Cutler an elite QB?

[Scott Campbell]

I consider Cutler to be a good QB... liked him coming out.

Doubt he is the kind of guy that can carry a team to a championship... but he can be the QB of a run-based offense, and very effectively QB a team to a SB title.

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, et al... those guys are hard to find; hence my desire to go with a power running game. Cutler can be very effective for the Bears - I FEAR - but, I don't think they'll expect him to carry the team. Running game and defense have to be priorties #1 and 2... Cutler is good enough to get them the rest of the way there, if they stick to those precepts.

I think I mostly agree with this. It's not that I think Cutler is terrible. Of course I hope he is because of how funny that would be. I just think Chicago grossly overpaid for the guy.

[Dabaddestbear]

I see plenty of facts posted in here. If you're truly unable to find them, maybe it's because you just don't want to see them.

Never said facts wasnt posted, so maybe my post was hard for you to comprehend. I am stating that you cant say something like someone isnt going to be successful just because they dont have a winning record in a team sport, because that would make Rex Grossman a God to those that state that, and Rodgers even worser than Cutler. Now if you want to state that as fact, so be it. But list your facts for why Cutler will not be good with the Bears in your next reply, and we will take it from there. Until then, I am actually about to go out and play some basketball. Holla at you all a lil later.

[sheepshead]

Elite QB ? No...Could he be? yes

[Patler]

oops see next post.

[Patler]

this shit talking about Cutler could get rough if he beats the shit outta us this year... hope some of you can get the foot outta ur mouth if it happens

Well, the Bears could beat up on the Packers this year, maybe because of Cutler, maybe for other reasons. The Packers have not played the Bears real well consistently since Lovie made it a franchise goal to beat the Packers.

If Cutler becomes a star, so be it. That doesn't mean he was a star up until now, or that the criticism of his play until now are not valid. I, for one, have no problem acknowledging greatness in players on other teams.

But are you guys really stating facts or opinion?
For one, a present day Packer fan should never use the win loss record as a measurement for a QB. Rodgers only won 6 games for his career! So he must suck also right?

And I read all these Packer fan postings and I guarantee more than half of you will not reply to a post in regards to Cutler being so bad if he rips the Packers a new one in week one. You can put me down on record and save this post (for I will be saving all of these by you guys), that Cutler will vastly improve the Bears, and they will be better than last year. Which may not bode well for the Packers, since the no Bears and their no talented WR's were able to beat the Packers with a much lesser QB. By the way, that QB (Orton) is battling just to be the starter for Denver.

This season gonna be so much more enjoyable just because of these post you guys are making. Have fun.

I'm not sure why you picked my post to challenge, but since you did, I'll play!.

I posted comments from a Denver resident who has watched Cutler's entire NFL career to date, happens to be a life-long Bear fan, and isn't excited at all about Cutler in Chicago. I guess that is a factual report of mixed facts an opinions. My report was factual, his comments were both fact and his opinion based on facts and his first-hand observations.

I acknowledged that Chicago might mature him. I guess that's opinion, but is it really one that you want to dispute, or complain about?

I acknowledged the Bears success against GB under Smith (fact), and said I will have no problem recognizing Cutler as a star if he becomes one (promise,I guess; not fact, not opinion). Will you do the same for Rodgers?

Opinions mostly by all of us? OF COURSE! What else did you expect to get here? Are your posts anything other than opinions? Especially those about Cutler? We form opinions based on facts, rumors, reports, suppositions and even our own desires thrown into the mix. That's what its all about.

The difference on Packerrats is that, for the most part, the participants are realistic. Do you find anyone on here suggesting that Adrian Peterson (Viking version) sucks? Heck, most acknowledge that he might be the best back in the league right now.

Should I accept your OPINION about Cutler more than that of a Bear fan in Denver who has followed Cutler's career in great detail? How much have you seen him play? How much have you followed his off fielld activities? How much do you know about him? Perhaps you will be right, but for the time being I believe the Denver resident Bear fan has the better information on the topic.

If Cutler becomes a star, I think you will find that most on here will admit it, even if a bit grudgingly. Again I ask, will you do the same for Rodgers?

Dont take it in the wrong way, I wasnt picking on your post, I was just pointing out how you and others were saying "facts" when its only opinion. I dont expect a certain vibe on any message board. I do expect at least a few that will use logical arguments when making predictions. Not like oh, he never had a winning season in the NFL as a starter, so he is not worth it, when in that case you guys must thought Rex Grossman was god since he not only had winning seasons but went to the SB!

And that story about that guy just seems like a bitter Bronco fan, much more than a Bears fan. If his argument is that he is not a team player, strange how not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point. So when you say you will take the opinion of a Bronco FAN that saw him play the past few years over a Bears fan, I say that I will take the opinion of the PLAYERS AND COACHES that played with and coached him, over a bitter Bronco fan and a rival Packer fan.

What did I allege to be fact that is only opinion? When? Where? You can't accuse me and get away without backing it up!

The guy is a Bears fan, not a Bronco fan. He follows the Broncos because he moved there and has access to tickets. He readily admitted that there was no comparison about his loyalties....Bears all the way. I talked to the guy, you did not. Make up facts if you want, but he is a Bear fan, no doubt.

"...not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point." How can you POSSIBLY know that? Not one? Ever? Who's making up facts now? Looks like you! Sorry, but I will take the word of a person in Denver with access to the local sports reports over you.

[Scott Campbell]

Elite QB ? No...Could he be? yes

Agreed.

But they gave up way more compensation than you'd expect for a prospect.

[sheepshead]

Elite QB ? No...Could he be? yes

Agreed.

But they gave up way more compensation than you'd expect for a prospect.

" Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"

napoleon bonaparte

[Dabaddestbear]

this shit talking about Cutler could get rough if he beats the shit outta us this year... hope some of you can get the foot outta ur mouth if it happens

Well, the Bears could beat up on the Packers this year, maybe because of Cutler, maybe for other reasons. The Packers have not played the Bears real well consistently since Lovie made it a franchise goal to beat the Packers.

If Cutler becomes a star, so be it. That doesn't mean he was a star up until now, or that the criticism of his play until now are not valid. I, for one, have no problem acknowledging greatness in players on other teams.

But are you guys really stating facts or opinion?
For one, a present day Packer fan should never use the win loss record as a measurement for a QB. Rodgers only won 6 games for his career! So he must suck also right?

And I read all these Packer fan postings and I guarantee more than half of you will not reply to a post in regards to Cutler being so bad if he rips the Packers a new one in week one. You can put me down on record and save this post (for I will be saving all of these by you guys), that Cutler will vastly improve the Bears, and they will be better than last year. Which may not bode well for the Packers, since the no Bears and their no talented WR's were able to beat the Packers with a much lesser QB. By the way, that QB (Orton) is battling just to be the starter for Denver.

This season gonna be so much more enjoyable just because of these post you guys are making. Have fun.

I'm not sure why you picked my post to challenge, but since you did, I'll play!.

I posted comments from a Denver resident who has watched Cutler's entire NFL career to date, happens to be a life-long Bear fan, and isn't excited at all about Cutler in Chicago. I guess that is a factual report of mixed facts an opinions. My report was factual, his comments were both fact and his opinion based on facts and his first-hand observations.

I acknowledged that Chicago might mature him. I guess that's opinion, but is it really one that you want to dispute, or complain about?

I acknowledged the Bears success against GB under Smith (fact), and said I will have no problem recognizing Cutler as a star if he becomes one (promise,I guess; not fact, not opinion). Will you do the same for Rodgers?

Opinions mostly by all of us? OF COURSE! What else did you expect to get here? Are your posts anything other than opinions? Especially those about Cutler? We form opinions based on facts, rumors, reports, suppositions and even our own desires thrown into the mix. That's what its all about.

The difference on Packerrats is that, for the most part, the participants are realistic. Do you find anyone on here suggesting that Adrian Peterson (Viking version) sucks? Heck, most acknowledge that he might be the best back in the league right now.

Should I accept your OPINION about Cutler more than that of a Bear fan in Denver who has followed Cutler's career in great detail? How much have you seen him play? How much have you followed his off fielld activities? How much do you know about him? Perhaps you will be right, but for the time being I believe the Denver resident Bear fan has the better information on the topic.

If Cutler becomes a star, I think you will find that most on here will admit it, even if a bit grudgingly. Again I ask, will you do the same for Rodgers?

Dont take it in the wrong way, I wasnt picking on your post, I was just pointing out how you and others were saying "facts" when its only opinion. I dont expect a certain vibe on any message board. I do expect at least a few that will use logical arguments when making predictions. Not like oh, he never had a winning season in the NFL as a starter, so he is not worth it, when in that case you guys must thought Rex Grossman was god since he not only had winning seasons but went to the SB!

And that story about that guy just seems like a bitter Bronco fan, much more than a Bears fan. If his argument is that he is not a team player, strange how not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point. So when you say you will take the opinion of a Bronco FAN that saw him play the past few years over a Bears fan, I say that I will take the opinion of the PLAYERS AND COACHES that played with and coached him, over a bitter Bronco fan and a rival Packer fan.

What did I allege to be fact that is only opinion? When? Where? You can't accuse me and get away without backing it up!

The guy is a Bears fan, not a Bronco fan. He follows the Broncos because he moved there and has access to tickets. He readily admitted that there was no comparison about his loyalties....Bears all the way. I talked to the guy, you did not. Make up facts if you want, but he is a Bear fan, no doubt.

"...not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point." How can you POSSIBLY know that? Not one? Ever? Who's making up facts now? Looks like you! Sorry, but I will take the word of a person in Denver with access to the local sports reports over you.

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid. The only thing that has been said from about him from his teammates and coaches were positive things. So YES, I take there word over a disgruntled FAN any day.

[sharpe1027]

And that story about that guy just seems like a bitter Bronco fan, much more than a Bears fan. If his argument is that he is not a team player, strange how not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point. So when you say you will take the opinion of a Bronco FAN that saw him play the past few years over a Bears fan, I say that I will take the opinion of the PLAYERS AND COACHES that played with and coached him, over a bitter Bronco fan and a rival Packer fan.

What did I allege to be fact that is only opinion? When? Where? You can't accuse me and get away without backing it up!

The guy is a Bears fan, not a Bronco fan. He follows the Broncos because he moved there and has access to tickets. He readily admitted that there was no comparison about his loyalties....Bears all the way. I talked to the guy, you did not. Make up facts if you want, but he is a Bear fan, no doubt.

"...not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point." How can you POSSIBLY know that? Not one? Ever? Who's making up facts now? Looks like you! Sorry, but I will take the word of a person in Denver with access to the local sports reports over you.

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid. The only thing that has been said from about him from his teammates and coaches were positive things. So YES, I take there word over a disgruntled FAN any day.

I will take a player's actions and results over a player or coaches standard media line.

This wasn't hard to find:

"Denver Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall said he ignored quarterback Jay Cutler's phone calls for about a week this past spring after Cutler was critical of Marshall's off-field indiscretions in the media.

Among other things, Cutler said of his friend and teammate: "He's not my favorite person right now.""

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/09/denver_broncos_qb_jay_cutler_w.html

Marshall has also said that throwing for 4500 yards doesn't mean much if you don't win. I can't imagine who that was directed at.

You also realize that the Broncos refused to let any of their players have media access for weeks before the trade. Maybe to keep his trade value high by making sure none of his teammates said something that would lower his trade value? Do you really expect players to blab to the media about this?

[Fritz]

Looks like Dabaddestbear has the research skills of a . . . bear fan.

[Scott Campbell]

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid.

Yeah, Jay sounds dreamy. I bet we could start a fan club for him and stuff. That would be cool. I wonder what kind of hair care products he uses.

[Dabaddestbear]

And that story about that guy just seems like a bitter Bronco fan, much more than a Bears fan. If his argument is that he is not a team player, strange how not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point. So when you say you will take the opinion of a Bronco FAN that saw him play the past few years over a Bears fan, I say that I will take the opinion of the PLAYERS AND COACHES that played with and coached him, over a bitter Bronco fan and a rival Packer fan.

What did I allege to be fact that is only opinion? When? Where? You can't accuse me and get away without backing it up!

The guy is a Bears fan, not a Bronco fan. He follows the Broncos because he moved there and has access to tickets. He readily admitted that there was no comparison about his loyalties....Bears all the way. I talked to the guy, you did not. Make up facts if you want, but he is a Bear fan, no doubt.

"...not even ONE of his teammates ever said that, or even hinted to that point." How can you POSSIBLY know that? Not one? Ever? Who's making up facts now? Looks like you! Sorry, but I will take the word of a person in Denver with access to the local sports reports over you.

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid. The only thing that has been said from about him from his teammates and coaches were positive things. So YES, I take there word over a disgruntled FAN any day.

I will take a player's actions and results over a player or coaches standard media line.

This wasn't hard to find:

"Denver Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall said he ignored quarterback Jay Cutler's phone calls for about a week this past spring after Cutler was critical of Marshall's off-field indiscretions in the media.

Among other things, Cutler said of his friend and teammate: "He's not my favorite person right now.""

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008/09/denver_broncos_qb_jay_cutler_w.html

Marshall has also said that throwing for 4500 yards doesn't mean much if you don't win. I can't imagine who that was directed at.

You also realize that the Broncos refused to let any of their players have media access for weeks before the trade. Maybe to keep his trade value high by making sure none of his teammates said something that would lower his trade value? Do you really expect players to blab to the media about this?

Are you serious? The only thing you can find is from the King of Domestic Abuse, Marshall!!??? lol
And it wasnt about Cutler, it was about Cutler calling MARSHALL about his actions.

And even if they kept the players and other coaches from talking to the media during the whole trade fiasco, what does that have to do with them not talking now? or better yet anytime before then?

That was too easy.

[Scott Campbell]

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player except Brandon Marshall on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid.

Fixed.

[pbmax]

C'mon DBB, are you really arguing that the lack of an on the record quote from someone other than Brandon Marshall is PROOF that Cutler will be a leader, or at a minimum we have no basis to question his leadership skills?

I think it would be better to start with the question why did he sandbag his owner and extract a promise that his offensive coordinator would be retained after firing Shanahan. And after that came to pass, why did he ask for a trade?

To me, that sounds like he believes his needs come before the team. Not exactly the priority list of leadership. It has occasionally worked, but Elway-Shanahan is rarely duplicated.

[sharpe1027]

Are you serious? The only thing you can find is from the King of Domestic Abuse, Marshall!!??? lol
And it wasnt about Cutler, it was about Cutler calling MARSHALL about his actions.

And even if they kept the players and other coaches from talking to the media during the whole trade fiasco, what does that have to do with them not talking now? or better yet anytime before then?

That was too easy.

I'm sorry, I thought you said it was a fact that no player or coach had ever hinted anything bad about Cutler? Maybe you have a different definition of facts. Please explain.