Favre and the Hall of Fame: What's Your Reaction?

[mraynrand]

Ouch! Old Fran Tarkenton doesn't mince words here:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/27/thats-incredible-a-former-player-that-isnt-a-fan-of-brett-favres/

Fran was asked about the whole Brett Favre retirement, un-retirement:

“I think it’s despicable. What he put the Packers through last year was not good. Here’s an organization that was loyal to him for 17, 18 years, provided stability of organization, provided players. It just wasn’t about Brett Favre. In this day and time, we have glorified the Brett Favre’s of the world so much, they think it’s about them. He goes to New York and bombs. He’s 39 years old. How would you like Ray Nitschke in his last year (playing for) the Vikings, or I retire, and go play for the Packers. I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail.”

On what more he feels the Packers could have done as an organization during the break-up with Favre:

“They did everything, but you get into a position, and I understand he’s been glorified so much. He’s been a great player, there’s no question about it, but it’s all about him. It is supposed to be all about your team. If you’re going to be the quarterback of your team, you need to be there in the off season workouts in March and April. Peyton Manning’s there. Tom Brady’s there.”

Fran’s take on what he sees out of Favre’s quarterback abilities or lack there of:

“I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen. Look at his final game in a Packers uniform. He blew that game against the Giants. He’s playing against Eli Manning, I love Eli Manning, but he’s still not a great quarterback. He’s not Peyton yet, or Tom Brady. He’s just a guy. And they’re (Packers) are playing at home, and they’re in a tight situation, they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career.”

That's INCREDIBLE!

[mraynrand]

Ouch! Old Fran Tarkenton doesn't mince words here:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/27/thats-incredible-a-former-player-that-isnt-a-fan-of-brett-favres/

Fran was asked about the whole Brett Favre retirement, un-retirement:

“I think it’s despicable. What he put the Packers through last year was not good. Here’s an organization that was loyal to him for 17, 18 years, provided stability of organization, provided players. It just wasn’t about Brett Favre. In this day and time, we have glorified the Brett Favre’s of the world so much, they think it’s about them. He goes to New York and bombs. He’s 39 years old. How would you like Ray Nitschke in his last year (playing for) the Vikings, or I retire, and go play for the Packers. I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail.”

On what more he feels the Packers could have done as an organization during the break-up with Favre:

“They did everything, but you get into a position, and I understand he’s been glorified so much. He’s been a great player, there’s no question about it, but it’s all about him. It is supposed to be all about your team. If you’re going to be the quarterback of your team, you need to be there in the off season workouts in March and April. Peyton Manning’s there. Tom Brady’s there.”

Fran’s take on what he sees out of Favre’s quarterback abilities or lack there of:

“I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen. Look at his final game in a Packers uniform. He blew that game against the Giants. He’s playing against Eli Manning, I love Eli Manning, but he’s still not a great quarterback. He’s not Peyton yet, or Tom Brady. He’s just a guy. And they’re (Packers) are playing at home, and they’re in a tight situation, they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career.”

Man, I used to despise Fran Tarkenton. All the stepping out of bounds j-u-s-t before a Packer linebacker was about to waste him. Drove me nuts.

So why do I want to like him now? This seems so wrong. Can't I be left alone to hate in peace?

You don't have to like him, even though he might be right about a thing or two. Fran is like that squirrel that runs out in front of your car. Most people kinda freak out and try to avoid hitting the thing, even though it zips back and forth and you don't have any control over whether you tag it or not - you're much more likely to wreck your car in the process. So the best thing to do is keep driving, ignore the thing - and you can feel good if you happen to run it over.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Favre may or may not be a bad guy and I think he handled last offseason horribly.

But it was fun to know at the beginning of every season for the last 16 years that we had a shot at making the playoffs and winning the SB. The Packers had some wonderful teams and a very dominant D during the SB years. Having stability at QB, and good to great play, for that long of a period really helped.

You look at teams like Detroit, Chicago, San Fran, Buffalo teams that can't find a QB and you might see one good year here or there but they quickly drop off to non-contenders.

For this reason it was fun watching Rodgers do so well last year. I am hoping that we have "the guy" for the next 6-10 year run.

Agreed.

[cpk1994]

Wow. That was one of the best opinions on Favre I've read in a while. In Brett's mind, it was all about the him. He didn't care to be with his teammates when they were working hard to get better. He put himself over everything.

I'm also with Fran on another thing. I hope he goes to Minny so he can fail. It will prove this guy is one of the most over hyped pieces of shit to ever play the game. When I think about the Packers, I try to forget Brett Favre because he's not a good guy and he got way too much credit for being on good teams.

To call him an overhyped POS as a player is dead wrong. The record on the field proves you wrong. Now, if you are talking aout the person off the field, then POS is an apt description.

[Harlan Huckleby]

For this reason it was fun watching Rodgers do so well last year. I am hoping that we have "the guy" for the next 6-10 year run.

well, he has one 6-10 year under his belt. Not sure I am quite so enthusiastic about a run of them.

[The Shadow]

What did Fran say, really, that we didn't already know?
He was pretty much right on the mark.

[RashanGary]

What did Fran say, really, that we didn't already know?
He was pretty much right on the mark.

That's exactly it. It was dead on the mark. It deserves mention because it's obvious he's up to speed on what happened here.

[SnakeLH2006]

42-5 pro Favre vs. anti-Favre. Just shows that peeps can forget the drama for one the best NFL players EVER. Favre made the Packers for 15 years. Snake don't give a shit about the melodrama shit lately with Brett. It'll subside in 5-6 years when he's HOF bound....One of the best, most exciting players in NFL history. Did wonders for GB. Nuff said.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

42-5 pro Favre vs. anti-Favre. Just shows that peeps can forget the drama for one the best NFL players EVER. Favre made the Packers for 15 years. Snake don't give a shit about the melodrama shit lately with Brett. It'll subside in 5-6 years when he's HOF bound....One of the best, most exciting players in NFL history. Did wonders for GB. Nuff said.

Your logic is poor.

If anything it shows that the "anti favre" crowd is...well, not anti favre. They are sane, logical people. They know what a dipshit he is being but they will look past it.

[SnakeLH2006]

42-5 pro Favre vs. anti-Favre. Just shows that peeps can forget the drama for one the best NFL players EVER. Favre made the Packers for 15 years. Snake don't give a shit about the melodrama shit lately with Brett. It'll subside in 5-6 years when he's HOF bound....One of the best, most exciting players in NFL history. Did wonders for GB. Nuff said.

Your logic is poor.

If anything it shows that the "anti favre" crowd is...well, not anti favre. They are sane, logical people. They know what a dipshit he is being but they will look past it.

I never said anything about anything than Canton. So many throw Brett under the bus in the last year, but will praise him in Canton. Snake don't like how Brett carries himself lately, but definitely in the majority to say I WILL support him in Canton. I don't see how the logic is poor.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

42-5 pro Favre vs. anti-Favre. Just shows that peeps can forget the drama for one the best NFL players EVER. Favre made the Packers for 15 years. Snake don't give a shit about the melodrama shit lately with Brett. It'll subside in 5-6 years when he's HOF bound....One of the best, most exciting players in NFL history. Did wonders for GB. Nuff said.

Your logic is poor.

If anything it shows that the "anti favre" crowd is...well, not anti favre. They are sane, logical people. They know what a dipshit he is being but they will look past it.

I never said anything about anything than Canton. So many throw Brett under the bus in the last year, but will praise him in Canton. Snake don't like how Brett carries himself lately, but definitely in the majority to say I WILL support him in Canton. I don't see how the logic is poor.

Ty misread. Apologizes.

[woodbuck27]

Ouch! Old Fran Tarkenton doesn't mince words here:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/27/thats-incredible-a-former-player-that-isnt-a-fan-of-brett-favres/

Fran was asked about the whole Brett Favre retirement, un-retirement:

“I think it’s despicable. What he put the Packers through last year was not good. Here’s an organization that was loyal to him for 17, 18 years, provided stability of organization, provided players. It just wasn’t about Brett Favre. In this day and time, we have glorified the Brett Favre’s of the world so much, they think it’s about them. He goes to New York and bombs. He’s 39 years old. How would you like Ray Nitschke in his last year (playing for) the Vikings, or I retire, and go play for the Packers. I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail.”

On what more he feels the Packers could have done as an organization during the break-up with Favre:

“They did everything, but you get into a position, and I understand he’s been glorified so much. He’s been a great player, there’s no question about it, but it’s all about him. It is supposed to be all about your team. If you’re going to be the quarterback of your team, you need to be there in the off season workouts in March and April. Peyton Manning’s there. Tom Brady’s there.”

Fran’s take on what he sees out of Favre’s quarterback abilities or lack there of:

“I think he has been a great flamboyant quarterback, but he has made more stupid plays than any great quarterback that I’ve ever seen. Look at his final game in a Packers uniform. He blew that game against the Giants. He’s playing against Eli Manning, I love Eli Manning, but he’s still not a great quarterback. He’s not Peyton yet, or Tom Brady. He’s just a guy. And they’re (Packers) are playing at home, and they’re in a tight situation, they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career.”

He goes to New York and bombs.

NO! He (Favre) didn't bomb in a Jets uniform? HE took them from what? 4 wins in 2007 to 9 wins in 2008. Alot of starting QB's failed to win 9 games in 2008.

Of the possibility of Brett Favre joining the Vikings.I kind of hope it happens, so he can fail

That's shocking of Fran Tarkenton.That's just hateful and lacks class. Thus the entire commentary on Favre by Fran lacks merit.

they went to overtime and he (Favre) throws the interception that allows them (the Giants) to come back and win the game. He has done that and driven his coaches crazy all of his career

a) Who called that pass pattern? I've always thought that a better play needed to be called on that pick. The play had pick written all over it. Driver needed to come back to the pass for a short gain or shoot up the sideline for a bigger play.

b) Who has more career wins than Favre of any other NFL QB in history? He's made mistakes. YES! He's human but he's also provided us with a great many superlative performances resulting in wins for us to enjoy. I assume his coach's did as well.

[Bretsky]

Fran had never been that great of a guy; listeing to Satellite Radio today and ESPN pointed out that Chuck Forman, Ron Yary, and Stu Voight all enjoyed playing with Fran...but....Foreman pointed out he was a great player but a me guy and everything needed to run through Fran. Yary and Voight were not as Frank but both noted they'd agree with that analysis.

It'd be interesting to know how most Vikings fans view him

[Scott Campbell]

a) Who called that pass pattern? I've always thought that a better play needed to be called on that pick. The play had pick written all over it. Driver needed to come back to the pass for a short gain or shoot up the sideline for a bigger play.

Yeah, it's clearly Driver and McCarthy's fault. I think the sun may have been in Brett's eyes too.

[PlantPage55]

Brett gets in - no doubt about it. And you know I've been his biggest detractor since he retired.

Right now, he's on my shit-list with a 5 year probationary period from the time that we're actually SURE he's retired. Then, he is allowed back into my heart.