VICK DA GREAT

[Joemailman]

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

The baby survived, but has cerebral palsy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae_Carruth

[Zool]

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

If you are an NFL fan you knew all about the Carruth case. Otherwise it would be a mystery to about 95% of the rest of the population. There were no Rae Carruth chew toys etc.....The Vick case was much more wide spread. The point I'm trying to make is how people seem to value the lives of dogs more than people when it comes to their outrage. People are dying daily from gang violence but I don't see nearly as many people outraged by that as were by Vick killing dogs. I have friends who couldnt care less about sports who knew tons of details about the case. When I asked them what they thought should be done about the Detroit and DC murder rates, they pretty much said nothing.

[Freak Out]

If he can survive a pit fight with White Fang he should be allowed to play again.

[Joemailman]

And Cujo

[mraynrand]

Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war!

[MJZiggy]

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

If you are an NFL fan you knew all about the Carruth case. Otherwise it would be a mystery to about 95% of the rest of the population. There were no Rae Carruth chew toys etc.....The Vick case was much more wide spread. The point I'm trying to make is how people seem to value the lives of dogs more than people when it comes to their outrage. People are dying daily from gang violence but I don't see nearly as many people outraged by that as were by Vick killing dogs. I have friends who couldnt care less about sports who knew tons of details about the case. When I asked them what they thought should be done about the Detroit and DC murder rates, they pretty much said nothing.

I think that's because it's easier to have a point to focus your rage upon--say Vick rather than a generalized notion of whoever it might be that's killing folks. The other thing to consider is that "hang 'em" is an easy answer whereas figuring out what to do about DC and Detriot murder rates would take some analysis into the causes and possible solutions, intellect, and psychological skill.

[Zool]

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

If you are an NFL fan you knew all about the Carruth case. Otherwise it would be a mystery to about 95% of the rest of the population. There were no Rae Carruth chew toys etc.....The Vick case was much more wide spread. The point I'm trying to make is how people seem to value the lives of dogs more than people when it comes to their outrage. People are dying daily from gang violence but I don't see nearly as many people outraged by that as were by Vick killing dogs. I have friends who couldnt care less about sports who knew tons of details about the case. When I asked them what they thought should be done about the Detroit and DC murder rates, they pretty much said nothing.

I think that's because it's easier to have a point to focus your rage upon--say Vick rather than a generalized notion of whoever it might be that's killing folks. The other thing to consider is that "hang 'em" is an easy answer whereas figuring out what to do about DC and Detriot murder rates would take some analysis into the causes and possible solutions, intellect, and psychological skill.

I think its because people who dont live in a ghetto don't care to attempt to relate to or empathize with the people living there, but everyone has or knows someone who has a dog. Its really too bad.

[mission]

As a Pit Bull owner and breeder of some of the best temperament dogs known in Atlanta, I was very against Vick and just about everything about him ... was glad to see him the Falcons cut ties with him.

That said, he did his time. He should be reinstated immediately. Any time you do time ... that's gotta be it. Come on, that shit is hell, even for Vick...

I wish him the best.

[th87]

Whoops

[Lurker64]

That said, he did his time. He should be reinstated immediately. Any time you do time ... that's gotta be it. Come on, that shit is hell, even for Vick...

I think he should be reinstated, but not immediately. The man has black marks against him in the eyes of the NFL that are separate from the legal charges, notably lying to Goodell's face about his involvement (or lack thereof) in the activities he eventually pled guilty to. I would say "time served" is good enough for the suspension for what he was actually guilty of, but I would suspend him for another year to see how he readjusts to civilian life. If he behaves himself, let him back in immediately.

[th87]

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

If you are an NFL fan you knew all about the Carruth case. Otherwise it would be a mystery to about 95% of the rest of the population. There were no Rae Carruth chew toys etc.....The Vick case was much more wide spread. The point I'm trying to make is how people seem to value the lives of dogs more than people when it comes to their outrage. People are dying daily from gang violence but I don't see nearly as many people outraged by that as were by Vick killing dogs. I have friends who couldnt care less about sports who knew tons of details about the case. When I asked them what they thought should be done about the Detroit and DC murder rates, they pretty much said nothing.

I think that's because it's easier to have a point to focus your rage upon--say Vick rather than a generalized notion of whoever it might be that's killing folks. The other thing to consider is that "hang 'em" is an easy answer whereas figuring out what to do about DC and Detriot murder rates would take some analysis into the causes and possible solutions, intellect, and psychological skill.

I think its because people who dont live in a ghetto don't care to attempt to relate to or empathize with the people living there, but everyone has or knows someone who has a dog. Its really too bad.

Spot on. It's really a cultural thing.

In a certain subset of southern Black culture, fighting dogs is a common form of recreation. He probably grew up with it all around him. This caused a desensitization, and he, and people around him just got used to it and accepted it.

In China, people eat dogs. It's normal - no big deal. People in one place do things that people in other places wouldn't dream of doing. I think this is ultimately what was Vick's undoing.

Of course, I'm sure Vick knew that it wasn't right, but I'd bet he was pretty surprised at the extent of the backlash that he had to deal with. It was a clash of two cultures. As a result, he paid his debt, and should now be allowed to live his life again.

Further, there is a matter of his actual involvement in the killing of dogs. He says that he was never the one who actually perpetrated it, but instead was aware of it, and funded it. Not that that's any better, obviously, but I think some of his buddies definitely let him take the fall for some things.

[SnakeLH2006]

Snake used to say FUCK VICK. He's a gansta beyotch and overrated...but it looks like he learned his lesson..$10 an hour for a 40 hour a week job in construction. Used to do that shit. It's hard work, but hey, he did his time. Snake is all about 2nd chances. Let's see Vick with his 4.2 speed at WR or RB. He could be a beast and a Kordell Stewart change of pace at QB if so desired. He just sucks at QB. Love the NFL media. Favre...Vick...it's all fun.

[MOBB DEEP]

Snake used to say FUCK VICK. He's a gansta beyotch and overrated...but it looks like he learned his lesson..$10 an hour for a 40 hour a week job in construction. Used to do that shit. It's hard work, but hey, he did his time. Snake is all about 2nd chances. Let's see Vick with his 4.2 speed at WR or RB. He could be a beast and a Kordell Stewart change of pace at QB if so desired. He just sucks at QB. Love the NFL media. Favre...Vick...it's all fun.

qft

[Gunakor]

People think that his doing time in a federal prison was his paying his debt to society. That because he has been released, that means his debt has been paid.

False.

His prison term was not his making amends for what he did. It was merely serving his punishment. His release means he can just now start to make amends. Now is the time for him to START paying his debt to society.

(Sorry, I was listening to a talk radio segment concerning this issue a week or two ago and heard a caller state they thought Vick had repaid his debt to society by serving his prison term, and had come out with a clean slate - thus deserving of any second chances that anyone else would be afforded, NFL or otherwise. I disagree with this caller 100%, and just thought of it again just now seeing this thread brought back to the top.)

[Chevelle2]

People think that his doing time in a federal prison was his paying his debt to society. That because he has been released, that means his debt has been paid.

False.

His prison term was not his making amends for what he did. It was merely serving his punishment. His release means he can just now start to make amends. Now is the time for him to START paying his debt to society.

(Sorry, I was listening to a talk radio segment concerning this issue a week or two ago and heard a caller state they thought Vick had repaid his debt to society by serving his prison term, and had come out with a clean slate - thus deserving of any second chances that anyone else would be afforded, NFL or otherwise. I disagree with this caller 100%, and just thought of it again just now seeing this thread brought back to the top.)

At what point was "making amends" part of his criminal sentence?