Favre and the Hall of Fame: What's Your Reaction?

[Bossman641]

The Packers forced him to make a decision. They pressured him into it. Knowing they have Rodgers there anyway, what was the rush?

We're back to whose side of the story you want to believe. I don't remember the exact details and I don't feel like searching for them now, but in the version I choose to believe TT and MM didn't pressure Favre and even told him to take more time to think when he said he wanted to retire.

White retired from the Pack and came back w/ Carolina. No bitter divorce.

I don't remember how the White return went down, if he was still under contract with the Packers when he returned to Carolina or not.

Jordan had a very bitter divorce and his retirement was the reason the team was dismantled, not the other way around.

Sorry, but you are dead wrong here. That Bulls season was the farewell tour, and everyone knew it. Krause and Jackson hated one another. Krause had signed Jackson to only a one year deal the summer before and flat out said at the time there was no way Jackson would be coming back after that. Pippen mentioned during the season how he wanted to be traded. The only person I don't remember what they did with was Rodman, if they tried to resign him during the year or offseason at all.

From Wiki

Krause and head coach Phil Jackson had been friends for years, but their relationship was, in Jackson's opinion, shattered early in the 1990s after Chicago Tribune reporter Sam Smith published a book on the 1991 title team, The Jordan Rules. The book detailed the tension that already existed between Krause and the players, and ultimately drove a wedge between Krause and Jackson.[12] Regardless of the success Jackson had as head coach of the Bulls, the tension between Jackson and Krause grew in the succeeding years, and by the 1997–98 season, was especially illustrated by the following incidents:

During the summer of 1997, Krause's stepdaughter got married. All of the Bulls assistant coaches and their wives were invited to the wedding, as was Tim Floyd, then the head coach at Iowa State, whom Krause was openly courting as Jackson's successor (and who would eventually succeed Jackson). Jackson and his wife at the time, June, were not even told of the wedding, much less invited, only finding out about the event when the wife of Cartwright, who by that time had become a Bulls assistant, asked June what she would be wearing to the reception.[13]
After contentious negotiations between Jackson and the Bulls in that same period, Jackson was signed for the 1997-98 season only. Krause announced the signing in what Chicago media widely considered to be a mean-spirited manner, emphasizing that Jackson would not be rehired even if the Bulls won the 1997–98 title. That triggered an argument between Jackson and Krause in which Jackson essentially told Krause that he seemed to be rooting for the other side and not the Bulls. At that point, Krause told Jackson, "I don't care if it's 82-and-0 this year, you're fucking gone."[14]
Krause publicly portrayed Jackson as a two-faced character who had very little regard for his assistant coaches, a perception that certain Krause associates in the Bulls organization had sought to spread about Jackson. At the height of the hard feelings in the spring of 1998, one of Krause's scouts went to press row in Chicago's United Center to explain to a reporter the insidious nature of Jackson's ego (excerpt from the Phil Jackson biography Mindgames).
The 1998 season was labeled the "Last Dance" after several key members of the Bulls faced free agency in the upcoming season.[citation needed] Pippen, who had long desired a massive contract extension after years of being underpaid, criticized Krause and threatened to leave following the season

I agree with you on the points below this. I think it's a shitty way to treat a veteran player, though.

There is a story on Yahoo right now how Brady no-showed at the Pats camp (I recognize he's injured). He's been working out at facilities at other times during the off-season, yet he skipped OTAs.

Chris Simms is skipping OTAs. Jay Cutler is too. Adrian Wilson as well. Jared Allen as well. Urlacher too.

Look up Jonathan Ogden skipping OTAs, Strahan most of camp as well. Why does it matter if they're a QB?!? They're all veteran, HOF players who know the game inside and out and have delivered year after year despite missing OTAs.

Lots of players skip OTAs. Is Nick Collins a bad person and teammate for skipping OTAs? Chuck? Harris? Clifton? It's a vet thing.

There's nothing wrong with skipping OTA's as long as the coach and player have an agreement in place. The problem is when the player no longer realizes that he is being granted a privilege and instead thinks it is his right. Favre crossed that line.

Cutler was at the Bear OTA. Where'd you hear otherwise?

[BZnDallas]

He was paid fair market value. Money is absolutely irrelevant. If you had 100 million do you really think you'd care about the next 10 or 20?

This is the last time I'm going to say this to you. HE QUIT. He wasn't forced out. No one fired him. He wasn't cut. No one could possibly have forced him to make a decision. All he had to do was not retire and all this BS never happens.

Right, but you can quit your job and get another one. You can't in the NFL. They wouldn't let him compete for the starting job imo, but thats up for debate. With that said, he was essentially told he has to sit in meetings and record minutes all day, or sit at home and not work, since they wouldn't let him work for anyone else (until they caved and agreed to trade him)

what about being a coach?... what about an announcer?... the packers didn't say he couldn't earn a paycheck in other ways from the NFL... what about a greeter at walmart?...

[th87]

Here's what I posted some time back:

I decided to go back and watch:

1. Favre's retirement PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kACbVGsWN74

2. Favre's interview on Letterman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjLZCtlVu64

3. Favre's interview with Greta:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBc2aHH943U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRRXTdZfJ90

In light of what we know today, it is very interesting to see what was said. Certain sentences seem to have a lot more meaning today than they did then.

My take is that Favre is a sincere person, and EXTREMELY emotional, where those emotions may get in the way of better judgment from time to time.

When he retired, he looked very sincere in doing so. It did not look like he was forced into a decision, or forced to step down, or urged in that direction by TT. Not only did he say so, I saw a man, who, at the time was done with football. He wanted out, and was saying goodbye to the game and the fans. The retirement seemed 100% genuine and authentic.

The Letterman interview was interesting. To paraphrase: "By the time training camp comes around, something's bound to happen." The way he delivered it, it seems like this concept was on his mind, and gave a little "Oh whoops!" type grin. This tells me that he was definitely thinking about a comeback, but it hadn't materialized yet in his mind, so there was no use dwelling on it.

Between that point, and the Van Susteren interview, things began to snowball. Rumors flew that he wanted to come back, and Favre sent text messages denying this.

Then the Susteren interview. It is here where Favre lost many, many points in my book. He alleges that TT and MM wanted a decision from him before he was technically ready. But based on what I said above about the retirement speech, I have trouble buying this assertion. He looked completely done, and thought it over in his head. What do indecisive people generally do? Do they make a hasty decision, or do they go back and forth, and then finally come to a decision? I don't believe a "thinker" like Favre would choose to make that big of a decision in his life without being sure about it.

But let's assume he's telling the truth. That he was forced to make a decision before he was ready. What was his reason for not making the Packers wait on him? That he didn't want to be a disruption? That's what he insinuated. But then isn't going on Greta and demanding a release MUCH MORE of a disruption? It just doesn't add up.

He also said that MM said he would've let him wait until training camp. So then why not just ask for more time? He said that they talked every week. If they're that close, then what would stop Favre from requesting a little bit more time? Is their communication that bad that this simple request could be denied? I don't buy that either.

And what was so wrong with being a backup? He skipped the entire off-season planning session after he retired. They'd changed some things. Why is that so insulting? He could've come back, gotten up to speed, and if the team deemed it advantageous, he could've been elevated to starter. But instead, he was hell bent on leaving. And why was competing for a starting spot such a disgusting concept?

So in sum, I think Favre sincerely retired, but began to miss the game. He was confused as to how to proceed, and let Bus Cook turn the Packers into his enemy by feeding his emotional brain with rhetoric, which turned him from Anakin into a mini Darth Vader. We'd never seen that level of animosity prior to the events of this summer.
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Lots of holes in Favre's stories.

[SnakeLH2006]

Partial you also conveniently left out the Packers' retirement gift or merchandising offer or whatever the hell it was called. I can't even remember how much it was for now. *EDIT 20 million*

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

I see what Partial is getting at. Snake worked/works at his job for the last 8 plus years. Was the man no matter what and still is, yet they hire guys to do my job and Snake still out-perform those clowns. Do I perform at the god-like rate when I got hired?...maybe not, but still almost at that level. My management sucks, else I would. Regardless I could, but the lack of support from the GM for all his favorites for petty shit, eggs Snake. He knows I can do and almost do twice the job of all those peons, yet still want to hear that I'm the man. Don't hear it, so hell ya, I put off my best. Still better than all, but without support of the top GM, I say fuck him. So I kinda feel what Brett went through last year. Many here have it cut and dry that Favre is an Anti-Christ, but this is about this year, but hey, look ahead 5 years. Will you support him then? That is all this poll/topic is about.

Besides...he'll get that merchandising deal no matter what unless he's goes OJ and murders someone. Even then, he's got the blessing of everyone in the media. $20 million for Brett. Peanuts. He don't care about the money.

seems like a bit of a silly poll - of course he's a hall of famer. Ty Cobb is a hall of famer and he was a notorious ass hat. Heck, Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame.

Brett Favre is a guy weighted down in a morass of pride, uncertainty, and brittleness. That wouldn't get anyone left out of the hall of fame. Well, maybe Jack Morris. But he treated the media badly and is being punished for it.

Fritz for an old bastard...you my homey. But no, this was not a Q if? Brett is 110% lock for HOF. The question was with all the derision lately, would you support him? That sir, is the Q?
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Why all the hate on Partial? This is an open forum with a solid question WILL YOU SUPPORT BRETT AT HIS HOF INDUCTION? No? Everyone has a view on here, but damn, it comes down to little pity arguments about Brett's character.

If you hate him, then damn, vote hell no I won't support him. It's that easy. Snake woulda hated to be in Brett's shoes in 2008 with Arod's uprising (love Arod though) but he was in a no-win fucking situation if he wanted to play. That shit would suck. Yes, Brett has been pretty petty, but I thought this poll would give peeps a chance to say once an for all if they will support him at 2015 at his HOF induction or not. Instead, it turns into a bashing for those that think Brett got fucked. I kinda see that a bit, but Brett didn't do it the right way, and that's how the ball bounces.

But regardless, I still support him for all the things that made us a national powerhouse for 15 years, and even now at 6-10. WE ARE ON THE MAP BECAUSE OF BRETT, even if some can't admit it. Stop the nitpicking and get over it. Vote your choice and quit hounding those that see it a different way. Jesus already.

[gex]

Now those last 2 posts are what coming here to PR is all about, good reading and no hating or bashing. Good reading.

[cpk1994]

Do you routinely go in to work voluntarily when you don't have to when you won't get paid for putting in the extra time? If the answer is No, once again you're no better of a person than Brett Favre.

Partial, Favre has a problem showing up for mandatory work, even when he IS getting paid for it. You know, minicamps, OTA's, etc. I may not have put in as much voluntary work as Favre has, but I've always shown up for the mandatory stuff in life. And I don't get paid millions of dollars to do it. Using this example specifically, I don't see how this makes Favre a better person than I.

What mandatory stuff has he missed? You mean like playing in every game?!?

You know, minicamps, OTA's, etc.

He was given off by a coach for minicamp. Would you go in to work on Memorial day if your boss gave you off? OTAs are optional. Chuck Woodson did them for the first time in his career last year, yet he never gets flamed for it. I think it's pretty unfair to judge a guy for not going to optional work.

I think your memory is hazy. Woodson DID get flamed for skipping OTA's. Right after he signed people here were crucifying him fot not getting up to speed with his teamates the right away. Or did you conviently forget this?

[ThunderDan]

He was paid fair market value. Money is absolutely irrelevant. If you had 100 million do you really think you'd care about the next 10 or 20?

This is the last time I'm going to say this to you. HE QUIT. He wasn't forced out. No one fired him. He wasn't cut. No one could possibly have forced him to make a decision. All he had to do was not retire and all this BS never happens.

Right, but you can quit your job and get another one. You can't in the NFL. They wouldn't let him compete for the starting job imo, but thats up for debate. With that said, he was essentially told he has to sit in meetings and record minutes all day, or sit at home and not work, since they wouldn't let him work for anyone else (until they caved and agreed to trade him)

He could have gone back to Green Bay shut his yap and made $10,000,000 sitting on the bench. They have always said the best job in the NFL is to be the 3rd string QB. Sit there with a clipboard recording information getting paid a cool $750,000. Favre could have done it for 10 M.

GB would have then moved him to another team like they did. It would have been the same outcome without the media circus.

[ThunderDan]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

[retailguy]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

I don't believe that was ever on the radar. Favre wants to play. I think it is about the consecutive games streak. I think that's 90% of the motiviation. A small part is to rub it in Ted's eye. Who cares about that? Didn't all of us want to "tell" an old boss they were wrong?

He's close to Bruce Matthews record. I think that's what is really important to Brett Favre.

[ThunderDan]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

I don't believe that was ever on the radar. Favre wants to play. I think it is about the consecutive games streak. I think that's 90% of the motiviation. A small part is to rub it in Ted's eye. Who cares about that? Didn't all of us want to "tell" an old boss they were wrong?

He's close to Bruce Matthews record. I think that's what is really important to Brett Favre.

What was on the radar? Would you rather make $20 M doing PR or $20 M getting hammered by 300 lbs linemen?

[retailguy]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

I don't believe that was ever on the radar. Favre wants to play. I think it is about the consecutive games streak. I think that's 90% of the motiviation. A small part is to rub it in Ted's eye. Who cares about that? Didn't all of us want to "tell" an old boss they were wrong?

He's close to Bruce Matthews record. I think that's what is really important to Brett Favre.

What was on the radar? Would you rather make $20 M doing PR or $20 M getting hammered by 300 lbs linemen?

It isn't about me, Dan. Clearly I'd want the 20 mil. It's about Favre. I also think that's clear as well. He doesn't want the 20 mil right now. He wants the all time consecutive game streak.

[ThunderDan]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

I don't believe that was ever on the radar. Favre wants to play. I think it is about the consecutive games streak. I think that's 90% of the motiviation. A small part is to rub it in Ted's eye. Who cares about that? Didn't all of us want to "tell" an old boss they were wrong?

He's close to Bruce Matthews record. I think that's what is really important to Brett Favre.

What was on the radar? Would you rather make $20 M doing PR or $20 M getting hammered by 300 lbs linemen?

It isn't about me, Dan. Clearly I'd want the 20 mil. It's about Favre. I also think that's clear as well. He doesn't want the 20 mil right now. He wants the all time consecutive game streak.

You get the $20 M either way!

That was Snake's point. He could get the same $20 M by playing for the Jets last year and the Vikings this year or take the marketing deal.

[retailguy]

Definitely not trying to side with Partial or fuel the fire, but shit, Brett makes that "mere" $20 Million "after his "retirement" last year with his $12 million with the Jets in 2008 and at least $8 million with the Vikes when he comes back. That offer was/is piddly when you see the scope of how much money he's made/makes. BTW..

Snake, Favre had to get sacked, smashed, spend time practicing and hurting his shoulder to a point were he wasn't able to throw the ball with much velocity.

Taking the 20 M from the Packers he could have hung aroung with the boys, signed autographs, drank sodas and made commercials.

I don't believe that was ever on the radar. Favre wants to play. I think it is about the consecutive games streak. I think that's 90% of the motiviation. A small part is to rub it in Ted's eye. Who cares about that? Didn't all of us want to "tell" an old boss they were wrong?

He's close to Bruce Matthews record. I think that's what is really important to Brett Favre.

What was on the radar? Would you rather make $20 M doing PR or $20 M getting hammered by 300 lbs linemen?

It isn't about me, Dan. Clearly I'd want the 20 mil. It's about Favre. I also think that's clear as well. He doesn't want the 20 mil right now. He wants the all time consecutive game streak.

You get the $20 M either way!

That was Snake's point. He could get the same $20 M by playing for the Jets last year and the Vikings this year or take the marketing deal.

Dan, Favre can get the marketing money 3 years from now... He can only get the money to play now. But, my point isn't about the money, it's about the consecutive game streak.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm not as sure as some of the rest of you guys that the marketing offer would remain as lucrative as last summer, and available to him indefinitely.

[Partial]

Dan, I'm sorry but that is just too . Are you flipping kidding me? That's your play?