Judge denies most of Vikings' Williamses' claims

[RashanGary]

Suspend'em

[sharpe1027]

My bosses mother was given a masking agent when she had congestive heard failure.....either that or the drug has multiple uses like drying up water which either clears your lungs or causes you to make weight the day camp opens.

I bow to your medical knowledge of the many uses of diuretics.

I had no idea that the Williams boys both had congestive heard failure. My heart goes out to them. I am surprised that they didn't bring that up in their appeal.

[Scott Campbell]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A banned masking agent, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

Fixed.

My bosses mother was given a masking agent when she had congestive heard failure.....either that or the drug has multiple uses like drying up water which either clears your lungs or causes you to make weight the day camp opens.


I bow to your medical knowledge of the many uses of diuretics.

Children of dwarfs legitimately take HGH, therefore the Williams brothers should not be suspended.

[Scott Campbell]

Holy shit Ras, if this was anyone but a Viking you would be on the other side.

He's in a Purple Haze.

[Scott Campbell]

My bosses mother was given a masking agent when she had congestive heard failure.....

Would you shoot teens stealing beer?

[cpk1994]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A diuretic, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

Also a substance that is used as a masking agent for, amongst other things , steroids and marijuana. I'm suprised you missed that key point.

[Rastak]

Steroids have been insinuated with Clay Matthews also but I hardly think it's fair to him.....I'm just sayin....

He hasn't failed any tests--unlike Pat and Kevin Williams.

Which steroid test did they fail?

If they didn't fail a test, what are they in court for?

A banned masking agent, I'm surprised you missed that key point.

Fixed.

My bosses mother was given a masking agent when she had congestive heard failure.....either that or the drug has multiple uses like drying up water which either clears your lungs or causes you to make weight the day camp opens.


I bow to your medical knowledge of the many uses of diuretics.

So now Doctors are prescribing Star Caps for congestive heart failure? I really have a hard time believing that claim.

If you're going to snivel about something, how about the lack of Viking Lombardi Trophies?

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?



The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.


Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

[cpk1994]

You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

The NFL doesn't have to contend it was bieng used as a masking agent, just that a banned substance was used. But when the drug in question is a drug used mostly by women which is also known to be used as a masking agent for steroids and marijuana, questions arise. The point the NFL is contending is that players should be using drugs on the NFL approved list. If you go outdie that list, you better know what you are doing.

[sharpe1027]

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?

The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.

Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

I think the smart assed posts were a two-way street there Ras.

I am not sure how the NFL would ever prove a players intentions, so I fail to see the point of your argument.

If you want to play that type of a game, did the players prove that they didn't intend to use it as a masking agent. Better yet, did the players prove that their positive tests were for sure from Star Caps? For all we know, the Williams boys took the masking agent intentionally and then used Star Caps as a convenient excuse after-the-fact...

[Rastak]

Holy shit Ras, if this was anyone but a Viking you would be on the other side.

Actually Zool, I was on the leagues side when I heard. Because it was the Vikings I read a ton on the facts of the case and it turns out there are quite a few facts that make's me think the NFL did not in the least act in good faith.


Per the Union's complaint, 8 guys were caught and let go while the NFL tested Starcaps. Then they never told anyone of the results they obtained. I have issue how they handled it. Frankly I think it was stupid to take supplements to make weight. Run an extra few laps.

[Rastak]

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?

The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.

Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

I think the smart assed posts were a two-way street there Ras.

I am not sure how the NFL would ever prove a players intentions, so I fail to see the point of your argument.

If you want to play that type of a game, did the players prove that they didn't intend to use it as a masking agent. Better yet, did the players prove that their positive tests were for sure from Star Caps? For all we know, the Williams boys took the masking agent intentionally and then used Star Caps as a convenient excuse after-the-fact...

I didn't start it with the mindless smartassed posts.....I find the case to be interesting and it's interesting to debate the facts of the case and how it relates to the CBA.

I understand your last argument for sure, in fact the NFL stated that's why they never told the players because they feared that EXACT thing.

[Scott Campbell]

I didn't start it with the mindless smartassed posts.....

I take exception to the "mindless" characterization.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?

The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.

Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

I think the smart assed posts were a two-way street there Ras.

I am not sure how the NFL would ever prove a players intentions, so I fail to see the point of your argument.

If you want to play that type of a game, did the players prove that they didn't intend to use it as a masking agent. Better yet, did the players prove that their positive tests were for sure from Star Caps? For all we know, the Williams boys took the masking agent intentionally and then used Star Caps as a convenient excuse after-the-fact...

Has anyone here heard of a contractual weight clause? Money is a great motivator.

[RashanGary]

Has anyone here heard of a contractual weight clause? Money is a great motivator.

Suspend'em

[cpk1994]

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?

The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.

Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

I think the smart assed posts were a two-way street there Ras.

I am not sure how the NFL would ever prove a players intentions, so I fail to see the point of your argument.

If you want to play that type of a game, did the players prove that they didn't intend to use it as a masking agent. Better yet, did the players prove that their positive tests were for sure from Star Caps? For all we know, the Williams boys took the masking agent intentionally and then used Star Caps as a convenient excuse after-the-fact...

Has anyone here heard of a contractual weight clause? Money is a great motivator.

. They injested a substance which was illegal and suspendable for. Doens't matter what clause they have in their contracts. There are plenty of NFL approved ways to make weight. You are just making an excuse. I guess I shouldn't expect less from a Viking fan.