Where do the Favre lovers stand on Favre being a Viking?

[RashanGary]

My overall opinion of Thompson is that he's an honest, hard working guy that commits year round to the team and does the best job he knows how.


My overall opinion of Brett is that he's a guy that still likes to play the games but isn't ready to commit year round. He's still good enough to improve a team like the Vikings (who don't have a good QB), but he's not so good that a team with a quality QB would deal with the headache of having to wait till TC every year and having to listen to the GM demands. I think he thinks he deserves special treatment all the way around, from GM power to a separate lockerroom to not having to workout with the team and so on. I'm a big fan of players who work hard, fully commit to the team and generally love football and would do anything to be the best they can, even if it means giving up vacation time. I can't root for Brett because I don't see that in him. I was a huge fan in the past, but it's slowly gone away the last 5 years or so. I hope some day he looks back and understands why the team wanted to move on instead of being angry about it.


I thing Brett is a guy who's let everyone tell him his poop tastes like icecream. Everything he's done shows him to be a guy who has none of the values I believe in. I understand it. I know fame and fortune is hard to deal with, but I don't respect it and I certainly don't cheer it on. It makes it worse because he's battling people that I view as having very high integrity.

[Gunakor]

I don't even THINK what Favre said last summer is lies. That's the part of it that I'm referring to when I say I'm forming my own conclusions based on what I do know. It's not what Thompson said. It's what Favre said. It's the admissions from the opposing side of the argument that I base my feelings on, not the statements from the side I support.

OK, so would you feel better if Favre said nothing but yet hired Ari Fleischer?

If Favre said nothing, would there have been a need for Ari in the first place? You assume the media circus would have been just as big had Favre not started talking trash, and Ari would have been needed anyway. Prove that the two aren't directly related and we'll discuss.


EDIT: Sorry 007, I misunderstood your post. You meant what if Favre had hired Ari, correct?

I wouldn't care as much. Ari wouldn't have gone on Greta to air his dirty laundry. I don't recall Ari ever going to the national media while working with the Packers either. 007, this is about staying out of the media. If you want me to believe that it's all about football to Brett, why isn't it just about football to Brett? Why the need to do Greta or Joe? Why the need to hire Ari to speak for you if you aren't saying anything in the first place? I completely understand you feeling the way you do, and I completely understand Brett feeling the way he does. What I don't understand, and certainly don't agree with, is his need to let everybody else in the entire country know how he feels. Whether he says it, or Ari says it, or his brother says it, or his agent, or whoever... Keep it to yourself, and go play football. Had he done exactly that, he'd still have my full support (well, last year with the Jets anyway, I will never support a Viking no matter what his name is).

[woodbuck27]

JH? Do you want to be remember'd for your life as being judgementle?

Do you want to be remembered for being a good speller?

Excuse me if I made a spelling error Scott. I excuse you for being small minded.

judgemental not (whoops) judgementle. Hang me. Good grief.

[RashanGary]

OK, so would you feel better if Favre said nothing but yet hired Ari Fleischer?

That was a good move. They were publicly battling a legend. Favre had more power than anyone in the Packers. He and his agent were pulling out all stops to get their way. The Packers, if they had to trade him, wanted to get value and wanted to keep him out of the hands of the Vikings. If they didn't play their cards right, Brett would have walked all over them. They might not have Clay Matthews right now and it would have been even harder to win the division.

[GrnBay007]

. The whole thing just set a bad example and was against what this team seems to believe.

Let me get this right. You are talking professional sports and not HS or college football, right?

I see that's a big reason/excuse many of you are using....but doesn't that seem a bit simple to you?

The Packers (AKA Thompson) were ready to move on. period. Stop trying to make excuses about OT's and stuff.

[GrnBay007]

If Favre said nothing, would there have been a need for Ari in the first place? You assume the media circus would have been just as big had Favre not started talking trash, and Ari would have been needed anyway. Prove that the two aren't directly related and we'll discuss.

All we know is that Favre voiced his opinion from his perspective. That's my point. You call it "talking trash" and how do you know that? You don't. That's all I would ask for in these Favre threads is that people only post facts and not their opinion on how they perceive things and then feel that gives them right to trash Brett Favre.

[hurleyfan]

Wow, 9 seperate threads on the FIRST page dedicated to Favre..

And in most of the others, there is reference to Favre as well..

This is truly an emotional situation for PACKER fans.

[GrnBay007]

Wow, 9 seperate threads on the FIRST page dedicated to Favre..

And in most of the others, there is reference to Favre as well..

This is truly an emotional situation for PACKER fans.

LOL yes! And let's take note...most of them started by the Favre "haters".

There is a fine line between love and hate.

I think those voicing their opinions in hateful manners are just actually more hurt then they are hateful.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks for the response.

We have very different perceptions of what went on. There are points where you just can't even go forward and find a common ground. When Favre has done everything in his power to make TT look bad (including a national interview with Greta in which he and Diana's stated goal was to "tell Brett's side" and a conversation with an opposing GM in which Favre gives insight into how to beat the Packers). When those things happen, when he tells his side and you still say he hadn't told his side, when that happens, we just have to agree to disagree.

Brett obviously has meant a lot to you. Hopefully you can find a way to appreciate the good old days without feeling so bitter than you can't bear to hear people who are disappointed in him. I imagine that's a tough place to be, when you're willing to leave a community you've spent this much time in because you just can't hear a contrary opinion.

No Packer fan should ever be pressured or otherwise to leave this Green Bay Packer home. Unless unfortunately it may on an individual basis get so bad in terms of hate mongering that it's an insult to oneself just dropping in and reading the garbage.

It's my view that there are some really hateful people on this board and amongst those people I see none that still support Brett Favre 'the person' or NFL Pro QB. Being a Packer fan and still wishing Brett Favre well. Having a general interest in the NFL affairs and Favre's future has little to do with hate folks.

GO PACK GO!

[hurleyfan]

Wow, 9 seperate threads on the FIRST page dedicated to Favre..

And in most of the others, there is reference to Favre as well..

This is truly an emotional situation for PACKER fans.

LOL yes! And let's take note...most of them started by the Favre "haters".

There is a fine line between love and hate.

I think those voicing their opinions in hateful manners are just actually more hurt then they are hateful.

For sure 007!
But I am beginning to believe there are more and more Packer fans (me included) that are just tired of this whole thing..

I hate to use the words "Soap Opera"... not only from Packer fans, but there are tons of J E T S fans in my neck of the woods, and they are getting tired of it as well..

[RashanGary]

. The whole thing just set a bad example and was against what this team seems to believe.

Let me get this right. You are talking professional sports and not HS or college football, right?

Yeah. I do like the players to commit and care. I love football, I'd love the opportunity these guys have. When I stop believing these guys really care about their teammates and really care about working together, I'll stop watching.

[Gunakor]

If Favre said nothing, would there have been a need for Ari in the first place? You assume the media circus would have been just as big had Favre not started talking trash, and Ari would have been needed anyway. Prove that the two aren't directly related and we'll discuss.

All we know is that Favre voiced his opinion from his perspective. That's my point. You call it "talking trash" and how do you know that? You don't. That's all I would ask for in these Favre threads is that people only post facts and not their opinion on how they perceive things and then feel that gives them right to trash Brett Favre.

"The Packers are a dishonest organization."

That quote says nothing about Thompson specifically. It is a broad statement about the entire organization. How are Packer fans supposed to view that as anything other than trash talk?

I gave you the facts that I base my opinions on. They are Brett's own words. All I ask is that you stop trying to twist Favre's words around so they mean what you want them to mean. Just because you don't want to believe something doesn't mean it isn't true. Favre is spiteful. Favre is arrogant. Favre doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. Those are facts. Even if you don't want to believe them.

[RashanGary]

Quite frankly, when the Packers came up with Packer people, I thought they were full of shit.

Brandon Jackson (IMO a little slow), but a great kid. I like listening to him talk. I like seeing his lockerroom interviews where he's smiling with his teammates. I like hearing the genuine humility in his voice and when he breaks a tackle on the football field, I smile because I know how much hard work he's put in and how much it means to him.

And I wasn't a fan of the Brandon Jackson pick, he grew on me because of who he is. He'll probably never be as good as Brett Favre, but I like watching him play more.

That's how I feel about the Packers. You might roll your eyes and think it's stupid, but I feel good about it and I know a lot of other people do too.

[GrnBay007]

are just tired of this whole thing..

I hate to use the words "Soap Opera"... not only from Packer fans, but there are tons of J E T S fans in my neck of the woods, and they are getting tired of it as well..

I guess I've found that statement a bit amusing. Why do people continue to follow that particular bit of NFL news if they are "tired" of it. I could see if he was part of the Packers team right now, but he's not. I can't really say it's off season talk either because as long as he's playing...or there's a chance of him playing there will be talk.

[GrnBay007]

Quite frankly, when the Packers came up with Packer people, I thought they were full of shit.

Brandon Jackson (IMO a little slow), but a great kid. I like listening to him talk. I like seeing his lockerroom interviews where he's smiling with his teammates. I like hearing the genuine humility in his voice and when he breaks a tackle on the football field, I smile because I know how much hard work he's put in and how much it means to him.

That's how I feel about the Packers. You might roll your eyes and think it's stupid, but I feel good about it and I know a lot of other people do too.

Yeah, I see where you are coming from. I remember when Favre was a Packer and seeing his enthusiasm too. I remember his last season in GB when he would hoist Driver over his shoulder after a TD and throwing snowballs at him during that Seattle game. For some reason you don't remember any of the Favre being a Packer teammate times, do you? Strange, huh?