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    Patience While the Packers Grow Up
    June 30, 2009 12:00 PM
    Posted by ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert

    This is what happens when you build around young players.

    They get older.

    And they want to get paid.

    After three years of fielding the NFL's youngest team, Green Bay has entered the next -- and decidedly less fun -- phase in the development of its program. In the past year, the Packers have signed four veterans to contracts worth a total of $116.5 million, but they still have 15 players whose contracts will expire after this season. Seven are likely starters, and one (safety Nick Collins) hasn't said for sure whether he will report to training camp without a new deal.

    Decisions will have to be made and feelings inevitably will be hurt. This crossroads is neither unexpected nor avoidable, but for the Packers it's no less pressing than their conversion to a 3-4 defense as they attempt to rebound from a 6-10 season.

    "There is always an evolution of a team," general manager Ted Thompson said. "At different points in people's careers, certain things happen. And we're trying to take care of our business the best we can. Each year your team matures, and we have a larger number of young guys that are getting ready for the next phase of their careers, and that's something that's our job to deal with."

    Since his arrival in 2005, Thompson has taken a disciplined approach to building through the draft. You can praise him for developing players who are now worthy of extensions, or you can criticize him for structuring an unbalanced team. Regardless, his choice now is either to maintain the nucleus he has built or cast it aside for another young crop of players.

    It's hard to imagine the Packers starting over, but the financial constraints of the NFL's salary cap will likely result in some players being excluded. That unavoidable byproduct has added a new layer to locker room dynamics as players try to figure out where they stand and inevitably compare their situations to others'.

    A few players on the list could well be entering their final season with the team, most notably left tackle Chad Clifton (age 33) and nose tackle Ryan Pickett (30 in October). Such departures are a fact of life in the NFL. The unusual segment of the Packers' scenario is how many young players are approaching the end of their first contracts -- a group that includes Collins, right guard Daryn Colledge and safety Atari Bigby.

    Collins appears to be the most aggrieved. He and his teammates have watched the Packers extend the contract of tailback Ryan Grant, who staged a training camp holdout last summer even though he was three years away from free agency. They saw quarterback Aaron Rodgers sign a $65 million deal after seven NFL starts. Reserve safety Jarrett Bush got a three-year deal after wading through the restricted free-agent market. Just last week, receiver Greg Jennings signed a lucrative extension.

    You could argue that Grant, Rodgers and Jennings are three of the Packers' most indispensable players. None is older than 26, and all three project as starters for the duration of their contracts. Nevertheless, I keep thinking of an obvious but relevant physiological truism: People are human. (OK, so I heard Minnesota legend Sid Hartman say it once and thought it was funny -- and true. Sue me.)

    Indeed, people are human. Defensible or not, it's only natural for a player whose contract is near expiration to wonder why, say, Grant got paid and he didn't. Shortly after the Jennings deal was announced, Collins told Wisconsin reporters:

    "There's a lot of guys coming up on free agency next year. I'm just glad somebody got it. Greg's a great guy. He deserves it. Hopefully, things work out for me."

    Collins, who earned a Pro Bowl berth last season, said "we'll see" when asked if he will report to training camp without a deal. It's clear he is miffed the Packers decided to open their purse strings for Jennings but not him. It's a perception Thompson can do little about, but he does acknowledge the potential repercussions.

    "It's never a case of really putting priority on one player or another," Thompson said. "We don't want players thinking that they're competing against [each other] or anything like that. The organization does have to make decisions as we move along."

    Jennings earned his extension and is part of an exclusive internal club of players who have been taken care of. He realizes his teammates were carefully watching him this offseason and offered this advice: "Good things come to those who wait."

    I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that patience, or a lack thereof, will be the most critical virtue for the Packers this season. This important but ultimately non-football issue won't impact their performance in 2009. As long as they don't let it.

    Green Bay Extensions Since Last Summer
    Date...............Player...............Pos...Year s.....Total...Guaranteed money
    August 2008....Ryan Grant.......RB....4 years...$20M.....$4M
    October 2008...Aaron Rodgers..QB...6 years....$65M....$20M
    March 2009......Jarrett Bush......DB...3 years....$4.5M...$1M
    June 2009.......Greg Jennings...WR...3 years....$27M...$16M
    Total: Four contracts worth total of $116.5 million, including $41 million in guarantees.

    Key Packers Approaching Free Agency
    • Safety Atari Bigby*
    • Defensive back Will Blackmon
    • Offensive lineman Chad Clifton
    • Linebacker Brandon Chillar
    • Offensive lineman Daryn Colledge*
    • Safety Nick Collins
    • Defensive lineman Johnny Jolly*
    • Linebacker Aaron Kampman
    • Tight end Tory Humphrey*
    • Fullback John Kuhn*
    • Receiver Ruvell Martin*
    • Guard/Tackle Tony Moll
    • Nose tackle Ryan Pickett
    • Center/guard Jason Spitz
    • Cornerback Tramon Williams+

    *Will be a restricted free agent if NFL moves to an uncapped system in 2010
    +Will be restricted free agent only if NFL has a new CBA in 2010
    It's a stretch to say that all these guys are "key" players. I'd take Clifton, Chillar, Jolly, Humphrey, Kuhn, Martin, and Moll off the "Key Players" list immediately for a variety of different reasons, and Kampman, Bigby and Collins may well end up being eminently replaceable as well - at least at the price they might fetch in free agency. And, I'm a Blackmon fan for his return skills, but he may demand - and get - too much money relative to his actual value. Any of those guys would probably hurt, but tough decisions may have to be made.

    I happen to agree with the apparent Packers approach with Collins to call his bluff and see how things progress. If he's quarterbacking the DB's in the new defensive scheme that requires constant communication and coverage changes, he's my biggest concern heading into the year - whether or not he holds out.

  • #2
    I read that and I wouldn't want Ted Thompson's job right now. This season is huge and the Packers must improve to at least 9-10 wins. Otherwise I believe we'll be looking at the provebial sinking ship syndrome.

    Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract. The team must pick it up over the next two and do so in some dramatic fashion . Otherwise we may see an early change at GM.

    GO PACKERS!
    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
    ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
    ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
    ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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    • #3
      Originally posted by woodbuck27
      I read that and I wouldn't want Ted Thompson's job right now. This season is huge and the Packers must improve to at least 9-10 wins. Otherwise I believe we'll be looking at the provebial sinking ship syndrome.

      Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract. The team must pick it up over the nextb two and do so in some dramatic fashion . Otherwise we may see an early change at GM.

      GO PACKERS!
      I can't disagree with any of this.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #4
        When you look at the list of upcoming free agents, the situation isn't exactly dire. Of the list, only Kampman, Collins, and Colledge should command big contracts (if we decide to retain Kampman). Spitz and Pickett should command middle of the road contracts (if we decide to retain Pickett). Tramon is in line for a long term contract, but he's an RFA next year anyway so he's not complicated. Bigby, Chillar, Blackmon, Martin, Kuhn, Jolly, Humphrey, and Moll shouldn't command sizeable deals, and some of these guys may not the final roster.

        Ultimately, depending on how some guys adjust to the 3-4, a lot of these players may be deemed replaceable. I think only Colledge is truly a "must-sign"; though I would do my darnedest to sign Spitz and Collins depending on their demands. Kampman, Pickett, Bigby, and Jolly are "extend during the season" if they adjust well to the new defense (though Pickett may be gone anyway, depending on how Raji looks, and Jolly may be gone if the legal system doesn't work in his favor). Guys like Chillar, Blackmon, Martin, Kuhn, and Humphrey are on the bubble for the roster anyway, so there's no need to immediately do something. But no hearts would be broken if none of these guys are playing here this season let alone next. Clifton definitely doesn't deserve a new contract now, but you would consider offering him one after the season depending on how he's holding up. He seemed to have lost a step last year and was a liability in the run game, so if one of the youngsters looks ready to start, he's probably replaceable.

        Given the cap space we have, it's definitely a doable task.
        </delurk>

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        • #5
          Originally posted by woodbuck27
          Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract.
          I believe both TT and M3 took advantage of Bretts 2007 season to quickly sign 5 years extensions. woo-yeh.....
          The Bottom Line:
          Formally Numb, same person, same views of M3

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lurker64
            When you look at the list of upcoming free agents, the situation isn't exactly dire. Of the list, only Kampman, Collins, and Colledge should command big contracts (if we decide to retain Kampman). Spitz and Pickett should command middle of the road contracts (if we decide to retain Pickett). Tramon is in line for a long term contract, but he's an RFA next year anyway so he's not complicated. Bigby, Chillar, Blackmon, Martin, Kuhn, Jolly, Humphrey, and Moll shouldn't command sizeable deals, and some of these guys may not the final roster.

            Ultimately, depending on how some guys adjust to the 3-4, a lot of these players may be deemed replaceable. I think only Colledge is truly a "must-sign"; though I would do my darnedest to sign Spitz and Collins depending on their demands. Kampman, Pickett, Bigby, and Jolly are "extend during the season" if they adjust well to the new defense (though Pickett may be gone anyway, depending on how Raji looks, and Jolly may be gone if the legal system doesn't work in his favor). Guys like Chillar, Blackmon, Martin, Kuhn, and Humphrey are on the bubble for the roster anyway, so there's no need to immediately do something. But no hearts would be broken if none of these guys are playing here this season let alone next. Clifton definitely doesn't deserve a new contract now, but you would consider offering him one after the season depending on how he's holding up. He seemed to have lost a step last year and was a liability in the run game, so if one of the youngsters looks ready to start, he's probably replaceable.

            Given the cap space we have, it's definitely a doable task.
            http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...nnings-payday/
            And Jennings’ new salary-cap figure is $8.154 million, which leaves the Packers $21.5 million under the NFL’s salary cap.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Numb
              Originally posted by woodbuck27
              Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract.
              I believe both TT and M3 took advantage of The Packers 2007 season to quickly sign 5 years extensions. woo-yeh.....
              Fixed for accuracy. Brett wasn't responsible for 2007 alone.

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              • #8
                I think 21.5 million is enough to get this done, but does anybody know offhand which players have contracts expiring the year after this one (i.e. guys who would be in the situation described in the article a year from now)?
                </delurk>

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cpk1994
                  Originally posted by Numb
                  Originally posted by woodbuck27
                  Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract.
                  I believe both TT and M3 took advantage of The Packers 2007 season to quickly sign 5 years extensions. woo-yeh.....
                  Fixed for accuracy. Brett wasn't responsible for 2007 alone.
                  The 2007 Packers with Favre have a 13-3 regular season record. The Green Bay Packers are also NFCN Champions and runner-up to the NFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.

                  The 2008 Packers without Favre are 6-10. Yes! Headed in a new direction.
                  ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                  ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                  ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                  ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by woodbuck27
                    The 2007 Packers with Favre have a 13-3 regular season record. The Green Bay Packers are also NFCN Champions and runner-up to the NFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.

                    The 2008 Packers without Favre are 6-9. Yes! Headed in a new direction.
                    2007 Packers were a different team than the 2008 Packers. The defense had a much bigger dropoff from the 2007 to the 2008 season than the QB position. Same with the RB position. Same with special teams.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by woodbuck27
                      Originally posted by cpk1994
                      Originally posted by Numb
                      Originally posted by woodbuck27
                      Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract.
                      I believe both TT and M3 took advantage of The Packers 2007 season to quickly sign 5 years extensions. woo-yeh.....
                      Fixed for accuracy. Brett wasn't responsible for 2007 alone.
                      The 2007 Packers with Favre have a 13-3 regular season record. The Green Bay Packers are also NFCN Champions and runner-up to the NFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.

                      The 2008 Packers without Favre are 6-9. Yes! Headed in a new direction.
                      I blame that completely on Corey Williams.

                      No wait. Rather I blame that one completely on injuries sustained in 2008 that were not sustained in 2007.

                      Wait, it also could have been the steep decline in production from our veteran tackles.

                      It was a combination of things Ed. CPK is right, 2007 wasn't all Brett Favre. Favre doesn't get all the credit for 2007 same as Rodgers doesn't get all the blame for 2008.
                      Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gunakor
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27
                        Originally posted by cpk1994
                        Originally posted by Numb
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27
                        Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract.
                        I believe both TT and M3 took advantage of The Packers 2007 season to quickly sign 5 years extensions. woo-yeh.....
                        Fixed for accuracy. Brett wasn't responsible for 2007 alone.
                        The 2007 Packers with Favre have a 13-3 regular season record. The Green Bay Packers are also NFCN Champions and runner-up to the NFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.

                        The 2008 Packers without Favre are 6-9. Yes! Headed in a new direction.
                        I blame that completely on Corey Williams.

                        No wait. Rather I blame that one completely on injuries sustained in 2008 that were not sustained in 2007.

                        Wait, it also could have been the steep decline in production from our veteran tackles.

                        It was a combination of things Ed. CPK is right, 2007 wasn't all Brett Favre. Favre doesn't get all the credit for 2007 same as Rodgers doesn't get all the blame for 2008.
                        I don't blame 2008 on Aaron Rodgers Gunakor. The point I want to make is that no one player can be given credit or faulted or blamed for the results of a season.

                        PACKERS!
                        ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                        ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                        ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                        ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by woodbuck27
                          I don't blame 2008 on Aaron Rodgers Gunakor. The point I want to make is that no one player can be given credit or faulted or blamed for the results of a season.
                          I know you don't blame 2008 on Aaron Rodgers. That's why I used that example. Since you don't place all blame on Rodgers for 2008, you can't give all credit to Favre for 2007. I'm glad we agree

                          You are the one who said:

                          Originally posted by woodbuck27
                          The 2007 Packers with Favre have a 13-3 regular season record. The Green Bay Packers are also NFCN Champions and runner-up to the NFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.

                          The 2008 Packers without Favre are 6-9. Yes! Headed in a new direction
                          This is what I was responding to. The comparison suggests the exact opposite of what we are apparently in agreement about.
                          Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                          • #14
                            If T2 and M3 want to cough up some cash or years, they should do so. But in the accounting books it should read that defense and special teams were the causes for their failures in 2008.

                            I seem to remember a thread about this....
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by woodbuck27
                              I read that and I wouldn't want Ted Thompson's job right now. This season is huge and the Packers must improve to at least 9-10 wins. Otherwise I believe we'll be looking at the provebial sinking ship syndrome.

                              Ted Thompson has what ? Four more years on his contract. The team must pick it up over the next two and do so in some dramatic fashion . Otherwise we may see an early change at GM.

                              GO PACKERS!
                              No way. MM goes first and I believe he's in a very hot seat. A GM doesnt lose 7 games by 3 points.
                              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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