Nelson or Jones

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd add.

1. Andre Johnson..bigger and much faster
2. Fitz..bigger and slightly faster with elite ball skills and body control
3. Smith...faster with elite quickness and route running ability
4. Roddy White..faster
5. Jennings...faster with elite route running and yards after catch ability
6. Brandon Marshall...bigger and faster
7. Bryant...same
8. Welker...smaller with elite quickness and hands
9. Wayne..faster with elite route running ability and Peyton Manning
10. Vincent Jacson...much bigger and maybe faster also

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You shouldn't be looking at guys like Q, etc, because they are the statistical outliers....go and look at the tons of mediocre players with Jones' measureables.

That's why I went and looked at the top 10 last year. I'd say that's a pretty good group to use as comparsion (even though I don't consider him great, only really good).

You dont' understand outliers then. And you certainly dont' see his marginal playing speed..which was a criticism coming out of college

1. Andre Johnson..bigger and faster.
2. Fitz..bigger and slightly faster
3. Smith...faster
4. Roddy White..faster
5. Jennings...faster
6. Brandon Marshall...bigger
7. Bryant...same
8. Welker...smaller
9. Wayne..faster
10. Vincent Jacson...bigger

So, out of the top ten, you have one that has the same measurements in Bryant, and 2 that are smaller.

Sorry, but that doesn't bode well for your argument.

LOL Jennings at 5 despite you saying he wasn't even top 15 a month or so ago. Ty, you crack me up bro.

With that said, I still didn't see anything great out of whitey this year. He didn't have a stand out game that I can recall, yet I can recall many games where Jones was an X factor to start last year.

The dude was injured last year. Let it go. I also don't understand the comparison to top 10 receivers. That's a little premature, dontchathink?

To me, Jordy looks taller, but lankier and slower. Better hands? I'm not so sure as James Jones is known for his hands.

[HarveyWallbangers]

LOL Jennings at 5 despite you saying he wasn't even top 15 a month or so ago. Ty, you crack me up bro.

That's the top 10 statistically last year, I believe.

With that said, I still didn't see anything great out of whitey this year. He didn't have a stand out game that I can recall, yet I can recall many games where Jones was an X factor to start last year.

To me, Jordy looks taller, but lankier and slower. Better hands? I'm not so sure as James Jones is known for his hands.

LOL. I wish you scouted for the Vikings.

The wide receivers dropped 24 of 359 targeted passes for a drop rate of 6.69%, their poorest since 7.87% in 2002. The unit dropped 4.11% in 2006 and 5.63% in '07.

Jordy Nelson had the best hands, dropping just one ball in 53 attempts (1.89%). Donald Driver dropped seven of 113 (6.2%), Greg Jennings dropped nine of 138 (6.52%), Ruvell Martin dropped three of 26 (11.54%) and James Jones dropped four of 29 (13.8%). Lee dropped four of 49 (8.16%), Brandon Jackson dropped two of 39 (5.1%) and Grant dropped two of 22 (9.1%).

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Surprised by those numbers. Jones is known for his hands. Very surprised they're that poor.

[Lurker64]

Surprised by those numbers. Jones is known for his hands. Very surprised they're that poor.

I don't think you're giving Jordy enough credit, leading up to the draft the scouting report on him was essentially:

1) Amazing hands.
2) Gives 100% on every play.
3) Excellent blocker, and a physical player.
4) Has some good moves, and does well in traffic.
5) Great intangibles , A+ character, a self made guy and a hard worker.
6) Not ideally fast (4.5) or quick, but good enough to play in the NFL.

Seriously, watch one of his senior year highlight videos on youtube (I like This one, despite the stupid title) and let me know what you think of his hands.

From my own experience watching the games, James Jones has very strong hands, but Nelson's hands aren't much less strong and he's got a softer touch when he catches the ball ( and he shows really good concentration when catching the ball too.)

Regardless though, it's not really who's "the #3 receiver" as the past couple years with McCarthy have demonstrated that he likes to have receivers with different skillsets and he runs plays to take advantage of those skills. So you'll see all mixtures of however many receivers we have active on game day. Last year, McCarthy liked to have both Nelson and Martin in as the WRs in short yardage because both those guys are very physical so you can throw to them in traffic, and both are excellent run blockers, even though they're not the #1 and #2 guys.

Hell, if you want to take 6 WRs into the season, can you imagine the running plays McCarthy would devise out of the four WR set formation when 3 of his WRs are Nelson (6-3 220), Martin (6-4 220), and Jamarko Simmons (6-2 230), plus Driver or Jennings to keep the defense honest? Aside from Jennings and Driver, we do have an unusually beefy WR core.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You shouldn't be looking at guys like Q, etc, because they are the statistical outliers....go and look at the tons of mediocre players with Jones' measureables.

That's why I went and looked at the top 10 last year. I'd say that's a pretty good group to use as comparsion (even though I don't consider him great, only really good).

You dont' understand outliers then. And you certainly dont' see his marginal playing speed..which was a criticism coming out of college

1. Andre Johnson..bigger and faster.
2. Fitz..bigger and slightly faster
3. Smith...faster
4. Roddy White..faster
5. Jennings...faster
6. Brandon Marshall...bigger
7. Bryant...same
8. Welker...smaller
9. Wayne..faster
10. Vincent Jacson...bigger

So, out of the top ten, you have one that has the same measurements in Bryant, and 2 that are smaller.

Sorry, but that doesn't bode well for your argument.

LOL Jennings at 5 despite you saying he wasn't even top 15 a month or so ago. Ty, you crack me up bro.

With that said, I still didn't see anything great out of whitey this year. He didn't have a stand out game that I can recall, yet I can recall many games where Jones was an X factor to start last year.

The dude was injured last year. Let it go. I also don't understand the comparison to top 10 receivers. That's a little premature, dontchathink?

To me, Jordy looks taller, but lankier and slower. Better hands? I'm not so sure as James Jones is known for his hands.

Do you work at being an idiot.

I am working with the criteria presented to me by Justin. He is using the stats presented by ESPN.

Does it ever get tiring removing your head from your ass?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Surprised by those numbers. Jones is known for his hands. Very surprised they're that poor.

Stick to your position. Stats mean nothing.

[RashanGary]

I remember Jones having great hands his rookie year (although he did have fumble problems). I thought Jones hands were better than Jennings and Drivers two years ago (just my impression).

Last year I do remember him dropping a lot of balls and getting tackled by air. That injury hurt him badly IMHO. It appeared that he was constantly worried about the pain and never himself.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That injury hurt him badly IMHO. It appeared that he was constantly worried about the pain and never himself.

I would agree with this. I think he'll bounce back and play like his rookie year. Maybe he'll play a little better. Just don't see greatness. But I guess we know where each other stands now.

[RashanGary]

That injury hurt him badly IMHO. It appeared that he was constantly worried about the pain and never himself.

I would agree with this. I think he'll bounce back and play like his rookie year. Maybe he'll play a little better. Just don't see greatness. But I guess we know where each other stands now.

I don't think greatness either. A notch below Driver is my prediction of him. Good #2 receiver caliber.

[Scott Campbell]

Can he hold on to the ball?

[sharpe1027]

Trying to predict just how good Jones will end up being is one thing. Comparing him to Jordy is another.

My take. Jones has shown more than Jordy. I like them both, but I was rather underwhelmed by Jordy. He was consistent at catching the ball and a good blocker, but did he have much YAC? Did he get separation? Was he a target the red zone? Did he make many big plays?

Pretty much a big fat NO across the board. Not saying he can't do those things, but given equal oppurtunitites and health, Jones showed me more. Maybe he looks slow sometimes, maybe he went down easy on some plays, but damn if he doesn't find a way to get open down the field and make some plays with the ball in his hands (assuming he doesn't drop the ball).

[rbaloha1]

Trying to predict just how good Jones will end up being is one thing. Comparing him to Jordy is another.

My take. Jones has shown more than Jordy. I like them both, but I was rather underwhelmed by Jordy. He was consistent at catching the ball and a good blocker, but did he have much YAC? Did he get separation? Was he a target the red zone? Did he make many big plays?

Pretty much a big fat NO across the board. Not saying he can't do those things, but given equal oppurtunitites and health, Jones showed me more. Maybe he looks slow sometimes, maybe he went down easy on some plays, but damn if he doesn't find a way to get open down the field and make some plays with the ball in his hands (assuming he doesn't drop the ball).

IMO you are being too critical of Nelson. The dude was a rookie on a team with established veterans.

The question who has more upside and eventually the starter opposite Jennings.

[sharpe1027]

Trying to predict just how good Jones will end up being is one thing. Comparing him to Jordy is another.

My take. Jones has shown more than Jordy. I like them both, but I was rather underwhelmed by Jordy. He was consistent at catching the ball and a good blocker, but did he have much YAC? Did he get separation? Was he a target the red zone? Did he make many big plays?

Pretty much a big fat NO across the board. Not saying he can't do those things, but given equal oppurtunitites and health, Jones showed me more. Maybe he looks slow sometimes, maybe he went down easy on some plays, but damn if he doesn't find a way to get open down the field and make some plays with the ball in his hands (assuming he doesn't drop the ball).

IMO you are being too critical of Nelson. The dude was a rookie on a team with established veterans.

The question who has more upside and eventually the starter opposite Jennings.

I don't get all the excuses for Nelson but not for Jones. It seems that being critical of Nelson is wrong, while being critical of Jones is just good analysis. Sure Nelson was on team with some Vets ahead of hime, but wasn't Nelson on the same team as Jones?

I don't doubt that Nelson might end up being good or even better than Jones, but there are a couple pages of posters being critical of Jones. I don't disagree that Jones has some big question marks, however, those critical of Jones should be equally critical of Nelson.

It is a close call, due to Jone's inconsistencies, but I just didn't see enough to make Nelson stand out. I voted Jones.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Go ahead. What would you criticize Nelson on? What abilities is he lacking? What are his strengths? I think I stated several times what I did and didn't like about both guys.