Vince Young Potentially on Trading Block?

[Chevelle2]

Harvey... Rodgers couldn't get it done in the clutch. How many times did he chuck up a foolish interception instead of scoring a touchdown? Lots.

I see this argument brought up a lot, and Id like to take some time to address it. Lets take a look at the close games in 2008.

Tennessee

Rodgers drove the team to a tying score with 5:30 remaining. Green Bay had the ball again once there after, Tennessee on the other hand, had 3 more possessions since that score. Rodgers did not throw an interception from 5:30 onwards

Minnesota

Rodgers drove the team down to a FG to put them up 6 with 5:56 remaining. Minnesota came down and scored a TD with 2:30 to go. Rodgers came back down to lineup for a FG with :02 left, which was missed. No interceptions the entire game

Rodgers drove the team into scoring position twice in 5:56 They still lost

Carolina

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 2 minutes left on an 80 yard 9:13 drive, only to see CAR gain the lead a mere 0:27 seconds later. Only THEN threw an interception, with 1:09 from his own 17.

Houston

Rodgers took the lead with 6 minutes left on a TD. The Packers only had the ball one more time. Houston had the ball twice thereafter. Rodgers threw 0 interceptions after the TD.

Jacksonville

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 5:40 left. The lead evaporated 3:39 minutes later. Rodgers threw the interception with :46 remaining. Do you expect him to score twice ever 5:40? Is this Arena ball?

Chicago

Rodgers drove the team down with 0:25 seconds left, only to see Crosby's kick blocked. 0 interceptions in the 4th quarter.


Thats 2 interceptions in 6 games. Hardly "a lot." Partial I suggest that if you want to be a more welcomed and appreciated member on packerrats, you don't have to change your views, but rather your ways of expressing them. Perhaps doing research, as I have done here, to back up your claims, would go a long way.

Thank you. I'm glad you owned that arguemtn before I responded to his bullshit the wrong way.

No problem. I doubt he will respond, however.

[CaptainKickass]

I have always wanted to see an NFL team with all 3 gameday QB's as "scramblers" in addition to a solid running game.

If you get Mike Vick and Vince Young on the same team - who's the 3rd "scrambler"?


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Kordell Stewart is waiting for some GM to fall out of bed and hit his head on the floor, then call him.

/gravedigger

Haha.....I was think of like a McNabb or Randall Cunningham in their prime.

[CaptainKickass]

Way to pick and choose data.

Don't be a prick Harv. I'm extremely fair.

Yeah Harv, you big prick. How dare you use your numbers to support your argument and not Partial's to support his? Data picker. You're a dirty, dirty unfair data picker PRICK.

Fixed.

No need to thank me, I'm here to help.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Waiting on a response.

I don't really understand the Harrington comparisons. Young is a winner and has won at every level. Harrington never experienced any success as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Harrington

Harrington finished his college career with a 25-3 record (including bowl wins against 12th-ranked Texas and 3rd-ranked Colorado)

[HarveyWallbangers]

That's one more playoff appearance and many more come from behind wins than the guy up in GB.

It's harder to beat out Brett Favre than Kerry Collins.

[MJZiggy]

That's one more playoff appearance and many more come from behind wins than the guy up in GB.

It's harder to beat out Brett Favre than Kerry Collins.

You make a compelling argument. (could be why I rarely argue with you 'cept in person.)

[Partial]

CAPS...

Harvey... Rodgers couldn't get it done in the clutch. How many times did he chuck up a foolish interception instead of scoring a touchdown? Lots.

I see this argument brought up a lot, and Id like to take some time to address it. Lets take a look at the close games in 2008.

Tennessee

Rodgers drove the team to a tying score with 5:30 remaining. Green Bay had the ball again once there after, Tennessee on the other hand, had 3 more possessions since that score. Rodgers did not throw an interception from 5:30 onwards

EXHAUSTED DEFENSE... WE SCORED 16 POINTS. 16. 1-6. ONE TOUCHDOWN. ONE TOUCHDOWN ALL DAY. IS THAT DOING THERE JOB ADEQUATELY? MAYBE TO SOME, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK SO GIVEN THE RULES TO FAVOR OFFENSE IN THE NFL. WE HELD FOR TWO OF THREE POSESSIONS WHILE THE OFFENSE COULDN'T GET IT DONE... ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HOLD OUT ALL DAY?!? IS THAT THE STATUS QUO? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE GREATEST D IN NFL HISTORY? WE GAVE UP 19 POINTS. RAVENS OF 2000 SAID IF THEY GAVE UP 17 POINTS IN A GAME THEY DID THEIR JOB VERY, VERY WELL. WE GAVE UP 19. TWO MORE. OUR OFFENSE WAS HORRIBLE AND RESULTED IN AN EXHAUSTED DEFENSE.

Minnesota

Rodgers drove the team down to a FG to put them up 6 with 5:56 remaining. Minnesota came down and scored a TD with 2:30 to go. Rodgers came back down to lineup for a FG with :02 left, which was missed. No interceptions the entire game

Rodgers drove the team into scoring position twice in 5:56 They still lost


THEY SCORED 1 TOUCHDOWN YET AGAIN AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ALL GAME OFFENSIVELY, YET THIS IS FORGIVEN BECAUSE HE DROVE THEM DOWN IN THE END? IF NOT FOR THE D PLAYING OUT OF THEIR MINDS THEY HAD ZERO CHANCE OF BEING IN THIS GAME, BUT THAT IS FORGOTTEN BY THE HOMERS. HOW MANY GAMES ARE YOU IN AGAINST A GOOD TEAM WHEN YOU SCORE ONE BLOODY TD OFFENSIVELY? NOT MANY.

Carolina

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 2 minutes left on an 80 yard 9:13 drive, only to see CAR gain the lead a mere 0:27 seconds later. Only THEN threw an interception, with 1:09 from his own 17.

GOOD DRIVE, THEN HE GOES IN BLOWS IT. DEFENSE SHOULD HAVE HELD, BUT IT DIDN'T. GOOD PLAYERS DON'T MAKE EXCUSES. RODGERS HAD THE BALL IN HIS HAND, IN A SITUATION WHERE YOUNG THRIVES AND WINS GAMES, AND HE FAILED TO DELIVER AND GAVE BASICALLY A SURE FIRE TOUCHDOWN TO THE OPPOSITION AS OPPOSED TO DRIVING DOWN THE FIELD AND AT LEAST GIVING THE D A CHANCE

Houston

Rodgers took the lead with 6 minutes left on a TD. The Packers only had the ball one more time. Houston had the ball twice thereafter. Rodgers threw 0 interceptions after the TD.

D WAS BAD BUT WHERE WAS THE O. TRUTH BE TOLD I DON'T REMEMBER THIS GAME. HOW MANY POINTS DID WE HAVE? 20? IS THAT ENOUGH? DID THEY MOVE THE BALL WELL IN THE SECOND HALF?

Jacksonville

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 5:40 left. The lead evaporated 3:39 minutes later. Rodgers threw the interception with :46 remaining. Do you expect him to score twice ever 5:40? Is this Arena ball?

NO, I DON'T. I EXPECT THEM TO SUSTAIN DRIVES AND KEEP THE PRESSURE OFF THE D. THEY SCORED 16 POINTS IN THIS GAME. THEY GAVE UP 20. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A GOOD O. YOU GUYS CLAIM HE'S SUCH A PREMIERE QUARTERBACK, BUT PREMIERE QBS PUT UP MORE THAN 20 POINTS AGAINST CRAPPY OPPONENTS AND THEY DON'T RELY ON THEIR DEFENSE WEEK AFTER WEEK.

YOU SAY ARENA BALL... I SAY WHERE WAS THE OFFENSE UP UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME?!? DEFENSE IS DESTINED FOR FAILURE WITH POOR OFFENSIVE PERFORMANCES LIKE THIS.

Chicago

Rodgers drove the team down with 0:25 seconds left, only to see Crosby's kick blocked. 0 interceptions in the 4th quarter.

I DON'T REMEMBER THIS GAME EITHER, HOW MANY POINTS DID WE SCORE? HOW MANY SECOND HALF DRIVES DID WE SUSTAIN? TIME OF POSESSION? SNAPS? ETC. I DON'T REMEMBER THE OFFENSE BEING ANYTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT.

17 POINTS ISN'T GOOD, ANY WAY YOU WRITE IT. THEY GAVE UP 20 TOTAL IN 5 QUARTERS. AGAIN, THE BEST DEFENSE OF ALL TIME SAID GIVING UP 17 IS A GREAT DAY. HOW MANY POINTS IS THE D ON OUR OFFENSIVE-CENTRIC TEAM SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP? 2? 3? 4?

Thats 2 interceptions in 6 games. Hardly "a lot." Partial I suggest that if you want to be a more welcomed and appreciated member on packerrats, you don't have to change your views, but rather your ways of expressing them. Perhaps doing research, as I have done here, to back up your claims, would go a long way.

SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

[Partial]

Waiting on a response.

I don't really understand the Harrington comparisons. Young is a winner and has won at every level. Harrington never experienced any success as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Harrington

Harrington finished his college career with a 25-3 record (including bowl wins against 12th-ranked Texas and 3rd-ranked Colorado)

National championships? Playoff appearances in the NFL, pro bowls?!?

[Partial]

That's one more playoff appearance and many more come from behind wins than the guy up in GB.

It's harder to beat out Brett Favre than Kerry Collins.

LOL, you'd have a hard time convincing me based on the way you guys talk about Brett around here. Sorry, but Rodgers led a playoff ready team into a losing record. There are excuses for his performance every game. "The defense was bad" "The kicker missed" blah blah blah. Try scoring enough points with your vast offensive weapons to not have to rely on someone else play after play.

[MJZiggy]

Way to treat another poster with respect after people have stuck up for you requesting that others treat you with more respect. You are not any better than anyone else around here.

[retailguy]

CAPS...


SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

[HarveyWallbangers]

National championships? Playoff appearances in the NFL, pro bowls?!?

Tee Martin, Chris Weinke, Josh Heupel, Ken Dorsey, Craig Krenzel, Matt Mauck, Matt Leinart, Chris Leak, and Matt Flynn (your BCS winning QBs from 1998-2007) are impressed with how being a BCS winning QB translates to pro success. I'm not impressed with how Young led the Titans and their strong defense went to the playoffs in 2007--in spite of Vince. His 53.5 passer rating in leading the Titans to 6 points in that playoff loss was certainly impressive.

[HarveyWallbangers]

One more for you to chew, Partial.

Tennessee scored 301 points in 2007.
Green Bay scored 419 points in 2008.

I'm thinking that one is game, set, and match. I was even surprised how huge the difference was. That's more than 7 points/game.

[Bossman641]

One more for you to chew, Partial.

Tennessee scored 301 points in 2007.
Green Bay scored 419 points in 2008.

I don't think Partial chews on it, more like in one ear out the other.

[SkinBasket]

SHUT UP. YOU'RE A NOBODY AROUND HERE. NO ONE EVEN KNEW WHO YOU WERE UNTIL YOU STARTED BEING IRRITATING WITH THE FAVRE STUFF.

Partial, all the past stuff between us aside, go fuck yourself. No one tells anyone else on this forum to "shut up." No one judges anyone else's contributions.

Someone took the time to actually debate one of your ridiculous points in a meaningful and thoughtful fashion, and this is what they get for their effort?