Where do the Favre lovers stand on Favre being a Viking?

[GrnBay007]

When I first saw this thread, I

Figured it was just another one of JH's ways to attempt to get Favre supporters to speak out and then have the "mob" jump all over them. ...in reality, his way of causing more separation of the forum and eventually leading to anyone supporting Favre to never speak again at PR.

After a day thinking about it, I decided WTF......take me or leave me as a "Packer fan".

I supported Brett Favre from day one. Along with many of you I was angered, frustrated with some of his decisions. But in looking back through the years, I realized he brought me way more enjoyment/happiness as a Packer fan then he ever did frustration. Sorry, I enjoy watching Brett Favre play football.

The Packers decided to move on to their new QB, AR. I wasn't happy about the situation last year but accepted it. And I promise all of you this....there is NO WAY any of you can say you know exactly what went down behind closed doors of the Packer organization. You can spout all this crap about interviews and what the media said and what not, but in the end NO ONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED! Please accept that. Aside from being a Packer fan, it's the intelligent thing to do.

Many of you say a Packer fan can't support Brett Favre now that he's no longer a Packer. I believe that's wrong. I watched every Jets game last year that I was able to, and I also got tickets on the 50 yard line (row 16) last season for my kids and myself to watch the Packers play Houston in Dec.

Seriously, you can be a fan of the game, you can support a specific player and yet you can still be a Packer fan. Anyone that claims that is not so is just a blind, hateful, idiot. And I seriously can't believe I've heard a couple people on this site say that they didn't care even if it was their brother playing QB for the Vikings, they would still cheer against them. Unreal! I'm hoping it was expressed in a Rah, Rah manner, because all in all family means everything. To those that express those feelings I'm wondering if you have ever sat holding the hand of your brother while he takes one of his last breaths of life? This is just an illustration of how ridiculous some of you sound while expressing your dislike/hate of Favre as he moves on with his career. Cheer for him or don't....but let the hate go. All it does is make you look childish and not able to appreciate life and success, but rather dwell in what you cannot change.

[Gunakor]

You can spout all this crap about interviews and what the media said and what not, but in the end NO ONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED! Please accept that. Aside from being a Packer fan, it's the intelligent thing to do.

Fair enough.

Now, can we come to our own conclusions based on what we DO know happened? I mean, instead of giving the benefit of the doubt based on what we don't know, are we allowed to criticize based on what we do know?

[RashanGary]

Thanks for the response.

We have very different perceptions of what went on. There are points where you just can't even go forward and find a common ground. When Favre has done everything in his power to make TT look bad (including a national interview with Greta in which he and Diana's stated goal was to "tell Brett's side" and a conversation with an opposing GM in which Favre gives insight into how to beat the Packers). When those things happen, when he tells his side and you still say he hadn't told his side, when that happens, we just have to agree to disagree.

Brett obviously has meant a lot to you. Hopefully you can find a way to appreciate the good old days without feeling so bitter than you can't bear to hear people who are disappointed in him. I imagine that's a tough place to be, when you're willing to leave a community you've spent this much time in because you just can't hear a contrary opinion.

[GrnBay007]

You can spout all this crap about interviews and what the media said and what not, but in the end NO ONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED! Please accept that. Aside from being a Packer fan, it's the intelligent thing to do.

Fair enough.

Now, can we come to our own conclusions based on what we DO know happened? I mean, instead of giving the benefit of the doubt based on what we don't know, are we allowed to criticize based on what we do know?

Well, you can come to your own conclusions anytime you want. Now, when you say what you DO know....yeah, I would have to question that. Saying what you do know has a direct relation to what you don't know. So really, why not just leave it alone and cheer for the players that are playing for the Packers now? Why do you feel such a need to dog on Favre and how things went down.....when above you agree you most likely don't have all the information?

[RashanGary]

007,

Let's put all differences aside here. Why do you think Favre set up the Greta interview?

[GrnBay007]

We have very different perceptions of what went on.

You are right. We do have very different perceptions of not only what went on, but how we deal with it. In believing we don't know all the facts, I have chose to support the Packers and Favre. You have chosen to believe speculation and therefore spout your hatred toward Favre.

There are points where you just can't even go forward and find a common ground. When Favre has done everything in his power to make TT look bad (including a national interview with Greta in which he and Diana's stated goal was to "tell Brett's side"and a conversation with an opposing GM in which Favre gives insight into how to beat the Packers).

TT pretty much told his side when he didn't want Favre back. (now, I'm not saying that was right or wrong....but you have to admit, he did make a huge statement)

And as far as the conversation went with the Lions GM, that was never proven and for all we know it was just propaganda during the bitter "divorce"

Brett obviously has meant a lot to you. Hopefully you can find a way to appreciate the good old days without feeling so bitter than you can't bear to hear people who are disappointed in him.

Nice try...lol I'm not bitter and I'm not leaving a community. (bummer, good try though JH!!)

[Scott Campbell]

Why do you feel such a need to dog on Favre and how things went down.....

Rooting against Favre is like rooting against Nick Bockwinkle. He was once was a face, but then became a heel.

[Gunakor]

You can spout all this crap about interviews and what the media said and what not, but in the end NO ONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED! Please accept that. Aside from being a Packer fan, it's the intelligent thing to do.

Fair enough.

Now, can we come to our own conclusions based on what we DO know happened? I mean, instead of giving the benefit of the doubt based on what we don't know, are we allowed to criticize based on what we do know?

Well, you can come to your own conclusions anytime you want. Now, when you say what you DO know....yeah, I would have to question that. Saying what you do know has a direct relation to what you don't know. So really, why not just leave it alone and cheer for the players that are playing for the Packers now? Why do you feel such a need to dog on Favre and how things went down.....when above you agree you most likely don't have all the information?

Of course. Nothing anyone has said since last summer is the truth. Everything is lies. Even what comes out of the horses mouth.

Why do I feel a need to dog Favre? Why does Favre feel a need to go on the Joe Buck show and compare his situation to Vince Lombardi? Why tell the media that the Packers are a dishonest organization? Why admit that you came back partly out of spite - as if anyone could feel any differently this year after that shocking admission?

I feel the need to dog Favre because Favre won't just shut the fuck up and play. I dog him because he IS a diva. He uses the media as a platform to voice his opinion on things he should not be speaking on - you know, like the PACKERS. If he'd just tell the media to go fuck themselves and head out to the practice field to play football, I'd have no reason to dog him. As it is, he can't keep his fucking mouth shut, and I dog him for it. I don't have to know all the facts. I just have to look at what comes out of Favre's mouth for a reason to dog him.

[GrnBay007]

Your opinion SC. Why don't you peacefully let others express their opinions?

[Scott Campbell]

Your opinion SC. Why don't you peacefully let others express their opinions?

Am I not disagreeing peacefully enough?

[GrnBay007]

Of course. Nothing anyone has said since last summer is the truth. Everything is lies. Even what comes out of the horses mouth.

Why do I feel a need to dog Favre? Why does Favre feel a need to go on the Joe Buck show and compare his situation to Vince Lombardi? Why tell the media that the Packers are a dishonest organization? Why admit that you came back partly out of spite - as if anyone could feel any differently this year after that shocking admission?

I feel the need to dog Favre because Favre won't just shut the fuck up and play. I dog him because he IS a diva. He uses the media as a platform to voice his opinion on things he should not be speaking on - you know, like the PACKERS. If he'd just tell the media to go fuck themselves and head out to the practice field to play football, I'd have no reason to dog him. As it is, he can't keep his fucking mouth shut, and I dog him for it. I don't have to know all the facts. I just have to look at what comes out of Favre's mouth for a reason to dog him.

How do you KNOW everything he has said since last summer is lies? See, that's my point....you and nobody here KNOWS.

As for the second part of your post, I guess I could ask you the same. He's no longer a Packer. Why do you feel the need to talk about him so much? He's in the media all the time because of WHO he is. Do you really think he asks for all that? Maybe you should just let things play out.....seems it would be less stressful for you.

[Scott Campbell]

I imagine some of us are having fun with this. The guy was once a hero. Now he's a villian. It's another good reason to get worked up over football.

I'm not nearly as outraged as I seem.

[Gunakor]

Of course. Nothing anyone has said since last summer is the truth. Everything is lies. Even what comes out of the horses mouth.

Why do I feel a need to dog Favre? Why does Favre feel a need to go on the Joe Buck show and compare his situation to Vince Lombardi? Why tell the media that the Packers are a dishonest organization? Why admit that you came back partly out of spite - as if anyone could feel any differently this year after that shocking admission?

I feel the need to dog Favre because Favre won't just shut the fuck up and play. I dog him because he IS a diva. He uses the media as a platform to voice his opinion on things he should not be speaking on - you know, like the PACKERS. If he'd just tell the media to go fuck themselves and head out to the practice field to play football, I'd have no reason to dog him. As it is, he can't keep his fucking mouth shut, and I dog him for it. I don't have to know all the facts. I just have to look at what comes out of Favre's mouth for a reason to dog him.

How do you KNOW everything he has said since last summer is lies? See, that's my point....you and nobody here KNOWS.

As for the second part of your post, I guess I could ask you the same. He's no longer a Packer. Why do you feel the need to talk about him so much? He's in the media all the time because of WHO he is. Do you really think he asks for all that? Maybe you should just let things play out.....seems it would be less stressful for you.

I don't even THINK what Favre said last summer is lies. That's the part of it that I'm referring to when I say I'm forming my own conclusions based on what I do know. It's not what Thompson said. It's what Favre said. It's the admissions from the opposing side of the argument that I base my feelings on, not the statements from the side I support.

Why do I feel the need to talk about him? Because he hasn't dropped it. He drops it, then we drop it. That's also because of WHO he is.

Do I think he's asking for media attention? GRETA. Yes, I do. And even if I didn't, I think he's still quite capable of telling the media to piss off. "No comment" is an acceptable and often used quote given to the media. Maybe Brett should learn what it means and put it to use.

[RashanGary]

Here's where I think we mainly disagree.


I've heard Nutz' view on Favre.

He said he went to Thompson and asked for certain things and Thompson told him he'd get it done. Thompson didn't get it done so Favre was pissed.

Favre didn't know if he wanted to come back, was pressured to make a decision and then when he realized he wanted to come back, he wasn't wanted back so he got pissed.

Favre has every right to ask the GM to do certain things and every right to expect that they get done. He believes that Thompson did promise these things and then deliberately didn't do them in an effort to anger Brett or push him out the door.

They believe Favre earned the right to pretty much call his shots by everything he's done.

I think worst case, this is what the Favre supporters believe. This is why Brett was wronged and why Thompson is a snake. That's how I understand the argument. I can't dream up worse one that comes close to fitting what went down.




Many of us Thompson supporters see an honest guy that hasn't been shown to be dishonest through any of this. We see an organization that made a decision to go with Aaron after an offseason where Brett was at home and Aaron was working with the team. We see a team that values working together and offseason work.

I think Thompson would listen to Brett, and consider his opinion, but ultimately make his own decision. I don't fault Ted for that. I don't think Brett should go to Ted with these types of requests because it's not his place but I think he's been used to having some GM power and the previous regimes let him get this out of control.

I don't like that Brett doesn't work with the team in the offseason. I think football players should love their job and want to be there. I think they should feel committed to their teammates and committed to the goal. If I was a GM, I'd try to get those kinds of people. I think that's a big reason why the Packers moved on from Brett. He was doing everything McCarthy preaches not to do and then he was being propped up for it. The whole thing just set a bad example and was against what this team seems to believe.

[GrnBay007]

I don't even THINK what Favre said last summer is lies. That's the part of it that I'm referring to when I say I'm forming my own conclusions based on what I do know. It's not what Thompson said. It's what Favre said. It's the admissions from the opposing side of the argument that I base my feelings on, not the statements from the side I support.

OK, so would you feel better if Favre said nothing but yet hired Ari Fleischer?