Gil Brandt's comments on Ted Thompson

[Bossman641]

oh my, i cant believe i cheer for the same team as you two...

what did I say that's incorrect? I'm not a huge fan of how TT is doing things but I'll give him this season to turn it around or I want him gone. I'm sure there are a lot more Packer fans that feel the same way.

Giving him a year? Seems like you have been on his ass for 3 years already.

It is the irrationality of the blind bitterness that comes across in your posts that is disconcerting. It is like people posting very negative things about Favre. Yes Brett did have some bad points, and some choose to be negative and dwell on them. But overall he was a great QB and a great Packer.

I'll break down my post for you:


Below .500 football during his run- yes, he is under .500 as an NFL GM. He did inherit an over paid team on the decline, but still under .500.. which is not good! I have seen other GM's build while still making the playoffs, having winning seasons ect...

some pretty good drafting and young players- a great thing about TT. Even though he might biffed on Harrell, hes made some great draft picks and got us some good young talent.

a brand new defensive scheme after the first one didnt work- Part of the GM's job is to get in a coach/coaching staff that does the job. Well he's already failed on the defensive side of the ball whether it was McCarthy's pick or not, does not matter.. cuz guess who hired McCarthy... TT! Now thats not saying this move right here wont work and it'll be the best thing for Packer football since good ole #4 was traded for but it could also be like the zone blocking scheme and suck balls

oh and ZERO superbowls... he has had 4 seasons now. Time is going against him. Like I said.. I'm a results guy and so far, there really hasnt been the results of this great plan he put in place. We've only made the playoffs ONE of his FOUR seasons here. That is NOT GOOD.

Like I said, if the NFC championship game was our high point and we struggle again this season.. time to move on and bring in someone who will do a better job.

Now if TT's plan works out and we start actually winning, then awesome... I'm happy. But don't put your friggin head in the sand and pretend like all is well in Packer land when its really not.

I guess that means that 29 NFL GMs need to be fired using that logic of the last 4 years.

Ok ThunderDan... then how many years are you going to give him? How many years of non winning Green Bay football are u going to go through before you say enough is enough. Hell I'm not to that point yet, but if this years not a winner and I'm talking 10+ wins with a real run at winning a super bowl, then your damn right I'm sick of TT.

Wait

So this has been you being patient and understanding with TT? I can't wait to see your posts in the future then if the Packers struggle this year.

[Pacopete4]

Ok ThunderDan... then how many years are you going to give him? How many years of non winning Green Bay football are u going to go through before you say enough is enough. Hell I'm not to that point yet, but if this years not a winner and I'm talking 10+ wins with a real run at winning a super bowl, then your damn right I'm sick of TT.

You are already damn sick of him.

We go:
4-12
8-8
13-3
6-10

2005 was a complete rebuilding year. We finally have the group of core players to make a run. I think 2008 was the abberation. I think the next two years tells us if TT is taking us the right direction.

So IF this season goes to waste like last years, what excuse will you be making? Will it be injuries.. TT not having enough time.. Rodgers still learning... new coaches... what will it be?

I'm hoping TT knows what the fuck hes doing cuz it hasnt been a pretty road so far. Thank god the pack caught fire with Favre in 07 or we'd be a complete fuckin joke right now.. THAT is the only leg TT has to stand on right now.. thats it.

[Bossman641]

Ok ThunderDan... then how many years are you going to give him? How many years of non winning Green Bay football are u going to go through before you say enough is enough. Hell I'm not to that point yet, but if this years not a winner and I'm talking 10+ wins with a real run at winning a super bowl, then your damn right I'm sick of TT.

You are already damn sick of him.

We go:
4-12
8-8
13-3
6-10

2005 was a complete rebuilding year. We finally have the group of core players to make a run. I think 2008 was the abberation. I think the next two years tells us if TT is taking us the right direction.

So IF this season goes to waste like last years, what excuse will you be making? Will it be injuries.. TT not having enough time.. Rodgers still learning... new coaches... what will it be?

I'm hoping TT knows what the fuck hes doing cuz it hasnt been a pretty road so far. Thank god the pack caught fire in 07 with a complete team effort (offense, defense, ST) or we'd be a complete fuckin joke right now.. THAT is the only leg TT has to stand on right now.. thats it.

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[Pacopete4]

Ok ThunderDan... then how many years are you going to give him? How many years of non winning Green Bay football are u going to go through before you say enough is enough. Hell I'm not to that point yet, but if this years not a winner and I'm talking 10+ wins with a real run at winning a super bowl, then your damn right I'm sick of TT.

You are already damn sick of him.

We go:
4-12
8-8
13-3
6-10

2005 was a complete rebuilding year. We finally have the group of core players to make a run. I think 2008 was the abberation. I think the next two years tells us if TT is taking us the right direction.

So IF this season goes to waste like last years, what excuse will you be making? Will it be injuries.. TT not having enough time.. Rodgers still learning... new coaches... what will it be?

I'm hoping TT knows what the fuck hes doing cuz it hasnt been a pretty road so far. Thank god the pack caught fire in 07 with Favre or we'd be a complete fuckin joke right now.. THAT is the only leg TT has to stand on right now.. thats it.

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[The Leaper]

Thompson is an excellent evaluator of talent. He really hasn't made a terrible draft choice in his time in Green Bay. Sure, he has made some that didn't pan out...but he doesn't have any BJ Sander type pickups where any bum off the street could've made a better pick.

That said...Thompson hasn't proven he can make the kind of acquisitions to put a team over the top, like a Ron Wolf could. I'm not sure he would be my #1 choice as a GM right now...but he'd certainly have a strong argument to be in the top 5.

[Partial]

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Having said the complete team effort, it raises a very valid point. Take that season out of the equation (it's a statistical anomaly to this point) and Teets record is pretty damn bad. I'm with Harv on the two seasons to prove himself left. The Pack is a patient organization.

[Pacopete4]

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Having said the complete team effort, it raises a very valid point. Take that season out of the equation (it's a statistical anomaly to this point) and Teets record is pretty damn bad. I'm with Harv on the two seasons to prove himself left. The Pack is a patient organization.

He will buy himself another year just by having a mediocre year this season.

[Bossman641]

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Having said the complete team effort, it raises a very valid point. Take that season out of the equation (it's a statistical anomaly to this point) and Teets record is pretty damn bad. I'm with Harv on the two seasons to prove himself left. The Pack is a patient organization.

If 13-3 is an anomaly I'd argue 4-12 is as well. What does that leave us with? A team that went 14-18 in two seasons.

I'm right with you on TT having 2 years left to prove himself. After that, if they don't improve as I think they will I'll be right there alongside Pacopete.

[ThunderDan]

So IF this season goes to waste like last years, what excuse will you be making? Will it be injuries.. TT not having enough time.. Rodgers still learning... new coaches... what will it be?

I'll wait until the end of the year and then I will evaluate what I saw and make my conclusions.

Like the Studs & Duds column I wrote for PackerRats, I call it as I see it. If I think someone deserves props I give them if they don't I don't.

Oh...as well as Favre played in 2007 and he was damn good. It sure helps when your have the 6th best scoring defense at 18.2 ppg.

[ThunderDan]

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Having said the complete team effort, it raises a very valid point. Take that season out of the equation (it's a statistical anomaly to this point) and Teets record is pretty damn bad. I'm with Harv on the two seasons to prove himself left. The Pack is a patient organization.

Sorry Partial but when you only have 4 data points its damn hard to throw one out.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Gil Brandt's comments on Ted Thompson

TT hasn't led the Packers to the Super Bowl and won it every year, time to go. Never mind the foundation that he is laying down for the Packers to be a very good team in the long run.

In which year will you say ok, thats enough..

When Gil Brandt says that Ted doesn't have it anymore.

[Bretsky]

I have to say, I trust Gil Brandt's ability to evaluate general managers more than I trust the ability of anybody here.

Gil Brandt knows football.

that old washed up geezer ?

[Scott Campbell]

I have to say, I trust Gil Brandt's ability to evaluate general managers more than I trust the ability of anybody here.

Gil Brandt knows football.

that old washed up geezer ?

Leave it to Bretsky to bring Favre into this.

[BF4MVP]

I don't think thats an accurate assessment at all. One would have a very difficult time ranking Rodgers as a blue chipper. Jennings is without a doubt a blue chipper. Best player on the team by far.

Why would one have a difficult time ranking Rodgers as a Blue Chipper? All he did was throw for over 4,000 yards with 32 total touchdowns and 13 INTs...

People constantly underestimate how good a season he had. Wins and losses are a team effort. The team had a bad season. The defense in particular had a terrible season as evidenced by the decision to fire just about all of the coaches and change the scheme. Stats are the best way to judge an individual player's performance, and Rodgers' are right up there with just about anyone's....

I wouldn't call Jennings "the team's best player by far." I would say Rodgers is the team's best player, but it's close. Yes, I know I'm in the minority.

[Bretsky]

[quote="BF4MVP"]

I would call Jennings the team's best player by far. I would say Rodgers is the team's best player, but it's close. Yes, I know I'm in the minority.

I'm confused; so which one is the best player again