Gil Brandt's comments on Ted Thompson

[Bretsky]

I couldn't get past page 4 or 5 of the thread without continuing to ask myself the same question:

Is it TT's job to win football games?

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YES IT IS

[Lurker64]

Is it TT's job to win football games?

No. It's TT's job to put together a team that's capable of lining up and beating anybody across the field from them. Actually winning the games is the responsibility of the coaches and players.

[Partial]

Is it TT's job to win football games?

No. It's TT's job to put together a team that's capable of lining up and beating anybody across the field from them. Actually winning the games is the responsibility of the coaches and players.

Which he is responsible for hiring. Ipso facto, it's his responsibility.

[MJZiggy]

Is it TT's job to win football games?

No. It's TT's job to put together a team that's capable of lining up and beating anybody across the field from them. Actually winning the games is the responsibility of the coaches and players.

Which he is responsible for hiring. Ipso facto, it's his responsibility.

What if he hires players and coaches that are perfectly capable of winning and due to injury or whatever reason they just don't. They're perfectly qualified and talented, but it just doesn't show up in the W column every week? Are you going to fire him and get someone less capable of putting qualified people on the football field?

BTW, nice post, mission.

[Bretsky]

TT is responsible to hiring a head coach and getting the players to win

He gets the ultimate credit or blame; it's his show

His job is to put the pieces together to win games, make the playoffs, and win titles.

[Bretsky]

Is it TT's job to win football games?

No. It's TT's job to put together a team that's capable of lining up and beating anybody across the field from them. Actually winning the games is the responsibility of the coaches and players.

Which he is responsible for hiring. Ipso facto, it's his responsibility.

What if he hires players and coaches that are perfectly capable of winning and due to injury or whatever reason they just don't. They're perfectly qualified and talented, but it just doesn't show up in the W column every week? Are you going to fire him and get someone less capable of putting qualified people on the football field?

BTW, nice post, mission.

spoken like a true apologist

TT's doing fine; nobody, I don't think, is throwing him under the bus

As much as you cherish TTT, if he's not capable to putting together the pieces to win games you can his ass and try to find somebody who might

Who said the new guy would be more or less qualified ??

If it's not a GM's job to win games then we should just hire a nice guy who's a loser. I hear Matt Millen is available

[MJZiggy]

I'm asking a question that could apply to any GM. Apply it to Matt Millen if you like. Did Millen draft good, capable players and hire talented coaches? Or did he lose his job because he sucked?

[mission]

I couldn't get past page 4 or 5 of the thread without continuing to ask myself the same question:

Is it TT's job to win football games?

Its his job. He is the Executive V.P., General Manager & Director of Football Operations and he has total authority over football matters. If the coach is failing, then its on his watch and under his authority. If the team doesn't win, eventually he will be shown the door.

That's like saying it's the Trip Planner's job to make sure you have a fun time on vacation.

Ultimately, that's part of their bottom line but the planner's job is to make all the arrangements, make sure you have the great hotel on the beach, make sure everything is lined up ... if your woman is on her rag all week, ya get the shits from the water and you get arrested for buying blow from a guy on the beach then that's really your fault.

If this happens over and over then maybe the trip planner is at fault and they aren't very good at their job ... then again, maybe it's just your old lady and diarrhea.

[Partial]

TT is responsible to hiring a head coach and getting the players to win

He gets the ultimate credit or blame; it's his show

His job is to put the pieces together to win games, make the playoffs, and win titles.

Agree 100%. He's judged on his results over time. Sure, they may have one awful year based on some anomaly. GMs aren't judged off of one year, Zig.

Based on what you're saying, who is to blame, then, when a team has a quality staff and good enough players yet underachieves?

[Bretsky]

TT is responsible to hiring a head coach and getting the players to win

He gets the ultimate credit or blame; it's his show

His job is to put the pieces together to win games, make the playoffs, and win titles.

Agree 100%. He's judged on his results over time. Sure, they may have one awful year based on some anomaly. GMs aren't judged off of one year, Zig.

Based on what you're saying, who is to blame, then, when a team has a quality staff and good enough players yet underachieves?

Luck I guess

[MJZiggy]

TT is responsible to hiring a head coach and getting the players to win

He gets the ultimate credit or blame; it's his show

His job is to put the pieces together to win games, make the playoffs, and win titles.

Agree 100%. He's judged on his results over time. Sure, they may have one awful year based on some anomaly. GMs aren't judged off of one year, Zig.

Based on what you're saying, who is to blame, then, when a team has a quality staff and good enough players yet underachieves?

File this under "no shit they're not judged on one year."

Has it ever occurred to you that no one might be to blame? If the team underachieves, I'd say that might be a coaching issue, but I'd also offer that each case needs to be looked at on an individual basis. If all the pieces are there, then the GM has done his job, no?

[woodbuck27]

It really doesnt matter what TT does here in GB, some people will never forgive him because of the whole Favre drama. TT is one of the top GMs in the league, anyone with half a brain can realize that. I don't really care what the anti-ted people think because those are the same guys who will be cheering for Favre to beat us as a Viking just to prove TT wrong. Those guys are NOT packer fans, they just have a man crushe on Favre.

BTW this is not a Favre bash, I just do not believe anyone is higher than the team no matter how good that player is, something some of you on this board just dont get.

One day I suspect we'll all know exactly how it got to TT going with Aaron Rodgers over a QB that was outstanding in 2007 (Brett Favre). That fact or the timing of that move aside. Aaron Rodgers played very well for a Rookie starting QB last season and I'm all for him succeeding moreso in 2009.

To describe or label anyone with the term 'hater' is to use a very strong and negative label. I take into question ' the lableler ' as being misguided, rather than the person labeled.

As Packer fans surely we all want the team to progress not fail or shine poorly on our GM or HC. TT has been at the helm for enough time to clearly expect results this year and certainly by next season. Results means a berth deep into the playoffs or moreso a Super Bowl appearance.

To address TT as the finest GM in the NFL is a matter of opinion and because it's Gil Brandt or not deeming him so doesn't make it so. It certainly rings up more credibility for TT as a fine GM. I hope 'in fact' we'll all be able to claim he is.

[mission]

It really doesnt matter what TT does here in GB, some people will never forgive him because of the whole Favre drama. TT is one of the top GMs in the league, anyone with half a brain can realize that. I don't really care what the anti-ted people think because those are the same guys who will be cheering for Favre to beat us as a Viking just to prove TT wrong. Those guys are NOT packer fans, they just have a man crushe on Favre.

BTW this is not a Favre bash, I just do not believe anyone is higher than the team no matter how good that player is, something some of you on this board just dont get.

One day I suspect we'll all know exactly how it got to TT going with Aaron Rodgers over a QB that was outstanding in 2007 (Brett Favre).

Most of us have it figured out already. Hopefully the "theorists" come around some day ... one day we'll know... you know, when the documentary comes out on why ARod started for the Packers last year. It's gonna be cool!

[pbmax]

I couldn't get past page 4 or 5 of the thread without continuing to ask myself the same question:

Is it TT's job to win football games?

Its his job. He is the Executive V.P., General Manager & Director of Football Operations and he has total authority over football matters. If the coach is failing, then its on his watch and under his authority. If the team doesn't win, eventually he will be shown the door.

That's like saying it's the Trip Planner's job to make sure you have a fun time on vacation.

Ultimately, that's part of their bottom line but the planner's job is to make all the arrangements, make sure you have the great hotel on the beach, make sure everything is lined up ... if your woman is on her rag all week, ya get the shits from the water and you get arrested for buying blow from a guy on the beach then that's really your fault.

If this happens over and over then maybe the trip planner is at fault and they aren't very good at their job ... then again, maybe it's just your old lady and diarrhea.

If the majority of the Trip Planner's clients do not have fun on their vacation, then guess what? Tripp Planner will eventually be updating that resume.

Ziggy makes a valid point, some seasons and certain stretches may be a better indication of the GMs performance than injury riddled seasons. But overall, he will be hired and fired based on wins and losses.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It really doesnt matter what TT does here in GB, some people will never forgive him because of the whole Favre drama. TT is one of the top GMs in the league, anyone with half a brain can realize that. I don't really care what the anti-ted people think because those are the same guys who will be cheering for Favre to beat us as a Viking just to prove TT wrong. Those guys are NOT packer fans, they just have a man crushe on Favre.

BTW this is not a Favre bash, I just do not believe anyone is higher than the team no matter how good that player is, something some of you on this board just dont get.

One day I suspect we'll all know exactly how it got to TT going with Aaron Rodgers over a QB that was outstanding in 2007 (Brett Favre).

Most of us have it figured out already. Hopefully the "theorists" come around some day ... one day we'll know... you know, when the documentary comes out on why ARod started for the Packers last year. It's gonna be cool!

I don't believe that TT got rid of Favre or went with Arod.

I saw another GM in the grassy knoll outside Lambeau the same day Favre arrived.