Cutler an elite QB?

[pbmax]

First off, show me the source where Paco said he was a "troll".

I actually think paco did use this term, however, I don't think paco was confessing to posting here only to cause trouble. I think his point was that he would continue to be troll-like when faced with those posters who disagree with him most strenuously. He was baiting someone (probably cpk) and used a very poor choice of words. I am not defending paco nor his tomentor. CPK has used this "confession" to excuse a number of ridiculous posts.

But both sides have continued to constantly refer to one another to validate their point. If I were the admin, I would delete any post that referred to the other side of the debate to support or excuse their otherwise thinly sourced opinions or insults.

[Bretsky]

First off, show me the source where Paco said he was a "troll".

I actually think paco did use this term, however, I don't think paco was confessing to posting here only to cause trouble. I think his point was that he would continue to be troll-like when faced with those posters who disagree with him most strenuously. He was baiting someone (probably cpk) and used a very poor choice of words. I am not defending paco nor his tomentor. CPK has used this "confession" to excuse a number of ridiculous posts.
But both sides have continued to constantly refer to one another to validate their point. If I were the admin, I would delete any post that referred to the other side of the debate to support or excuse their otherwise thinly sourced opinions or insults.

I completely agree with everything you noted and especially the bolded part

[cpk1994]

Calling somebody a troll is disrespectful and it's sad if you don't agree

It's ok to bash a point without being a jerk and bashing a poster

It is disrepectful unless you admit to being a troll in the first place. Then it is saying what it is.

I also fiund it hypocritcal you call me out that joke, but others have used that same joke againt Partial and nothing said by you. Most understand it was a joke. If that one had been used against me, and trust me I have seen many attacks against me, I would let it go as I have before.

First off, show me the source where Paco said he was a "troll". And I don't want any more cause and effect reasoning that illustrates that he conveniently fits your definition of a troll. Did Paco note it's alright if you call him a troll ? Do you deny you use it negatively and disrespectfully ?

Hypocritical; call it like you want. Maybe it is, or perhaps you illustrate a pattern of doing this better than just about anyone

I'm just calling a lemon a lemon.

Now that I'm NOT a mod I find this easier to do because I'm not as politically correct.

I've witnessed plenty of the one liner insults and then the few times you are called out you use the copout reasoning that you were joking with one of the guys you dislike the most.

And surely he'd read it like that.

I doubt hardly anybody thought it was a joke; you have a pattern of those so called "joking" insults

Really? Becuase there was one poster to tell him to act like a man and a couple others who kind of mocked his response. It's very obvious they got it. Especially considering it's not an original joke.

As for Paco he admitted to another poster that he was posting stuff to get a rise out of others and admitted to bating another poster, which happened to be me(It didn't work becuase it was a very obvious baiting attempt).

Pb, you have it mostly right except that he made the admissions I mentioned first, then only later mentioning he would continue toi be troll-like to certain people.

Paco to his credit handled the jokes well, either just letting them roll off or politey asking a question in a response. He handeld it a lot better than Partial did, and for that I respect him.

[Pacopete4]

CPK, do u notice ur always in the middle of the problem though? Just let it go man.. We don't want the new admin to think were a bunch of clowns

[cpk1994]

CPK, do u notice ur always in the middle of the problem though? Just let it go man.. We don't want the new admin to think were a bunch of clowns

I don't have anything to let go. I made a joke. You didn't think it was funny, so you let it go. End of story. What became the problem was that Partial handled my jab at him like a 4th grade tattle tale. If he had basically ignored it like you had, about 2 pages of posts wouldn't exist. I will note one more time that the joke about Partial had been used a few times before by others and no one lashed out at those.

[Pacopete4]

CPK, do u notice ur always in the middle of the problem though? Just let it go man.. We don't want the new admin to think were a bunch of clowns

I don't have anything to let go. I made a joke. You didn't think it was funny, so you let it go. End of story. What became the problem was that Partial handled my jab at him like a 4th grade tattle tale. If he had basically ignored it like you had, about 2 pages of posts wouldn't exist. I will note one more time that the joke about Partial had been used a few times before by others and no one lashed out at those.

Everyone has their own feelings on things.. Just move on bud.. Not a big deal. If he didn't like it, apologize and move on.. Simple

[th87]

The Internet's serious business, you know.

[Zool]

This is quite the amazing thread.

[Dabaddestbear]

paco, in all honesty, what are you trying to accomplish?

i think its obvious to most that cutler is going to be a huge upgrade to the bears (even though there is an argument that orton was coming into his own as a game manager).

but you're either

a) trying to provoke people around here with your rhetoric
b) a luke warm packer fan at best

I'm personally going with a, but its anyones guess at this point.

You cant be serious? Lets see, an average game manager, over someone that strikes fear in opposing secondaries...hmmm
Orton isnt even locked in to start in Denver! Its amusing how some of you heap praise on Orton now that he is no longer a Bear. He as a serviceable QB yes, but not one that any team really felt they had to prepare for.

[Zool]

I'm pretty sure he was agreeing with you? Otherwise why would he have called Cutler a "huge upgrade to the bears". Perhaps you quoted the wrong guy?

[Bossman641]

paco, in all honesty, what are you trying to accomplish?

i think its obvious to most that cutler is going to be a huge upgrade to the bears (even though there is an argument that orton was coming into his own as a game manager).

but you're either

a) trying to provoke people around here with your rhetoric
b) a luke warm packer fan at best

I'm personally going with a, but its anyones guess at this point.

You cant be serious? Lets see, an average game manager, over someone that strikes fear in opposing secondaries...hmmm
Orton isnt even locked in to start in Denver! Its amusing how some of you heap praise on Orton now that he is no longer a Bear. He as a serviceable QB yes, but not one that any team really felt they had to prepare for.

It's also amazing how you and other Bear fans talked about how tight Orton was last year and now that he's gone he was just serviceable.

[Fred's Slacks]

paco, in all honesty, what are you trying to accomplish?

i think its obvious to most that cutler is going to be a huge upgrade to the bears (even though there is an argument that orton was coming into his own as a game manager).

but you're either

a) trying to provoke people around here with your rhetoric
b) a luke warm packer fan at best

I'm personally going with a, but its anyones guess at this point.

You cant be serious? Lets see, an average game manager, over someone that strikes fear in opposing secondaries...hmmm
Orton isnt even locked in to start in Denver! Its amusing how some of you heap praise on Orton now that he is no longer a Bear. He as a serviceable QB yes, but not one that any team really felt they had to prepare for.

Did you miss this part? No where did he say that you take Orton over Cutler. He says right there that Cutler is OBVIOUSLY A HUGE UPGRADE.

Go on taking things out of context and using your little emoticon to try to make other posts look stupid. Its having the opposite effect.

[Scott Campbell]

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player except Brandon Marshall on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid.

Fixed.

[Patler]

paco, in all honesty, what are you trying to accomplish?

i think its obvious to most that cutler is going to be a huge upgrade to the bears (even though there is an argument that orton was coming into his own as a game manager).

but you're either

a) trying to provoke people around here with your rhetoric
b) a luke warm packer fan at best

I'm personally going with a, but its anyones guess at this point.

You cant be serious? Lets see, an average game manager, over someone that strikes fear in opposing secondaries...hmmm
Orton isnt even locked in to start in Denver! Its amusing how some of you heap praise on Orton now that he is no longer a Bear. He as a serviceable QB yes, but not one that any team really felt they had to prepare for.

So now Cutler "strikes fear in opposing secondaries"???
Perhaps I should accentuate the absurdity with:

It is extremely rare for any pro athlete to fear another. Favre didn't "strike fear" in them. They knew he might pull off a play to beat them, but they also knew he might dish up an interception opportunity. Cutler is similar, but not to the same degree on the "might beat you" scale. Most relish the challenge of the situation, and have confidence that they will succeed. That's what makes them pros.

[Patler]

Not making that up. Google it, search all you want, there has NEVER been one player on his team or coach that from last year or beyond that ever had anything to say about the kid. The only thing that has been said from about him from his teammates and coaches were positive things. So YES, I take there word over a disgruntled FAN any day.

You will take "...there (sic) word"? What word? You claim they said nothing. There is no word to take.

The Bear fan in Denver likely was referring to those bits of information you get on a local level from reporters who have direct access to the locker room, players, etc. and comments you get from players indirectly. The way they say things, as much as what they say.

So at least one fully committed, unabashed, lifelong Bear fan with a more complete feel than you or me for what Cutler has been to date in the NFL does not share you optimism. Of course, that does not mean that Cutler might not change, develop, mature.

One thing that this will give the Bears is a stable starter at QB, something they haven't had in a long time. Cutler will not be second guessed this season, or maybe even next even if 2009 does not go well. That alone will be an improvement.