Judge denies most of Vikings' Williamses' claims

[Patler]

The only things I know about StarCaps and this case:

It's a substance that contains a masking agent.

It's a substance that legally couldn't contain the banned diuretic that has been used by some in the past as masking agent.It didn't list it as an ingrediant....it was a weight loss product.

You seem to insinuate they were on steroides when there isn;t a shred of evidence to support this fact. If you wanted to take a friggen masking agent you'd just take it directly and not through some OTC supplement that secretly contains it.


Is this not the common sense view?

Can't the same be said for the other side of this debate? If they really wanted to take a weight-loss medication, why take a celebrity-hyped OTC supplement of no proven effectiveness? My understanding is that this was not a supplement commonly taken by 350 pound males. It was a fad or fashionable supplement taken by females, developed by the “Diet Queen to the Stars”. Is Nikki Haskel really someone that pro athletes the caliber of the Williams would turn to for weight loss help, especially in view of the drug testing they are subjected to?

My suspicion is that they really were taking it for its well-known side effect as a masking agent. That actually seems to be the more common sense view, in my opinion. If caught with it they can argue the weight-loss use. If caught with a masking agent in your possession, what argument do you have?

I have a hard time believing that elite NFL players truly interested in only weight control would turn to Star Caps.

[denverYooper]

The only things I know about StarCaps and this case:

It's a substance that contains a masking agent.

It's a substance that legally couldn't contain the banned diuretic that has been used by some in the past as masking agent.It didn't list it as an ingrediant....it was a weight loss product.

You seem to insinuate they were on steroides when there isn;t a shred of evidence to support this fact. If you wanted to take a friggen masking agent you'd just take it directly and not through some OTC supplement that secretly contains it.

Is this not the common sense view?

You take the OTC supplement so you can use it as an excuse because you know it's an excuse. That's why people who like their opiates will list "Poppyseed cake" and "aspirin" on a pre-employment drug screen.

Anyhow, you left out the second part of his post, which is more important, the personal responsibility part:

"You and you alone are responsible for what goes into your body. Claiming that you used only legally available nutritional supplements will not help you in an appeal. ... Even if they are bought over-the-counter from a known establishment, there is currently no way to be sure that they contain the ingredients listed on the packaging or have not been tainted with prohibited substances.”

The policy goes on to state "If you take these products, you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK! For your own health and success in the league, we strongly encourage you to avoid the use of supplements altogether, or at the very least to be extremely careful about what you choose to take."

^^^^ This ^^^^ is the common sense view.

[Fritz]

The only things I know about StarCaps and this case:

It's a substance that contains a masking agent.

It's a substance that legally couldn't contain the banned diuretic that has been used by some in the past as masking agent.It didn't list it as an ingrediant....it was a weight loss product.

You seem to insinuate they were on steroides when there isn;t a shred of evidence to support this fact. If you wanted to take a friggen masking agent you'd just take it directly and not through some OTC supplement that secretly contains it.


Is this not the common sense view?

Can't the same be said for the other side of this debate? If they really wanted to take a weight-loss medication, why take a celebrity-hyped OTC supplement of no proven effectiveness? My understanding is that this was not a supplement commonly taken by 350 pound males. It was a fad or fashionable supplement taken by females, developed by the “Diet Queen to the Stars”. Is Nikki Haskel really someone that pro athletes the caliber of the Williams would turn to for weight loss help, especially in view of the drug testing they are subjected to?

My suspicion is that they really were taking it for its well-known side effect as a masking agent. That actually seems to be the more common sense view, in my opinion. If caught with it they can argue the weight-loss use. If caught with a masking agent in your possession, what argument do you have?

I have a hard time believing that elite NFL players truly interested in only weight control would turn to Star Caps.

First, I thought "Star Caps" was a Brachs candy from back in the day....

Second, here's the litmus test (see Patler's italicized point above): If the Williamses' reading material comes from the Oprah Book Club, they are innocent. If their reading material comes from their own random choices, they are guilty.

I should the the Commish. Call me Solomon.

[cpk1994]

[quote="Rastak"]

The only things I know about StarCaps and this case:

It's a substance that contains a masking agent.

It's a substance that legally couldn't contain the banned diuretic that has been used by some in the past as masking agent.It didn't list it as an ingrediant....it was a weight loss product.

You seem to insinuate they were on steroides when there isn;t a shred of evidence to support this fact. If you wanted to take a friggen masking agent you'd just take it directly and not through some OTC supplement that secretly contains it.


Is this not the common sense view?

Steriods has been insinuated. Most people tend to lean towards the masking of weed usage in this case.

[Rastak]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....



I see the NFLPA appealed the judges decision. From what I've read they have ZERO chance.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

[Rastak]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

[cpk1994]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

[Scott Campbell]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

Like the rest of the Vikings, they fail the character test.

[sharpe1027]

Which steroid test did they fail?

Seriously?

There is a direct test for steriods. It well known that certain substances can fool this test.

There is a second test for these certain substances.

They failed this second test.

p.s., I realize that we can't prove that they took steroids, but being caught having masking substances is a whole different ball-game than unsupported rumors.

[Rastak]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A diuretic, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

[Scott Campbell]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A banned masking agent, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

Fixed.

[Rastak]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A banned masking agent, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

Fixed.

My bosses mother was given a masking agent when she had congestive heard failure.....either that or the drug has multiple uses like drying up water which either clears your lungs or causes you to make weight the day camp opens.


I bow to your medical knowledge of the many uses of diuretics.

[Zool]

Holy shit Ras, if this was anyone but a Viking you would be on the other side.

[Scott Campbell]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A banned masking agent, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

Fixed.

My bosses mother was given a masking agent when she had congestive heard failure.....either that or the drug has multiple uses like drying up water which either clears your lungs or causes you to make weight the day camp opens.


I bow to your medical knowledge of the many uses of diuretics.

So now Doctors are prescribing Star Caps for congestive heart failure? I really have a hard time believing that claim.

If you're going to snivel about something, how about the lack of Viking Lombardi Trophies?