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[Fritz]

You bozos naturally miss a key point in the question of who had a better supporting cast: whose wife was hotter??

No, the big picture is did either of wives bring another gal into the covers as well

Bretsky, Bretsky, Bretsky. Wouldn't a wife get hotness points for doing such a thing?

This however does bring up an awkward question - if it's cool and all to like that and have a wife do that, then what if she tells you she'd love to see you under the covers with another man? Is turnabout fair play?

Ruh-roh, Rastro.

[The Leaper]

Re: Dumb

Elway had WAY less talent around him than Favre, and he came through more than Favre.

He also played in the conference that lost about 15 Super Bowls in a row. He played against inferior talent. Favre played against several of the greatest teams of all-time in the 90s 49ers and Cowboys. Elway wouldn't have reached all those Super Bowls he did if he had played in the NFC.

For most of the 80s/90s, the best game of the year was the NFCC game, not the Super Bowl.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Well, I'm pretty sure Deanna brought Greta...

If Brett could get it up for Greta....he wins. Talk about comebacks with a lesser supporting cast.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Dumb

He also played in the conference that lost about 15 Super Bowls in a row. He played against inferior talent. Favre played against several of the greatest teams of all-time in the 90s 49ers and Cowboys. Elway wouldn't have reached all those Super Bowls he did if he had played in the NFC.

For most of the 80s/90s, the best game of the year was the NFCC game, not the Super Bowl.

And yet Elway led one of those inferior teams over the superior Favre-led Packers in the Super Bowl.

[Bretsky]

You bozos naturally miss a key point in the question of who had a better supporting cast: whose wife was hotter??

No, the big picture is did either of wives bring another gal into the covers as well

Bretsky, Bretsky, Bretsky. Wouldn't a wife get hotness points for doing such a thing?

This however does bring up an awkward question - if it's cool and all to like that and have a wife do that, then what if she tells you she'd love to see you under the covers with another man? Is turnabout fair play?

Ruh-roh, Rastro.

No way Jose; guys are dam ugly; the extra body brought into the picture must be one of curves and beauty. And only one ugly banana is allowed

[Noodle]

Packnut, I get a little tired of this meme.

Check out the post that had video of all of Favre's early touchdowns. Watch Sterling make sick plays of pure magic. Watch Brooks sacrifice his body time and time again. Watch Freeman make simply amazing catches. Watch Keith Jackson out-athlete everyone around him. Hell, watch Don Bebe motor past everyone on the field.

No question, Montana played with receivers I would rank above those who played with Favre (though Sterling isn't far behind). But don't don't forget Favre's backfield mates, Dorse the Horse, William Henderson, and Ahman Green among them, who were better than any backfield Montana had, IMO.

It ain't like Favre was chuckin' it up to beer leaguers.

[Fritz]

Packnut, I get a little tired of this meme.

Check out the post that had video of all of Favre's early touchdowns. Watch Sterling make sick plays of pure magic. Watch Brooks sacrifice his body time and time again. Watch Freeman make simply amazing catches. Watch Keith Jackson out-athlete everyone around him. Hell, watch Don Bebe motor past everyone on the field.

No question, Montana played with receivers I would rank above those who played with Favre (though Sterling isn't far behind). But don't don't forget Favre's backfield mates, Dorse the Horse, William Henderson, and Ahman Green among them, who were better than any backfield Montana had, IMO.

It ain't like Favre was chuckin' it up to beer leaguers.

On the whole I agree with you, Noodle, but your last line did remind me of Billy Schroeder and Terry Mickens...

[Gunakor]

Re: Dumb

This is the perfect example of football stupidity! Gee, "I'll take Montana with 2 minutes left". DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who would'nt with all the talent and brilliant coach he had.

ANYONE who's going to argue Favre had the same talent around him that Montana did, is an out and out MORON!

Does'nt it stand to reason if you have 2 QB's who are very good, that the one with the most talent around him is going to stand out?

Favre did more with less and that is his legacy. It's something the haters are to stupid to understand although why I don't know. It's not that hard of a concept to fathom.

Montana had Jerry Rice, something Favre never had, but to out and out say that Montana had far better overall talent around him is a bit of a stretch. Montana never had a TE duo like Chumura and Jackson. He never had a RB quite as good as Ahman Green in his prime (not a knock against Roger Craig, who was also very good). He never had as deep a WR corps as Favre had to finish his tenure here in Green Bay. Favre had weapons. Montana had his go to guy, who was arguably the best ever to play the game, but when you look at his complete list of weapons I don't think top to bottom it was any better than Favre had.

Just a couple side notes; Favre didn't have Chewy and Jackson togther for long

Roger Craig in his prime was pretty amazing also

Rice and Taylor would be a duo nearly everybody would be jealous of having. Heck, just Rice.... Add Roger Craig as a receiver out of the backfield......wow

Favre's last year was certainly the deepest WR core of them all; but he didn't have long with them and he didn't have a run of the same consistent weapons year after year that Joe did.

Well yeah, I know. But the examples I gave were all from different stages of his Packer career. They were given to show that Favre had weapons throughout his time here.

Rice/Taylor is only slightly better than Sharpe/Brooks. And that was followed by Brooks/Freeman. Then Freeman/Driver. Then Driver/Walker (when he was a weapon). Then Driver/Jennings. Favre never had a poor 1-2 WR combo either.

Roger Craig never had 1800 yards rushing to go along with his 50 catches. Green was one of the team leaders in catches in 2000 and 2001 as well. For 4 straight seasons Green accounted for nearly or over 2000 yards from scrimmage. Craig was very good, but for a 3 or 4 year stretch Green was better.

[Zool]

Not that I disagree that Green was better than Craig, but for 1 season Craig did something I don't think anyone has matched.

1050 rush 4.9/carry
1016 receiving on 92 catches.

The guy was an absolute beast in 85.

[channtheman]

I remember when I lost my faith for Favre in big games. 6 int's in St. Louis. However, I still havent lost love for the guy. Though if he went to the 'Queens it would be a real "Et tu Brute?" moment.

It's really funny so many people saw the same thing before the Giants game. My friend and I also talked about how it looked like he didn't even want to be there. His eyes just looked glassy, like he was thinking about something else.

Earlier that year, I believe, when we played in Chicago he had the same look on his face. He didn't want to be there and that Chicago game would have clinched us home field advantage I believe, though looking back maybe it would have been better to have to go to Dallas for the Championship game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not that I disagree that Green was better than Craig, but for 1 season Craig did something I don't think anyone has matched.

1050 rush 4.9/carry
1016 receiving on 92 catches.

The guy was an absolute beast in 85.

Ahman was pretty beastly in 2003.

1883 rushing yards, 5.3/carry, 15 TDs
367 receiving yards on 50 catches, 5 TDs
2250 total yards, 20 TDs

[Fritz]

What would be the opposite of being "beastly"?

Being "plantly"?

That might be a good word to coin for a terrible player. "He was very plantly during the '93 season."

[Gunakor]

What would be the opposite of being "beastly"?

Being "plantly"?

That might be a good word to coin for a terrible player. "He was very plantly during the '93 season."

[RashanGary]

Montana, Brady and Aikman had top 10 defenses for many years in a row. Favre had two early in his career (won 1 SB, went to 1 SB). Favre had one late in his career 9th ranked but getting worse every game as the year went on after teh DL injuries (jolly/KGB who never came back the same). He ended up in the NFC Championship game that year.


Favre was a great QB that could have won the SB every year he played (except last year when he wasn't himself). He had really good offensive talent that helped him rack up stats and regular season wins. He had really average defenses that prevented him from winning more SB's. .

As far as I'm concerned, he's right there with all of the HOF QB's. If I could separate coaching, defense, ST's and surrounding talent from the equation, maybe I could list them in a one by one order. I just think he was a great QB for a long time. HE wasn't as good late in his career and we moved on to something younger and better (at the time) but Favre's whole career shouldn't be knocked because his defenses weren't championship caliber. Like Arod, those losses were not on his shoulders but many will blame one guy.

[Scott Campbell]

I lived in the Bay Area for a good portion of Montana's career, and saw a lot more of him than most people. This was long before Direct TV. I'd take him over Favre.

Brett's career got off to a better start, but he puked up all over himself too many times as an older player.