Favorite duds and disappointments

[Gunakor]

Has TT ever delivered anything close to Sherman's worst 3rd round pick?

How about Cory Rodgers? Tho' I think he was a 4th? But terrible, notwithstanding.

Worse than BJ Sander? I didn't think it got any worse than that. I'd expect my 6th or 7th round punter to do better. We had to carry 2 punters. It was embarrassing.

[cpk1994]

Has TT ever delivered anything close to Sherman's worst 3rd round pick?

How about Cory Rodgers? Tho' I think he was a 4th? But terrible, notwithstanding.

Worse than BJ Sander? I didn't think it got any worse than that. I'd expect my 6th or 7th round punter to do better. We had to carry 2 punters. It was embarrassing.

We didn't have to carry two punters. We did becuase Mike Sherman thought someone would take Sander if he put him on the practice squad. Sherman was afraid thatA punter that had a gross average of sub 20 yards would be taken by someone else. This perfectly illustrated just how incompetent Sherman was. He couldn't even admit he made a mistake.

[Bretsky]

R-Cal Truluck was a horrible trade and a colossial dud no mwtter who the GM was. Perspective was very crydtal clear on that one.

You are missing the point. The point was you spent so much time "bashing" others I didn't even "see" you had an opinion. (You typically don't).

Now, about your opinion.

As I recall, we obtained Truluck with 5th and 6th round picks at a position of NEED. (Pass rusher). We got him with picks from Oakland for Marques Anderson, so they weren't really "our" picks. (though picking draft picks would probably have been better....)

Truluck had his best season as a pro in 2003 registering 5 sacks in a part time role with Kansas City. He was young, and inexperienced with that "tangible upside" you seem to value so much.

Did it work out? Nope. Does it look silly today? Sure, with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, there was legitimate possibility...

I remember being a little bit giddy about Truluck when that move was made. He did look okay when playing for the Chiefs the year before, so I was happy with the move.

Even considering hindsight, you have to remember who was drafting for us at the time. There's no guarantee Sherman's 5th and 6th round draft picks would be any better either.

Nothing is guaranteed

But just a thought

Has TTT ever delivered anything close to Mike Sherman's best 5th round draft choice ?

Mike Sherman hasn't delivered anything better than Mike Sherman's best 5th round draft choice either. And I forgot about Hunter Hillenmeyer, also drafted in the 5th round. Okay, you win, maybe Shermy had a little success there.

Ole Teddy's still got him beat in the first 4 rounds though. Has TT ever delivered anything close to Sherman's worst 3rd round pick?

Hey this is a fun game; you win there

Has Sherman ever delivered anything close to TTT's worse 4th round pick ??

[ThunderDan]

I was sure Darrell Thompson was going to be all world.

[DannoMac21]

I was also a huge Roell Preston fan. I have his jersey. I don't know why.

Hahah, that is funny. Custom ordered?

Surprisingly no. A sports store at a mall here in Milwaukee had it at the time.

[Fritz]

Ah yes, Frankie Neal...promising player who showed up at training camp his 2nd year about 20 pounds overweight. He said his problem with Green Bay was "I'm a ladies man, and there aren't any ladies in Green Bay."

Ty is similar to Frankie, cept that he is happy when there aren't any ladies.

Ty prefers his women fast, loose, and easy.

I was thinking the same thing, Ty. Frankie's problem was that there probably are a lot of ladies in Green Bay and thereabots (I believe some of those ladies are on Packerrats). From some of the stories that have been posted here in other threads about Favre's hijinks with Winters and Chmura, sounds like ol' Frankie might've found what he was looking for if he'd hung around with those guys...

[Gunakor]

Mike Sherman hasn't delivered anything better than Mike Sherman's best 5th round draft choice either. And I forgot about Hunter Hillenmeyer, also drafted in the 5th round. Okay, you win, maybe Shermy had a little success there.

Ole Teddy's still got him beat in the first 4 rounds though. Has TT ever delivered anything close to Sherman's worst 3rd round pick?

Hey this is a fun game; you win there

Has Sherman ever delivered anything close to TTT's worse 4th round pick ??

That's tough, because Sherman didn't draft a whole lot of players in the 4th round during his tenure here. Too many times he traded that pick away to move up. I suppose it depends on how you feel about Marques Anderson being taken in the 3rd. Yeah, he made it through camp years ago, but almost certainly wouldn't this year because he wasn't a very good player. Hooray for 3rd round failure. Sherman was good at that, probably his trademark quality as our GM.

[oregonpackfan]

As for stinking it up, one name sticks with me from my childhood: Mark Lee. From what I remember, he was always in position to make interceptions, but he couldn't catch a cold. I remember my dad calling him Mark "Hands of Stone" Lee. In reality he probably wasn't as bad as I remember but my those memories of my dad yelling at him through the TV are priceless.[/quote]

I don't agree with your Dad's view of Mark Lee. He was one of the better players on the Packers' defensive unit during he time he played. He was also a respected team leader. I remember coach Bart Starr having him as a guest on his weekly show.

[Freak Out]

As for stinking it up, one name sticks with me from my childhood: Mark Lee. From what I remember, he was always in position to make interceptions, but he couldn't catch a cold. I remember my dad calling him Mark "Hands of Stone" Lee. In reality he probably wasn't as bad as I remember but my those memories of my dad yelling at him through the TV are priceless.

I don't agree with your Dad's view of Mark Lee. He was one of the better players on the Packers' defensive unit during he time he played. He was also a respected team leader. I remember coach Bart Starr having him as a guest on his weekly show.[/quote]

He was the one with the shaved head correct? I have his rookie card.

Speaking of cards...anyone want a few sheets of Packer trading cards from the 80s to add to the kids collection?

[K-town]

Estus Hood.
Bob Hudson.
Randy Scott.
Barry Smith.
Ollie Smith.
Dave Davis.
Jim Carter.
John Jefferson.

[cpk1994]

Estus Hood.
Bob Hudson.
Randy Scott.
Barry Smith.
Ollie Smith.
Dave Davis.
Jim Carter.
John Jefferson.

I gotta say that the treatment Jim Carter got from the fans was absolie BS. Sad, really.

[Chevelle2]

Tyrone Davis.

[StPaulPackFan]

As for stinking it up, one name sticks with me from my childhood: Mark Lee. From what I remember, he was always in position to make interceptions, but he couldn't catch a cold. I remember my dad calling him Mark "Hands of Stone" Lee. In reality he probably wasn't as bad as I remember but my those memories of my dad yelling at him through the TV are priceless.

I don't agree with your Dad's view of Mark Lee. He was one of the better players on the Packers' defensive unit during he time he played. He was also a respected team leader. I remember coach Bart Starr having him as a guest on his weekly show.

You may be right. Mark Lee did have very good statistical years in 1981 & 1986, although nearly half of his career interception total came in those two years alone. I think that was where my dad and I had problems. He appeared to have the talent to be a shutdown corner but for most of his career he was merely average. It was 20+ years ago so my memory may be a bit fuzzy, but I don't remember too many QB's being afraid to throw in his direction. I also remember numerous times where he was in perfect position to make an INT but dropped the ball. After your response I looked back on his career stats. I was actually surprised by his totals in 1981 and 1986 but the fact that he recorded 2 or less interceptions in 7 of his 12 years in the NFL supports my dad's "Stone Hands" assertion.

He was certainly not a bust but I remember being frustrated, along with my dad, at his inability to make what appeared to be easy INTs.

[StPaulPackFan]

As for stinking it up, one name sticks with me from my childhood: Mark Lee. From what I remember, he was always in position to make interceptions, but he couldn't catch a cold. I remember my dad calling him Mark "Hands of Stone" Lee. In reality he probably wasn't as bad as I remember but my those memories of my dad yelling at him through the TV are priceless.

I don't agree with your Dad's view of Mark Lee. He was one of the better players on the Packers' defensive unit during he time he played. He was also a respected team leader. I remember coach Bart Starr having him as a guest on his weekly show.

He was the one with the shaved head correct? I have his rookie card.

Speaking of cards...anyone want a few sheets of Packer trading cards from the 80s to add to the kids collection?

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of #37 Mark Murphy. He was a darn good hitter.

[Freak Out]

As for stinking it up, one name sticks with me from my childhood: Mark Lee. From what I remember, he was always in position to make interceptions, but he couldn't catch a cold. I remember my dad calling him Mark "Hands of Stone" Lee. In reality he probably wasn't as bad as I remember but my those memories of my dad yelling at him through the TV are priceless.

I don't agree with your Dad's view of Mark Lee. He was one of the better players on the Packers' defensive unit during he time he played. He was also a respected team leader. I remember coach Bart Starr having him as a guest on his weekly show.

He was the one with the shaved head correct? I have his rookie card.

Speaking of cards...anyone want a few sheets of Packer trading cards from the 80s to add to the kids collection?

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of #37 Mark Murphy. He was a darn good hitter.

That's the guy.