FAVRE: Good Vibes Thread

[MOBB DEEP]

i think wat gets lost, tho, is that brett doesnt hate us packer/nfl fans; he just hates TT.

No, that much isn't lost. We all understand that.

What gets lost is that Favre can't stick it to TT without hurting the Packers. It's not possible. How are Packer fans supposed to view this? How are we supposed to react?

SERIOUSLY gun, do u think favre has anything against his former teammates or packerbackers?

im not sayn he's being rational but he just doesnt see any other way to "save face"

he needs a therapeutic session with me; the ultimate encouraging therapist in the DC metropolitan area - lol.....excuse the arrogance God

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: Favre

So now is'nt it hypocritical as Packer fans if we rip him because that same heart and desire that we loved when he wore Green and Gold are behind his motivation to stick it to Teddy?

Substitute "the Green Bay Packers" for the name "Teddy" at the end of that sentence. And there you have it. The reason why many Packer fans are upset over the whole deal. Many of us view Thompson as the top representitive of the Packers, and realize that there isn't any way for Favre to stick it to Teddy without impacting the rest of the team and it's fans.

Is there any way you can think of for Favre to get back at Thompson in such a manner that it would have no impact on the Packers chances of winning the NFC North and contending for a Super Bowl? If there is, does Favre have to join the Vikings to make it work?

I can appreciate his competitiveness and heart. However, I don't agree that he was wronged any more than anyone else in this league who has been released or traded. So no, I don't agree with his motivation to stick it to the Packers. I would hope that he could appreciate the NFL for the business it is, appreciate the fact that he's only an employee of that business and that nothing is guaranteed, appreciate the motivation for Thompson to move ahead with Rodgers, and accept the consequences of his retirement and subsequent unretirement.

He doesn't "deserve" to play for whoever he wants to play for (well, until this year when he is no longer contractually obligated to play for anyone in particular). He deserves to play, I'd agree with that. And if he wasn't so dead set on a particular team - meaning he left open the possibility he'd play for someone else as long as he could play - I wouldn't be so upset by it. But, as you said, he's dead set on sticking it to ole Teddy - and by extension, sticking it to ole Teddy will mean sticking it to the Packers as a whole. I can't support that.

good points tho about it being a BUSINESS!

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Favre

My problem is with these morons who rip Favre for his play after being injured and diminish what the injury did to his ability to play QB.

How do you feel about morons who rip Ted for drafting underclassmen like Justin Harrell, when they could have drafted seniors like Reggie Nelson?

[Gunakor]

i think wat gets lost, tho, is that brett doesnt hate us packer/nfl fans; he just hates TT.

No, that much isn't lost. We all understand that.

What gets lost is that Favre can't stick it to TT without hurting the Packers. It's not possible. How are Packer fans supposed to view this? How are we supposed to react?

SERIOUSLY gun, do u think favre has anything against his former teammates or packerbackers?

im not sayn he's being rational but he just doesnt see any other way to "save face"

he needs a therapeutic session with me; the ultimate encouraging therapist in the DC metropolitan area - lol.....excuse the arrogance God

No, I don't think he has anything against his former teammates or Packer fans. That's irrelevant. His intent is to only stick it to Thompson, I get that. Now, do you get the fact that sticking it to Thompson negatively affects more than just Thompson himself? Don't you think that he should see it for what it is? The fact that he has nothing against the Packers or their fans doesn't mean that what he's trying to do won't affect the Packers or their fans.

Is there a way for Favre to stick it to Thompson without involving his former teammates or fans? If so, I could actually support that to an extent. I'm not trying to imply that Thompson handled everything perfectly, although I think he handled things as best he could. But I understand the beef between those two men specifically - so if revenge could be had in a manner that only affected those two men and didn't hurt the team's chances of success I could get behind that. But there isn't one. Favre sticking it to Thompson means he'd be hurting those very people he has nothing at all against. That's what it is. Are you okay with that?

[PlantPage55]

Is there a way for Favre to stick it to Thompson without involving his former teammates or fans?

That's exactly the key, isn't it? The answer is "no" - not by him playing football anyway.

He could light a bag of dog shit on fire and stick it on TT's doorstep and that's perfectly fine....but if he plays football for the Vikings, then no, he is an enemy to Packers as long as he is a Viking and hurts our team IF he has any success with them.

[Gunakor]

Is there a way for Favre to stick it to Thompson without involving his former teammates or fans?

That's exactly the key, isn't it? The answer is "no" - not by him playing football anyway.

He could light a bag of dog shit on fire and stick it on TT's doorstep and that's perfectly fine....but if he plays football for the Vikings, then no, he is an enemy to Packers as long as he is a Viking and hurts our team IF he has any success with them.

I'd laugh my ass off if he set a burning bag of dog shit on TT's doorstep

[Packnut]

Re: Favre

So now is'nt it hypocritical as Packer fans if we rip him because that same heart and desire that we loved when he wore Green and Gold are behind his motivation to stick it to Teddy?

Substitute "the Green Bay Packers" for the name "Teddy" at the end of that sentence. And there you have it. The reason why many Packer fans are upset over the whole deal. Many of us view Thompson as the top representitive of the Packers, and realize that there isn't any way for Favre to stick it to Teddy without impacting the rest of the team and it's fans.

Is there any way you can think of for Favre to get back at Thompson in such a manner that it would have no impact on the Packers chances of winning the NFC North and contending for a Super Bowl? If there is, does Favre have to join the Vikings to make it work?

I can appreciate his competitiveness and heart. However, I don't agree that he was wronged any more than anyone else in this league who has been released or traded. So no, I don't agree with his motivation to stick it to the Packers. I would hope that he could appreciate the NFL for the business it is, appreciate the fact that he's only an employee of that business and that nothing is guaranteed, appreciate the motivation for Thompson to move ahead with Rodgers, and accept the consequences of his retirement and subsequent unretirement.

He doesn't "deserve" to play for whoever he wants to play for (well, until this year when he is no longer contractually obligated to play for anyone in particular). He deserves to play, I'd agree with that. And if he wasn't so dead set on a particular team - meaning he left open the possibility he'd play for someone else as long as he could play - I wouldn't be so upset by it. But, as you said, he's dead set on sticking it to ole Teddy - and by extension, sticking it to ole Teddy will mean sticking it to the Packers as a whole. I can't support that.

I guess that's where we differ. I don't view Ted Thompson as "The Packers" anymore than I viewed him as "The Seahawks". He's just like the players. It's strictly a business to him. It's a job, no more no less.

Here, may-be you'll understand the hypocrisy behind your opinion with this analogy. If Teddy got fired tomorrow do you really think he'd turn down his next job offer out of loyalty to the Packer organization and it's fans? Hell no. And if by chance, he got a job as the Bears GM or Vikes GM do you really think he would'nt savor the chance to beat us?

This whole Favre vs Thompson saga has no right or wrong answer. That's the sad thing about it. There is no villain. Neither person did anything "wrong". Favre had a right to change his mind. He had a right to come back as our #1 QB. He earned that right by playing hurt when no other player would have. He earned that right showing up every fucking game and playing his heart out. He earned it by the career year he had in 07.

Now, a case can be made that Teddy had to move on. It was A-Rod's time. He had to find out if he made the right choice in making Rodgers the heir apparent to Brett when he drafted him. I dis-agree with how he handled it but that's neither here nor there.

Now, from a football standpoint, as a Packer fan, Brett Favre at QB for the Vikes is a terrifying thought. We of all people know what a healthy Favre can do with a running game and a little protection no matter who his WR's are. The fact is the 2007 Favre at QB for this Vikings team would be hard to stop. I could see them winning it all just from an x's and o's viewpoint.

However, I don't see a 40 yr old QB who's body has been beat to hell being able to play a full NFL season. Father time is the great equalizer.

[Packnut]

Re: Favre

My problem is with these morons who rip Favre for his play after being injured and diminish what the injury did to his ability to play QB.

How do you feel about morons who rip Ted for drafting underclassmen like Justin Harrell, when they could have drafted seniors like Reggie Nelson?

What the fuck are you talking about? It's been proven based on results Nelson would have been a better pick. I was right about that one, unlike you who has'nt ben right about ANYTHING!

[ThunderDan]

Re: Favre

Here, may-be you'll understand the hypocrisy behind your opinion with this analogy. If Teddy got fired tomorrow do you really think he'd turn down his next job offer out of loyalty to the Packer organization and it's fans? Hell no. And if by chance, he got a job as the Bears GM or Vikes GM do you really think he would'nt savor the chance to beat us?

That is why fans have been demanding Holmgren Way to be renamed. People were and still are pissed that MH went to the Seahags.

Have we cheered for TT for 16 years? Has he gotten us a SB trophy? As fans we don't have as much invested in TT as we did emotionally with BF.

If after 7 years as GM and two Superbowls TT went to Chicago for more money I would be pissed at TT and the BOD for letting him walk. I would flame him big time.

[Bossman641]

Re: Favre

My problem is with these morons who rip Favre for his play after being injured and diminish what the injury did to his ability to play QB.

How do you feel about morons who rip Ted for drafting underclassmen like Justin Harrell, when they could have drafted seniors like Reggie Nelson?

What the fuck are you talking about? It's been proven based on results Nelson would have been a better pick. I was right about that one, unlike you who has'nt ben right about ANYTHING!

Your reasoning was dead wrong though.

You said there's 2 things you don't do as GM - select a player who has been chronically injured, and select an underclassmen.

Your solution, Reggie Nelson, was both of those things. Harrell was neither. Adrian Peterson was both of those things.

That's why the draft is a crapshoot.

[Pacopete4]

Re: Favre

That's why the draft is a crapshoot.

totally agreed... theres no saying that Raji or Matthews will be any good ever.. or hell they both could be the best player at their position for 10 years... its hard to judge how a player will switch to the NFL game and its all about a player getting put in the right situations ala Brett Favre.


The thing people have bitched about was that it seems as though TT never is trying to win now.. like hes never going after the guy that might put us near the top or over it whether or not its the draft or free agency...


the reason people are so excited about this years draft is cuz he did trade up... will it pan out? We'll see in due time..

[Lurker64]

I hope that Favre is eating a diet rich in dietary fiber.

[cpk1994]

I can understand those backing Favre and wanting him to play purely for the entertainment value it provides. This is the viewpoint Mobb has. This is also the view the article provides, "Favre is still in the top half of QB's, it'll be fun to watch, let him come back." It's hard to argue with that logic and I can't disagree with it.

As a PACKER fan though, I can't understand anyone backing Favre because they want to see him stick it to TT or because they want to see him do well and win a SB. That is in direct conflict of what a Packer fan should want.

Because Thompson ain't the fucking Packers.

As Thompson goes, so go the Packers. There's no way for Favre to get even with Thompson, without it also effecting the team.

what if favre has the BEST game of his career and aaron stinks yet packers win?! i could live with that as a favre/packer lover

would be win-win since TT would have to admit favre woulda been good addtion last year

TT isn't going to admit squat. He has no reason to. ONe bad game by Aaron will not change that. You are delusional(or apart of the Favre Cult)to beleve otherwise.

[Gunakor]

Re: Favre

Here, may-be you'll understand the hypocrisy behind your opinion with this analogy. If Teddy got fired tomorrow do you really think he'd turn down his next job offer out of loyalty to the Packer organization and it's fans? Hell no. And if by chance, he got a job as the Bears GM or Vikes GM do you really think he would'nt savor the chance to beat us?

In reality, the only thing that matters is the here and now. So I hadn't thought of it that way, but since you bring it up, I suppose I'd feel the same way if Thompson handled his release the same way. You know, if he made revenge the emphasis behind his next employment and did so publicly. If he just quietly went on and took his next job, without fueling a media circus by going on national television taking shots against his former employer and vowing revenge, I'd wish him luck and hope he gets his ass kicked twice a year by the Packers. Same as the pro-Favre crowd here views the Favre in this situation.

If Favre had just quietly taken his next job, kept his ego in check, stayed out of the media, and just focused on winning football games rather than proving a point, he'd still have my full support. If Thompson took his next job with the Bears and declared his next mission in life is to beat the Packers, ala Lovie Smith, I'd jump on him same as I have Favre.

[pbmax]

I was trying to start a perfectly good feud with PB about Favre's hair, and you guys mess it all up.

But I'm not backing down. I don't care what the spigots say. Favre looks like a moran (thanks, Nutz) with that close-shaven look. He'd look oodles better with a long grey pony tail.

Or maybe a mullet. I'd be willing to compromise that much. I'm a rational person.

I don't know what the rest of this hullabaloo about retirement and deadlines, but I can tell you this: A source inside the Favre Family Beauty Salon told me that if he were to grow his hair out to a ponytail or mullet as has been suggested by some supporters of terrorism, that Favre would look less like Fabio and more like the Crypt Keeper.

Yes, you have heard it here first, part of Favre's short crop haircut was to support his wife, but also was a Matt Lauer attempt to conceal some "shortcoming" in the follicle department. I don't even think the most venomous Favre pineapples would want that. Stay tuned for more scalp coverage. Brought to you by Propecia.