Cutler an elite QB?

[falco]

Why? Cuz I'm not shooting off my mouth about Cutler not succeeding before he ever plays a down for the Bears? Talk about a bunch of idiots..

Like many did about Rodgers?

[Lurker64]

Cutler is not an elite QB until he wins consistently for a few years and leads his team to the playoffs more than once.

I think this is the correct take. A QB is not elite based on "what he can do", he's elite based on "what he has done and what he continues to be able to do."

To qualify for elite status a QB really needs to be able to:

1) Have his team in the playoff hunt nearly every year on the strength of his arm.

2) Go deep into playoffs on multiple occasions.

3) Post excellent individual statistics.

Cutler has #3 but has neither #1 nor #2, in fact he's not had a winning season in the NFL or college. This is also why the mantra of "if you don't have an elite QB you should be looking to replace the guy you have with someone elite" is asinine; since no QB starts out with elite status. It's something they get by continually playing well, and virtually anybody could achieve it (#1 overall picks, #199 overall picks, etc.)

[HarveyWallbangers]

Why? Cuz I'm not shooting off my mouth about Cutler not succeeding before he ever plays a down for the Bears? Talk about a bunch of idiots..

Like many did about Rodgers?

A quick search found somebody said this about Rodgers before last year.

What has Rodgers ever done to you that makes you want him to fail? Its like you'd rather be right then have the Packers win. I dont get it.

Not at all.. I just don't think he is going to do well... To be totally honest, I'm just flat out sick of hearing about how amazing he is because he happened to play well in one game.. how in the world u base him on that is beyond me.

[pbmax]

Cutler did heave a good number of balls to the opposition. But that's only half the story. What was the differential between TD rates and Int rates? I am glad you asked:

Rk 	Name/Team ..............IntRate	TDRate	RateDiffer
01	Philip Rivers, SD.........2.30%	7.11%	4.81%
02	Seneca Wallace, Sea. .....1.24%	4.55%	3.31%
03	Aaron Rodgers, GB ........2.43%	5.22%	2.80%
04	Peyton Manning, Ind ......2.16%	4.86%	2.70%
05	Drew Brees, NO ...........2.68%	5.35%	2.68%
06	Kurt Warner, Ari .........2.34%	5.02%	2.68%
07	Tony Romo, Dal ...........3.11%	5.78%	2.67%
08	Chad Pennington, Mia .....1.47%	3.99%	2.52%
09	Eli Manning, NYG .........2.09%	4.38%	2.30%
10	Donovan McNabb, Phi ......1.93%	4.03%	2.10%
11	Matt Cassel, NE ..........2.13%	4.07%	1.94%
12	Shaun Hill, SF ...........2.78%	4.51%	1.74%
13	Jeff Garcia, TB ..........1.60%	3.19%	1.60%
14	Tyler Thigpen, KC ........2.86%	4.29%	1.43%
15	Jason Campbell, Was ......1.19%	2.57%	1.38%
16	JaMarcus Russell, Oak ....2.17%	3.53%	1.36%
17	Matt Schaub, Hou .........2.63%	3.95%	1.32%
18	Kyle Orton, Chi ..........2.58%	3.87%	1.29%
19	Kerry Collins, Ten .......1.69%	2.89%	1.20%
20	Matt Ryan, Atl ...........2.53%	3.69%	1.15%
21	Jay Cutler, Den ..........2.92%	4.06%	1.14%
22	Jake Delhomme, Car .......2.90%	3.62%	0.72%
23	Joe Flacco, Bal ..........2.80%	3.27%	0.47%
24	Ben Roethlisberger, Pit ..3.20%	3.62%	0.43%
25	David Garrard, Jac .......2.43%	2.80%	0.37%
26	Derek Anderson, Cle ......2.83%	3.18%	0.35%
27	Trent Edwards, Buf .......2.67%	2.94%	0.27%
28	Dan Orlovsky, Det ........3.14%	3.14%	0.00%
29	Brett Favre, NYJ .........4.21%	4.21%	0.00%
30	Ryan Fitzpatrick, Cin ....2.42%	2.15%	-0.27%
31	Marc Bulger, StL .........2.95%	2.50%	-0.45%
32	Gus Frerotte, Min ........4.98%	3.99%	-1.00%

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why? Cuz I'm not shooting off my mouth about Cutler not succeeding before he ever plays a down for the Bears? Talk about a bunch of idiots..

Like many did about Rodgers?

A quick search found somebody said this about Rodgers before last year.

What has Rodgers ever done to you that makes you want him to fail? Its like you'd rather be right then have the Packers win. I dont get it.

Not at all.. I just don't think he is going to do well... To be totally honest, I'm just flat out sick of hearing about how amazing he is because he happened to play well in one game.. how in the world u base him on that is beyond me.

brutal

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Cutler instantly makes the Bears receivers better in the same manner BF made Bill Schroeder a good receiver in the Packer offense.

I'm not sure they have any WR's quite as talented as Schroeder was. Still, 10 points for the Bill Schroeder reference. Didn't think I'd ever hear that name again outside of a FS-WI Brewers telecast. Well done sir.

First, can somebody please remind me when Bill Schroeder was a good receiver again? I keep forgetting.

Don't get Tyrone started on white WRs, the media, and fans...haven't seen dicksucking like that since jenna jameson was in her youth.

[KYPack]

this shit talking about Cutler could get rough if he beats the shit outta us this year... hope some of you can get the foot outta ur mouth if it happens

Thank you,

Oh Wise One.

[Scott Campbell]

Why? Cuz I'm not shooting off my mouth about Cutler not succeeding before he ever plays a down for the Bears? Talk about a bunch of idiots..

Like many did about Rodgers?

A quick search found somebody said this about Rodgers before last year.

What has Rodgers ever done to you that makes you want him to fail? Its like you'd rather be right then have the Packers win. I dont get it.

Not at all.. I just don't think he is going to do well... To be totally honest, I'm just flat out sick of hearing about how amazing he is because he happened to play well in one game.. how in the world u base him on that is beyond me.

I bow to the master.

[The Leaper]

Cutler isn't elite because Denver got rid of him.

No NFL team would get rid of a young elite QB...not even Oakland. I think.

[SnakeLH2006]

The interesting thing is how long will it take Jay Cutler to have a winning season, since he hasn't had one since high school.

In 2004 for Vandy he was 2-9
In 2005 for Vandy he was 5-6
In 2006 for Denver he went 2-3
In 2007 for Denver he went 7-9
In 2008 for Denver he went 8-8.

Will this be the year he finally breaks through?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!! That is awesome. Just shows that he is overrated.

Definition: overrated

Anything that's given TOO much hype. The type of thing that, if you see it again, you're liable to check your self into a mental institution

High School Musical
Hannah Montana
Jay Cutler

Three examples of overrated crap.

Honestly, if I hear anything about the three I just mentioned one more time, I'm gonna kick a baby.

So is this guy gonna win anything, or just keep claiming 3 things that we all know are bunk?:

1) My arm is stronger than Brett/Elway ever!
2) I'm better than Elway in Denver!
3) Partial is my biggest fan and an Internet icon.

Great post, Lurker.

[Partial]

I disagree whole heartedly with a lot of your opinions. You all love Rodgers, but think Cutler is overrated? Cutler is a better athlete with a stronger arm. He, like many other players, wanted a contract extension and through a fit to get it. It's not THAT uncommon in todays world. That doesn't bother me much.

I think Cutler is the best QB in the division. He's shown more than Rodgers and been in the league less time.

When I make a comment about Rodgers record, it's all "oh, the defense this or oh the defense that". Yet when Cutler's teams have sucked balls it's "Cutler sucks his DEFENSE IS ALL MILKY WAY and he still sucks". I cannot stand homer attitudes.

[SnakeLH2006]

I disagree whole heartedly with a lot of your opinions. You all love Rodgers, but think Cutler is overrated? Cutler is a better athlete with a stronger arm. He, like many other players, wanted a contract extension and through a fit to get it. It's not THAT uncommon in todays world. That doesn't bother me much.

I think Cutler is the best QB in the division. He's shown more than Rodgers and been in the league less time.

When I make a comment about Rodgers record, it's all "oh, the defense this or oh the defense that". Yet when Cutler's teams have sucked balls it's "Cutler sucks his DEFENSE IS ALL MILKY WAY and he still sucks". I cannot stand homer attitudes.

If you are truly a Packer fan, you will burn your Jay Cutler posters in your room. At least do that.

[Dabaddestbear]

this shit talking about Cutler could get rough if he beats the shit outta us this year... hope some of you can get the foot outta ur mouth if it happens

Well, the Bears could beat up on the Packers this year, maybe because of Cutler, maybe for other reasons. The Packers have not played the Bears real well consistently since Lovie made it a franchise goal to beat the Packers.

If Cutler becomes a star, so be it. That doesn't mean he was a star up until now, or that the criticism of his play until now are not valid. I, for one, have no problem acknowledging greatness in players on other teams.

But are you guys really stating facts or opinion?
For one, a present day Packer fan should never use the win loss record as a measurement for a QB. Rodgers only won 6 games for his career! So he must suck also right?

And I read all these Packer fan postings and I guarantee more than half of you will not reply to a post in regards to Cutler being so bad if he rips the Packers a new one in week one. You can put me down on record and save this post (for I will be saving all of these by you guys), that Cutler will vastly improve the Bears, and they will be better than last year. Which may not bode well for the Packers, since the no Bears and their no talented WR's were able to beat the Packers with a much lesser QB. By the way, that QB (Orton) is battling just to be the starter for Denver.

This season gonna be so much more enjoyable just because of these post you guys are making. Have fun.

[sharpe1027]

But are you guys really stating facts or opinion?
For one, a present day Packer fan should never use the win loss record as a measurement for a QB. Rodgers only won 6 games for his career! So he must suck also right?

And I read all these Packer fan postings and I guarantee more than half of you will not reply to a post in regards to Cutler being so bad if he rips the Packers a new one in week one. You can put me down on record and save this post (for I will be saving all of these by you guys), that Cutler will vastly improve the Bears, and they will be better than last year. Which may not bode well for the Packers, since the no Bears and their no talented WR's were able to beat the Packers with a much lesser QB. By the way, that QB (Orton) is battling just to be the starter for Denver.

This season gonna be so much more enjoyable just because of these post you guys are making. Have fun.

Both. Take the facts, apply them to the situation and form an opinion. Some call it a rationale discussion. Have a go at it, it is fun.

[Patler]

this shit talking about Cutler could get rough if he beats the shit outta us this year... hope some of you can get the foot outta ur mouth if it happens

Well, the Bears could beat up on the Packers this year, maybe because of Cutler, maybe for other reasons. The Packers have not played the Bears real well consistently since Lovie made it a franchise goal to beat the Packers.

If Cutler becomes a star, so be it. That doesn't mean he was a star up until now, or that the criticism of his play until now are not valid. I, for one, have no problem acknowledging greatness in players on other teams.

But are you guys really stating facts or opinion?
For one, a present day Packer fan should never use the win loss record as a measurement for a QB. Rodgers only won 6 games for his career! So he must suck also right?

And I read all these Packer fan postings and I guarantee more than half of you will not reply to a post in regards to Cutler being so bad if he rips the Packers a new one in week one. You can put me down on record and save this post (for I will be saving all of these by you guys), that Cutler will vastly improve the Bears, and they will be better than last year. Which may not bode well for the Packers, since the no Bears and their no talented WR's were able to beat the Packers with a much lesser QB. By the way, that QB (Orton) is battling just to be the starter for Denver.

This season gonna be so much more enjoyable just because of these post you guys are making. Have fun.

I'm not sure why you picked my post to challenge, but since you did, I'll play!.

I posted comments from a Denver resident who has watched Cutler's entire NFL career to date, happens to be a life-long Bear fan, and isn't excited at all about Cutler in Chicago. I guess that is a factual report of mixed facts an opinions. My report was factual, his comments were both fact and his opinion based on facts and his first-hand observations.

I acknowledged that Chicago might mature him. I guess that's opinion, but is it really one that you want to dispute, or complain about?

I acknowledged the Bears success against GB under Smith (fact), and said I will have no problem recognizing Cutler as a star if he becomes one (promise,I guess; not fact, not opinion). Will you do the same for Rodgers?

Opinions mostly by all of us? OF COURSE! What else did you expect to get here? Are your posts anything other than opinions? Especially those about Cutler? We form opinions based on facts, rumors, reports, suppositions and even our own desires thrown into the mix. That's what its all about.

The difference on Packerrats is that, for the most part, the participants are realistic. Do you find anyone on here suggesting that Adrian Peterson (Viking version) sucks? Heck, most acknowledge that he might be the best back in the league right now.

Should I accept your OPINION about Cutler more than that of a Bear fan in Denver who has followed Cutler's career in great detail? How much have you seen him play? How much have you followed his off fielld activities? How much do you know about him? Perhaps you will be right, but for the time being I believe the Denver resident Bear fan has the better information on the topic.

If Cutler becomes a star, I think you will find that most on here will admit it, even if a bit grudgingly. Again I ask, will you do the same for Rodgers?