try to figure out if they could start.

But, why are you disparaging his numbers cos he has 2 good WRs...when, according to you..our depth is spectacular. Should make it easier for ours to get numbers.

And, your logic is so poor. He got his numbers because he started...ok, first we shouldnt' think he could start...when infact what you and everybody else should know is that when he started..HE WAS PRODUCTIVE.

Lastly, dont' let facts get in your way.

Cards rushing: 340 attempts.
Packers: 437

That is essentially 5 more rushes per game.

But, following your logic..if the cards dont' rush, then defenses know it...then they scheme according...game plan to stop the pass.

That's right. It is always easier to pass or run when the other team knows you can only do one or the other.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I agree with Ty and his owning of Partial. One thing I have to add though is that Urbin sucks ass. He just does. I don't care what his stats are, other than 1 good catch I noticed in the Atlanta game all he did was pop the ball into the air for interceptions.

Who is Urbin?

Exactly

[Partial]

Not really. I absolutely think the Packers depth at receiver is equivalent. It's spectacular depth, any way you slice it.

Every team has a 1a and 1b? Right...

Few in here would debate that Jennings is a superstar and top 5 type talent. Who is better? Fitz, Moss, Johnson, Smith, then who? TO? Not at 36. Marshall? I'd rather have Jennings. Johnson? More potential and probably will be better but isn't yet. Wayne? I really don't think so. I don't think it's unrealistic at all to have him as a top 5 receiver.

Driver is probably closer to 20 then 15, I'll give you that one. According to this list, though, he's top 15, and Jennings is top 10(I'd have ranked him higher myself).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/125010-the-top-10-nfl-receivers-2009#page/1

Bill Schroeder used to get a ton of yards. I don't equate yards with greatness how you do. Breston might be a great third receiver, but we have a few pretty good ones too. I don't care if he went over a grand. It's a product of the offense they run.

I'm not going to argue with you because if there is one person on this board who absolutely has to be right, it's you

Equivalent? How so? Not by any statistical measure. But, i know, when the facts dont' go your way you go back to partial anlysis.

Depth: Spectacular. LOL The facts are the facts. Their 3rd receiver had more yards and catches then our 3 and 4 combined.

Few: Packer homers supporting Jennngs. Shocking.

Better receivers: Moss, Ocho Cinco, A. Johnson, Welker, Fitz, Q, Steve Smith, Wayne, Marshall, Johnson, roddy white, etc. There are a ton of receivers that fans in each city could argue are as good as jennings...lee evans, antonio bryant, santana moss, vincent jackson, hines ward, mason,eddie royal, Housh, torry holt, marques colston, etc.

Of course, once again, facts can't get in the way of your analysis.....same analysis that proclaimed the greatness of morency. A guy NOBODY in the league picked up.

Who equated yards with greatness? Not i. I used numbers to examine productivity. Or, should we just go by your method...whatever you think is right? LOL

You say we have pr

And, of course you denigrate Breaston...result of offense they run. That is quite funny since Arod only passed for about 400 yards less than Warner.

We have pretty good ones? Based on what? Jones hasn't done shit. He actually regressed last year. Jordy, based on what? Your opinion. Urban had more yards. LOL

To ascribe value to players that haven't done it on the field is hilarious. At this point in time...both Jones and Jordy haven't even accomplished what backups on other teams do...guys like Devery Henderson, Billy miller, etc.

I dont' have to be right...but, am i on this one.

You just said you're not equating talent to yards, yet there you go and did it again. You said your #3 had more yards than our #4 and #5 combined. Maybe thats because we're giving to ball to our solid TEs, backs, #5, etc. Clearly other people are getting the ball since A-Rod did only throw for 400 less yards. That basically proves my point about the quality of our depth.

Then, you list 21 receivers who are "better" than Jennings without providing any evidence or links, etc. LOL! I'm convinced since you told me! I can list a whole slew of players too. You might as well just throw your homeboy Darren McFadden on that list too!

Again, comparing Nelson with Urban using the yards comparison. You just said it yourself yards != talent.

Dude, learn how to argue my main man. Clearly there isn't any hard data either way besides misleading stats, so I'm going to bow out.

Out, and that little stat you wanted to say is only "5" rushes a game, is actually more than 6, and at Warner's average, that is nearly 800 yards passing in a year. Nice try, guy.

[channtheman]

I agree with Ty and his owning of Partial. One thing I have to add though is that Urbin sucks ass. He just does. I don't care what his stats are, other than 1 good catch I noticed in the Atlanta game all he did was pop the ball into the air for interceptions.

Who is Urbin?

A crappy wide receiver that Ty used in his argument for Arizona's depth at receivers.

[Packman_26]

I haven't ignored Warner. Warner is there with Rodgers, Ryan and even Hasselbeck. Warner and Rodgers I see as similar with Rodgers getting the edge due to age. Hasselbeck and company may prnounce him fine, but back injuries aren't that easy to get over.

I may make assumptions, but at least I don't change and amend my arguement everytime it gets shot down.

Why are you factoring in age at all? This isn't projecting who is going to be the best quarterback for the next 5 years. If so, you certainly have to start to examine Mannings age, etc.

The fact that you're accounting age in shows that you're speculating on the future versus what we've seen now.

Are you kidding? Any list that doesn't consider age is worthless. Is your list just a ranking of who has had the best career? And if that's the case, who cares? Brett Favre has surely had a better career than nearly all other active quarterbacks, does that make him one of the best quarterbacks in the league today? No.

I (and I would assume most others) really only care about the future. And in predicting the future you have to consider both how a player has previously performed and how much longer they will have the ability to play.

I guess the best way to put it is like this:
Who Detroit would rather have, Stafford or Rodgers? I would think the answer is clearly Rodgers. They are comparable in age, but Rodgers has shown (even if it’s just one year) the ability to put up big numbers in the NFL.

On the other hand, who would Detroit rather have: Brett Favre or Stafford? Favre has put up numbers that no quarterback has ever put up, but the pick would surely be Stafford. Favre's age leads one to believe that his skills are diminishing and that he will not play more than another year or two.

I think a better list of quarterbacks isn't really "who is better" but "who would you rather have". If I could pick from all quarterbacks in the league, Rodgers would have to be very high on the list. I would say top 5 and I don't think too many people could put him below 7 or 8.

[sharpe1027]

You just said you're not equating talent to yards, yet there you go and did it again. You said your #3 had more yards than our #4 and #5 combined. Maybe thats because we're giving to ball to our solid TEs, backs, #5, etc. Clearly other people are getting the ball since A-Rod did only throw for 400 less yards. That basically proves my point about the quality of our depth.

Then, you list 21 receivers who are "better" than Jennings without providing any evidence or links, etc. LOL! I'm convinced since you told me! I can list a whole slew of players too. You might as well just throw your homeboy Darren McFadden on that list too!

Again, comparing Nelson with Urban using the yards comparison. You just said it yourself yards != talent.

Dude, learn how to argue my main man. Clearly there isn't any hard data either way besides misleading stats, so I'm going to bow out.

Out, and that little stat you wanted to say is only "5" rushes a game, is actually more than 6, and at Warner's average, that is nearly 800 yards passing in a year. Nice try, guy.

Do you even care about having a discussion or is it all about proving yourself right and others wrong? Seems that everytime you get into this shit you completely lose sight of anything other than trying to come out the "winner." Whatever that may mean. Seriously, is 90% of what others have said baseless and wrong? Judging by your responses you seem to think so...

IDK, but maybe you should step away from the computer and take a deep cleansing breath everytime one of your "discussions" goes more than four pages.

[Fritz]

I agree with Ty and his owning of Partial. One thing I have to add though is that Urbin sucks ass. He just does. I don't care what his stats are, other than 1 good catch I noticed in the Atlanta game all he did was pop the ball into the air for interceptions.

Who is Urbin?

Exactly

His son in named Suburbin, and he has a brother named Ruril.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I agree with Ty and his owning of Partial. One thing I have to add though is that Urbin sucks ass. He just does. I don't care what his stats are, other than 1 good catch I noticed in the Atlanta game all he did was pop the ball into the air for interceptions.

Who is Urbin?

A crappy wide receiver that Ty used in his argument for Arizona's depth at receivers.

Actually, i didn't argue that. I used Urban to question the spectacular depth of the pack.

Our spectacular depth can't even match the crap of Urban.

[Zool]

His son in named Suburbin, and he has a brother named Ruril.

Sorry Fritz but I gotta boo this one and possibly throw a tomato.

[SnakeLH2006]

I may make assumptions, but at least I don't change and amend my arguement everytime it gets shot down.

I think that's a debatable point and that's why I entered this discussion.

Personally, I think you're a lot like Partial, just on the other side of the debate. Kind of like "anti-twins".

For the record, my ranking aren't that different than yours but I'd rank Rodgers down a few spots because I value past performance higher than "projections".

I have the same type of back trouble that Hasslebeck has, and if he's done what the docs say he should do, he will be fine this year. It will eventually drive him into retirement, but he can manage it for a while, certainly longer than this year with the availability of good trainers, doctors, and other personnel and medication. Don't count him out...

True that,but at least Partial likes some things. CPK hates all things. Anyone remember 16 months ago CPK throwing Favre, MM, Murphy, TT, and the entire Packer Org. under the bus? Yep, Snake does. CPK is and always wiil be a condencending hater. I don't care what he says now (not like ANYONE does anyway or ever did) you just hate CPK. Hater!!! Hate hate hate. Your logic sucks, as if you ain't 12 years old you sure act like it. At least I'd drink a beer with Partial at the Rat game, he's pretty cool compared to your childish rantings. I respect him, Partial cuz he has a passion for Packer football...all you do is diss EVERYTHING all the fucking time. I dare you to show up at the Rat Game. I will punch in the mouth when you identify yourself as that punk CPK, if I or many see you. Get off here. No one does/ever liked you or your shitty posts. You really, really suck way too much ass to spend so much time on here. Thanks. KBye.

[cpk1994]

I may make assumptions, but at least I don't change and amend my arguement everytime it gets shot down.

I think that's a debatable point and that's why I entered this discussion.

Personally, I think you're a lot like Partial, just on the other side of the debate. Kind of like "anti-twins".

For the record, my ranking aren't that different than yours but I'd rank Rodgers down a few spots because I value past performance higher than "projections".

I have the same type of back trouble that Hasslebeck has, and if he's done what the docs say he should do, he will be fine this year. It will eventually drive him into retirement, but he can manage it for a while, certainly longer than this year with the availability of good trainers, doctors, and other personnel and medication. Don't count him out...

True that,but at least Partial likes some things. CPK hates all things. Anyone remember 16 months ago CPK throwing Favre, MM, Murphy, TT, and the entire Packer Org. under the bus? Yep, Snake does. CPK is and always wiil be a condencending hater. I don't care what he says now (not like ANYONE does anyway or ever did) you just hate CPK. Hater!!! Hate hate hate. Your logic sucks, as if you ain't 12 years old you sure act like it. At least I'd drink a beer with Partial at the Rat game, he's pretty cool compared to your childish rantings. I respect him, Partial cuz he has a passion for Packer football...all you do is diss EVERYTHING all the fucking time. I dare you to show up at the Rat Game. I will punch in the mouth when you identify yourself as that punk CPK, if I or many see you. Get off here. No one does/ever liked you or your shitty posts. You really, really suck way too much ass to spend so much time on here. Thanks. KBye.

Looks like I have to make another exception and respond to this little jagoff. So here goes:

Don't you remember that I said that becuase I thought they were caving to the diva? You shjould also remember that when they held firm and didn't cave, I amitted I was wrong about M3 and TT and that they do stick to what they preach. But we can't have facts getting in the way of childish BS from a first class immature douchebag asshat who edits the content of my posts and purposely misrepresents me now can we? I woin't respond to the rest of your drivel becuase that would be dignifying someone with no class.

[mission]

I couldn't get past page 4 or 5 of the thread without continuing to ask myself the same question:

Is it TT's job to win football games?

I can understand it's fair to use the team's success as a factor in job performance evaluation but I'd have to think his real job is to handle personnel and putting the necessary people in place for success. It's MM's job to win football games and if he can't, then it's on TT for hiring him. Firing them together as if they're a tandem and work together all day is kneejerk.

Something as arbitrary as TT's job requires a lot of thought but I dread the day he's not in charge of the Packers and we have to deal with years of what's going on in Milwaukee. The grass is always greener, but in this case, we have one of the neighborhood's best lawns. [/i]

[The Shadow]

I couldn't get past page 4 or 5 of the thread without continuing to ask myself the same question:

Is it TT's job to win football games?

I can understand it's fair to use the team's success as a factor in job performance evaluation but I'd have to think his real job is to handle personnel and putting the necessary people in place for success. It's MM's job to win football games and if he can't, then it's on TT for hiring him. Firing them together as if they're a tandem and work together all day is kneejerk.

Something as arbitrary as TT's job requires a lot of thought but I dread the day he's not in charge of the Packers and we have to deal with years of what's going on in Milwaukee. The grass is always greener, but in this case, we have one of the neighborhood's best lawns. [/i]

Great post. Love the avator.

[pbmax]

I couldn't get past page 4 or 5 of the thread without continuing to ask myself the same question:

Is it TT's job to win football games?

Its his job. He is the Executive V.P., General Manager & Director of Football Operations and he has total authority over football matters. If the coach is failing, then its on his watch and under his authority. If the team doesn't win, eventually he will be shown the door.