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**HarveyWallbangers** · 06-25-2009, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by falco

I wasn't aware that they made blinders that fit a moose.

This was a good one.

But you have to let somebody else give you the

**HarveyWallbangers** · 06-25-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by woodbuck27

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

**Tyrone Bigguns** · 06-25-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Originally posted by woodbuck27

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

That's not true. Ty disagrees with you often, but i think you are very knowledgeable....misguided and wrong, but knowledgeable.

**Scott Campbell** · 06-25-2009, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Originally posted by woodbuck27

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

**pbmax** · 06-25-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Scott Campbell

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Originally posted by woodbuck27

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

Brett's grown his hair out.

**cpk1994** · 06-25-2009, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by gex

Originally posted by Gunakor

Originally posted by Pacopete4

1- The Vikings run the SAME offense Favre has run his whole life, said it himself that he could coach it... the Redskins DO NOT

2- The Vikings have a way better team than the Redskins, so why on earth would he go there over the Vikes?

1) There is some legitimacy to this argument, although it isn't the exact same offense. It's a similar offense, but different in the fact that it doesn't rely upon the QB to make it go. They won't be asking Brett to make the plays, or at least shouldn't be as long as AP is lining up behind him.

2) Very disputable. The Vikings certainly don't have a WAY better team than the Redskins. If they are a better team, it's by a very small margin. And, like the Vikings, the Redskins are only an exceptional quarterback away from being legitimate SB contenders. Don't forget that they too have an exceptional RB in Portis, a speedy WR in Moss, and an extremely versatile TE in Cooley. 4 first round picks make up their defensive backfield, and they just made Haynesworth a very rich man playing on their defensive line. Aside from your first example, the difference between the two teams is almost nil.

Only o few narrow minded children still think that spite or sticking it to Teddy is high on the list of Brett Favres decision to return.
Everthing is in place for him in Minny to make a final run for another ring.
IMO the Vikes are head and shoulders above the Skins, both talentwise and team cohesiveness.

Who cares where it is on his list. The fact that it is there at all makes the man scum. Very disinegnous from a player who stands behoid the "love of the game" line.

**The Leaper** · 06-25-2009, 10:01 PM

Favre can do what he wants...but the guy simply can't stay on top of his game for 19-20 games in a season anymore.

The Vikings have zero chance of winning a title with Favre IMO, and they will have set their team back at least one more year because of it.

IF the Vikings were able to get Favre last year...and IF they were able to get him early enough for him to be there all of training camp...then I like the move for Minny.

Now...off injury and another year older? No thanks. Dumb move by purple.

**cpk1994** · 06-25-2009, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by The Leaper

Favre can do what he wants...but the guy simply can't stay on top of his game for 19-20 games in a season anymore.

The Vikings have zero chance of winning a title with Favre IMO, and they will have set their team back at least one more year because of it.

IF the Vikings were able to get Favre last year...and IF they were able to get him early enough for him to be there all of training camp...then I like the move for Minny.

Now...off injury and another year older? No thanks. Dumb move by purple.

Desperation will drive a man to do many things. This is Childress' last desperate attempt to save his own job.

**Deputy Nutz** · 06-25-2009, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by The Leaper

Favre can do what he wants...but the guy simply can't stay on top of his game for 19-20 games in a season anymore.

The Vikings have zero chance of winning a title with Favre IMO, and they will have set their team back at least one more year because of it.

IF the Vikings were able to get Favre last year...and IF they were able to get him early enough for him to be there all of training camp...then I like the move for Minny.

Now...off injury and another year older? No thanks. Dumb move by purple.

Leaper, Nice to see you around

**Deputy Nutz** · 06-25-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Originally posted by woodbuck27

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

What I can't get a complement with out you slandering my good name?

**Tyrone Bigguns** · 06-25-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Deputy Nutz

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

Originally posted by woodbuck27

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

What I can't get a complement with out you slandering my good name?

Maybe it is your spelling.

**Rastak** · 06-25-2009, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by The Leaper

Favre can do what he wants...but the guy simply can't stay on top of his game for 19-20 games in a season anymore.

The Vikings have zero chance of winning a title with Favre IMO, and they will have set their team back at least one more year because of it.

IF the Vikings were able to get Favre last year...and IF they were able to get him early enough for him to be there all of training camp...then I like the move for Minny.

Now...off injury and another year older? No thanks. Dumb move by purple.

What up Leaper?

Zero is a crazy number to toss around. The injury he had was something he should not have been playing with. He did that with Green Bay too. When hurt, sit your ass down. That was Mangini (and earlier Sherman's) fault.

Here's my take. From what medical opinions I've read it sounds like his arm should be just fine. Here's the thing. You never know when a dude's age throws him off the cliff. It's ENTIRELY possible that this happens this very year. Until he got hurt, it sure as hell wasn't last year.

I will freely admit I was extremely sceptical about how this might turn out, and still am somewhat. I'm warming to the idea for the following reasons with caveats.

1) Teams stacked 8 and 9 in the box the last 2 years as well as ran run blitzes with great regularity. The one thing the old dude can do is get the ball off quick and find the guy whose defender left for said blitz. Can he still do that? Yes indeed I am thinking.

2) Pocket awareness. Does he still have that? Of course, you won't lose that. The big question is if he is slows down enough it doesn't matter how
much he senses....if the muscles ain't reacting quick enough you go down.

3) Reading defenses. Sorely lacking with the QB's the Vikings have fielded. We'll see how much the physical tools have eroded. This is probably the biggest thing that could help the team. It sort of goes right along with #1 and is kind of the same thing.

Last year the Vikings ditched Jackson after a couple of games and won the division with Frerotte. They didn't dominate or anything but did pull it out. Jackson can;t read a defense to save his life and Frerotte hung onto the ball too long and did not have any sort of pocket presence.

Improvement? A very good chance. The arm is going to wear out so throw the ball effectively 20-25 times a game and if in the lead, ass to the bench Favre. In addition, if they run a few wildcats with Taylor, Peterson, Harvin and Jackson he has a few less reps.

I'm uneasy about the entire thing because guys at his age lose it fast.....we'll see how it goes.

**HarveyWallbangers** · 06-25-2009, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Rastak

Here's my take. From what medical opinions I've read it sounds like his arm should be just fine. Here's the thing. You never know when a dude's age throws him off the cliff. It's ENTIRELY possible that this happens this very year. Until he got hurt, it sure as hell wasn't last year.

I promised I wouldn't talk about Favre much, but I have to say that I disagree. I thought his arm strength was noticeably weaker (not dramatically, but noiceably) before his injury. BTW, a medical expert had a report several weeks ago when this came out and said that the the tendon has little to do with arm strength. It's the pain you have to deal with--more than how it actually affects your arm. The expert said that, at most, your arm strength would be affected by 3% playing with the injury. They could be wrong, but that's what I read. Also, John Elway played his final 2-3 years in the league with one biceps tendon (the other was ruptured). I didn't see it affecting him as much as some people have made out Favre's injury from last year.

**HarveyWallbangers** · 06-25-2009, 11:44 PM

So, I took a look at Brett's five interceptions in the last two games. Here's what I see.

1) Poor decision. Could be arm strength, but if Brett is 22 and decides to throw it where he did, it's going to get picked. A "what was he thinking" moment.

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