Where do the Favre lovers stand on Favre being a Viking?

[Fritz]

For me, that'd suck.

You know, the title of this thread disturbs me. When I think of "Favre lovers" I picture various Packerrats posters - the ones who are his unadulterated fans, some of them male - making out with Brett Favre.

Disturbing.

[Pugger]

I just don't see BF as the game manager that MN needs. We all know how he gets overly excited in big games and screws up. If he does indeed sign with the queens we can only hope history repeats itself!!!

[Rastak]

Ras I respect your thinking as to warming up to the idea, and your points are good. At the same time, I respectfully disagree in that I think that those attributes are not all Favre brings. Those attributes alone would make a quarterback a game manager - and I think that's exactly what Minnesota could use. But that's not all Favre brings. He brings spectacular, unexpected plays, but he also - more and more, to me - brings boneheaded decisions.

I am of the mind he needs a strong coach to keep him from going off the deep end. I don't get the impression Childress is that guy, any more than Sherman was. Sherman's luck was that he had Favre at a time when the guy had experience but could still sling the ball. Not sure if Chilly gets part B with a 39 year old Favre.

But you could be right - if Favre stays within himself (I love that phrase - no existential out of body experiences!) this could be a tough team.

Actually Chilly WILL yank guys when they don't take care of the ball...plus, his offense is rather rigid, to a fault actually. Would Chilly yank a dude of Favre's stature? I think so but I could be wrong.

[Scott Campbell]

Will Favre in Minnesota provide enough momentum for a stadium initiative or just a boost in the bottom line for a year or two?

The Vikings chance of getting a stadium is almost nil even with Favre, especially since the Gophers got their own stadium and the Twins got one as well. The latter half of your question is the most likely scenario.

I heard from some locals that the stadium money really got questioned after the bridge collapsed.

[Rastak]

Will Favre in Minnesota provide enough momentum for a stadium initiative or just a boost in the bottom line for a year or two?

The Vikings chance of getting a stadium is almost nil even with Favre, especially since the Gophers got their own stadium and the Twins got one as well. The latter half of your question is the most likely scenario.

I heard from some locals that the stadium money really got questioned after the bridge collapsed.

Haven't heard that one and I am a local...it's usually "spend it on schools instead".

[Scott Campbell]

Will Favre in Minnesota provide enough momentum for a stadium initiative or just a boost in the bottom line for a year or two?

The Vikings chance of getting a stadium is almost nil even with Favre, especially since the Gophers got their own stadium and the Twins got one as well. The latter half of your question is the most likely scenario.

I heard from some locals that the stadium money really got questioned after the bridge collapsed.

Haven't heard that one and I am a local...it's usually "spend it on schools instead".

I heard it up to a couple months after the collapse. Haven't heard it lately. There doesn't seem like much public support to build them a suitable facility.

[Packnut]

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For me, that'd suck.

You know, the title of this thread disturbs me. When I think of "Favre lovers" I picture various Packerrats posters - the ones who are his unadulterated fans, some of them male - making out with Brett Favre.

Disturbing.

Therapy may be required to cure the things you "picture".

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Pain

2007 was'nt that long ago and as an aging QB he had a career year when almost everyone though the was washed up.

I agree, and it's why I can't say that it's a bad move by the Vikings (how could you with their QBs?) or that he can't go out in glory. However, I can't get over the fact that he worked hard in the offseason in 2007. He didn't in 2006 and 2008. I think they are related. I know nutz points out that he worked hard in 2005 also, but I consider that an aberration because of his mindset after we lost our first 5 games and with the injuries.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Vikes

Could'nt agree more. Great move by the Vikes. I can see them starting out hot and creating a huge buzz.

Great move for off the field reasons, but ultimately it will be judged by whether they win a Super Bowl or not. On the field, this is what they are hoping for. This is what the fans will expect. I won't say it's a complete failure without a Super Bowl ring, but they better get to at least the NFC Championship Game, and he better not end the season with a crushing game-losing interception in the playoffs. Otherwise, why waste the time?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Vikings chance of getting a stadium is almost nil even with Favre, especially since the Gophers got their own stadium and the Twins got one as well. The latter half of your question is the most likely scenario.

The Vikings will get their stadium--with or without Favre. It just won't happen until the legislature feels it has to happen. I HIGHLY doubt the Vikings go anywhere. The Vikings are locked into their lease for three more years, so I expect a stadium gets approved next offseason or the one after that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Actually Chilly WILL yank guys when they don't take care of the ball...plus, his offense is rather rigid, to a fault actually. Would Chilly yank a dude of Favre's stature? I think so but I could be wrong.

There's little chance of Childress yanking Favre from a game--not unless they were getting blown out. That would be a good way to lose him for the rest of the season. Favre has never gotten yanked (not even when he was throwing 23 interceptions in 1993). At 40, I don't think Favre would handle that very well mentally.

[Rastak]

Actually Chilly WILL yank guys when they don't take care of the ball...plus, his offense is rather rigid, to a fault actually. Would Chilly yank a dude of Favre's stature? I think so but I could be wrong.

There's little chance of Childress yanking Favre from a game--not unless they were getting blown out. That would be a good way to lose him for the rest of the season. Favre has never gotten yanked (not even when he was throwing 23 interceptions in 1993). At 40, I don't think Favre would handle that very well mentally.

Well, I guess you get what games you can out of him them the yank is for good.

Seriously.

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Actually Chilly WILL yank guys when they don't take care of the ball...plus, his offense is rather rigid, to a fault actually. Would Chilly yank a dude of Favre's stature? I think so but I could be wrong.

There's little chance of Childress yanking Favre from a game--not unless they were getting blown out. That would be a good way to lose him for the rest of the season. Favre has never gotten yanked (not even when he was throwing 23 interceptions in 1993). At 40, I don't think Favre would handle that very well mentally.

Well, I guess you get what games you can out of him them the yank is for good.



Seriously.

I wondered last year why the Jets didnt pull Brent when he was stinking it up on the field. We all know now how monumentally selfish he is. Can you write things into your contract that he cannot be pulled from a game? I dont know if the general public would know all detail of a contract like that.I think its total BS how he used to say its not about the records. That games started streak means a lot to him.

[pbmax]

Teams that yank a star are faced with a choice: if you protect him and dissemble with the media over the reason, you get chaos as everyone puts their own motives to the move in lieu of knowing why the team did it. Just recall some of the theories (some still floating around) about why the Packers didn't want Favre back before it became obvious.

If you tell the truth, then you put a star player, one who can command attention from the media regardless of the team, in a position to oppose you and create whatever size distraction they wish. See Cutler, Jay.

Very few teams ever choose to go that route without an enormously good excuse (injury) that the player buys as well. And it has to be serious enought for the coach not to lose his team over when its OK to sit out injured.

Media rumor-mongering of Childress paints him in a pretty unflattering light; two faced, deceptive and being the smartest guy in the room. Doesn't sound like the guy who will take a stand. But he may have some Alvarez* in him, some cold blue steel in his backbone. I'll bet he hopes we don't need to find out.

* Not a full fledged endorsement of Barry's coaching regime. He put up with an awful lot of bad behavior from some of his guys. But there was never a doubt about who was calling the shots.

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre's team from last year did not seem to come together when their backs were against the wall. It fractured, and split into pro management, or pro Brett camps.

Perfect, if you're a Packer fan.