Where do the Favre lovers stand on Favre being a Viking?

[MOBB DEEP]

gota go; headn to meet with 2 young kids (10 and 8 yrs old) who havnt seen their mom since ages 4 and 2 (NEVER met their father btw) who are in their 3rd foster home after being sexually assaulted in their previous 2

Are you going to adopt, take them in or are you just doing some social work.

My hats off to you.....

they are actually with an excellent foster family that will be adopting them by the end of the year (MY hats off to that family/God-fearing church folk)

my job is to help the boys explore and process their early childhood development/experiences so that they can have a successful transition into adulthood

i used to complain about my childhood issues until i started providing therapeutic services to kids with serious heart-wrenchn issues 12 years ago

[Deputy Nutz]

I indeed respect you as one of the most knowledgeable members of Packerrats in terms of football.

How come people only say this to people that agree with them on the issues?

What I can't get a complement with out you slandering my good name?

Maybe it is your spelling.

Oh my god I misspelled a word. Thank god we have you around to correct us. Piss off.

[Scott Campbell]

SC

dissident makes xcelent points; why do u dislike favre now?

Because I think that what he did was morally wrong. And because it's my right to feel how I feel.

Do you know what a "heel" is in wrestling?

no i dont, waht is it?

The guys who play the villains are heels. It's all a part of the entertainment.

[Packnut]

Pain

Here's my take. From what medical opinions I've read it sounds like his arm should be just fine. Here's the thing. You never know when a dude's age throws him off the cliff. It's ENTIRELY possible that this happens this very year. Until he got hurt, it sure as hell wasn't last year.

I promised I wouldn't talk about Favre much, but I have to say that I disagree. I thought his arm strength was noticeably weaker (not dramatically, but noiceably) before his injury. BTW, a medical expert had a report several weeks ago when this came out and said that the the tendon has little to do with arm strength. It's the pain you have to deal with--more than how it actually affects your arm. The expert said that, at most, your arm strength would be affected by 3% playing with the injury. They could be wrong, but that's what I read. Also, John Elway played his final 2-3 years in the league with one biceps tendon (the other was ruptured). I didn't see it affecting him as much as some people have made out Favre's injury from last year.

There is no way of knowing how it affected him. It had to hurt every time he threw so who knows what part it played into it. He should have benched himself but that's not his mentality.

Like many, I also have my doubts that he can beat "father time". However, I do know from a football standpoint that he is going into the "perfect storm". He has a running game with a solid o-line. 2007 was'nt that long ago and as an aging QB he had a career year when almost everyone though the was washed up.

It will be very interesting to see how this all unfolds. It's great drama and good conversation.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Pain

Like many, I also have my doubts that he can beat "father time". However, I do know from a football standpoint that he is going into the "perfect storm". He has a running game with a solid o-line. 2007 was'nt that long ago and as an aging QB he had a career year when almost everyone though the was washed up.

You do know the "Good Guys" all drown in The Perect Storm.

[pbmax]

Re: Pain

There is no way of knowing how it affected him. It had to hurt every time he threw so who knows what part it played into it. He should have benched himself but that's not his mentality.

We did get a couple of direct quotes from Favre on this issue. He has stated several times that this injury hurt him on certain throws and might have changed his mechanics on those to avoid the pain. How much changed and how frequently he felt it, we obviously can't judge and Favre himself might not be able to put a percentage on it.

But this kind of injury and others are going to get more, not less frequent. I would almost bet a different issue crops up before this one causes him more problems.

As to the playing through it, Holmgren contributed to the iron man persona too. He played exceptional in the Bear game (5 TDs) after mangling his ankle at the Vikings the previous week. No one who saw the foot thought he would play. I sat the son of a gun in fantasy that week. Oy.

[Packnut]

Re: Pain

Like many, I also have my doubts that he can beat "father time". However, I do know from a football standpoint that he is going into the "perfect storm". He has a running game with a solid o-line. 2007 was'nt that long ago and as an aging QB he had a career year when almost everyone though the was washed up.

You do know the "Good Guys" all drown in The Perect Storm.

[Zool]

Favre can do what he wants...but the guy simply can't stay on top of his game for 19-20 games in a season anymore.

The Vikings have zero chance of winning a title with Favre IMO, and they will have set their team back at least one more year because of it.

IF the Vikings were able to get Favre last year...and IF they were able to get him early enough for him to be there all of training camp...then I like the move for Minny.

Now...off injury and another year older? No thanks. Dumb move by purple.

While I hate the idea of a Packer HOF player on the Vikings, this is a genius move by the Vikings. This will generate a bunch of cash, publicity and possibly local support for the fancy new stadium they've been wanting for about the last 10 years. If they start 6-2 just you watch. There will be an influx of Viking fans here looking to talk shit. More buzz around the team can never be a bad thing.

[Packnut]

Re: Pain

There is no way of knowing how it affected him. It had to hurt every time he threw so who knows what part it played into it. He should have benched himself but that's not his mentality.

We did get a couple of direct quotes from Favre on this issue. He has stated several times that this injury hurt him on certain throws and might have changed his mechanics on those to avoid the pain. How much changed and how frequently he felt it, we obviously can't judge and Favre himself might not be able to put a percentage on it.

But this kind of injury and others are going to get more, not less frequent. I would almost bet a different issue crops up before this one causes him more problems.

As to the playing through it, Holmgren contributed to the iron man persona too. He played exceptional in the Bear game (5 TDs) after mangling his ankle at the Vikings the previous week. No one who saw the foot thought he would play. I sat the son of a gun in fantasy that week. Oy.

He has defied the law of averages, but I just can't see him staying healthy all season. I'm a firm believer in history prediciting the future and there is a reason 40 yr old QB's don't last.

[Packnut]

Vikes

Favre can do what he wants...but the guy simply can't stay on top of his game for 19-20 games in a season anymore.

The Vikings have zero chance of winning a title with Favre IMO, and they will have set their team back at least one more year because of it.

IF the Vikings were able to get Favre last year...and IF they were able to get him early enough for him to be there all of training camp...then I like the move for Minny.

Now...off injury and another year older? No thanks. Dumb move by purple.

While I hate the idea of a Packer HOF player on the Vikings, this is a genius move by the Vikings. This will generate a bunch of cash, publicity and possibly local support for the fancy new stadium they've been wanting for about the last 10 years. If they start 6-2 just you watch. There will be an influx of Viking fans here looking to talk shit. More buzz around the team can never be a bad thing.

Could'nt agree more. Great move by the Vikes. I can see them starting out hot and creating a huge buzz.

[pbmax]

Will Favre in Minnesota provide enough momentum for a stadium initiative or just a boost in the bottom line for a year or two?

[Fritz]

Ras I respect your thinking as to warming up to the idea, and your points are good. At the same time, I respectfully disagree in that I think that those attributes are not all Favre brings. Those attributes alone would make a quarterback a game manager - and I think that's exactly what Minnesota could use. But that's not all Favre brings. He brings spectacular, unexpected plays, but he also - more and more, to me - brings boneheaded decisions.

I am of the mind he needs a strong coach to keep him from going off the deep end. I don't get the impression Childress is that guy, any more than Sherman was. Sherman's luck was that he had Favre at a time when the guy had experience but could still sling the ball. Not sure if Chilly gets part B with a 39 year old Favre.

But you could be right - if Favre stays within himself (I love that phrase - no existential out of body experiences!) this could be a tough team.

[cpk1994]

Will Favre in Minnesota provide enough momentum for a stadium initiative or just a boost in the bottom line for a year or two?

The Vikings chance of getting a stadium is almost nil even with Favre, especially since the Gophers got their own stadium and the Twins got one as well. The latter half of your question is the most likely scenario.

[Fritz]

L.A. already took the Lakers. Will they take the Vikings?

I hope not. I enjoy hating on Minnesota. And I like Minneapolis/St. Paul.

[ThunderDan]

L.A. already took the Lakers. Will they take the Vikings?

I hope not. I enjoy hating on Minnesota. And I like Minneapolis/St. Paul.

Would the NFL realign the NFC if Minnesota did move? Bring St. Lious into the North and move LA/Minn to the West?