Why the negativity?

[The Shadow]

Why the negativity? Because of what Favre had been built up to be in the eyes of the fans.

A large part of the Favre mystique is that he and the media convinced fans that somehow Favre was different than the typical professional athlete. He was portrayed as what fans want professional athletes to be, as in-love with the team they play for as the fans of the team are. Favre nurtured this image by:

- Distancing himself from the money aspect of professional sports.
- Criticizing team mates who didn't have a "team first" attitude in the way fans wanted.
- Suggesting he would never be a player who hangs on to an eroding career.
- Stating he would rather retire before his skills declined.
- Insisting he would never play for another team after the Packers.
- Humbling himself by saying that if the Packers decided they no longer wanted him, he would simply retire, taking the hint from them about where he and the team were at. This tied into his statements that he would never play for another team after the Packers.

Fans ate it up. Favre became that mythical pro athlete that fans desperately want, the one they think they would be if given the opportunity. Favre played the role and the media and the NFL promoted it at every opportunity.

Fans saw a crack in the facade last year with the way Favre interacted with the team. Continuing it yet again this year, conniving his way out of his contract with the Jets, and longing to play for a chief rival of the Packers has clearly demonstrated that the mythical Favre as he was portrayed to the fans was a sham. He was only a highly skilled performer, but otherwise no different than all the other athletes who have come and gone over the seasons.

Favre is not different than the rank and file professional athlete. He does not have the characteristics that the fans were lead to believe he had by himself, the media and the NFL. Some fans feel lied to and duped as a result; and yes, they are angry. We can say those fans were naive to begin with, but the brainwashing regarding Favre had gone on for years and years, and was nonstop.

That is the reason for the negativity.

Right on the mark.
Well put.

[cpk1994]

Why the negativity? Because of what Favre had been built up to be in the eyes of the fans.

A large part of the Favre mystique is that he and the media convinced fans that somehow Favre was different than the typical professional athlete. He was portrayed as what fans want professional athletes to be, as in-love with the team they play for as the fans of the team are. Favre nurtured this image by:

- Distancing himself from the money aspect of professional sports.
- Criticizing team mates who didn't have a "team first" attitude in the way fans wanted.
- Suggesting he would never be a player who hangs on to an eroding career.
- Stating he would rather retire before his skills declined.
- Insisting he would never play for another team after the Packers.
- Humbling himself by saying that if the Packers decided they no longer wanted him, he would simply retire, taking the hint from them about where he and the team were at. This tied into his statements that he would never play for another team after the Packers.

Fans ate it up. Favre became that mythical pro athlete that fans desperately want, the one they think they would be if given the opportunity. Favre played the role and the media and the NFL promoted it at every opportunity.

Fans saw a crack in the facade last year with the way Favre interacted with the team. Continuing it yet again this year, conniving his way out of his contract with the Jets, and longing to play for a chief rival of the Packers has clearly demonstrated that the mythical Favre as he was portrayed to the fans was a sham. He was only a highly skilled performer, but otherwise no different than all the other athletes who have come and gone over the seasons.

Favre is not different than the rank and file professional athlete. He does not have the characteristics that the fans were lead to believe he had by himself, the media and the NFL. Some fans feel lied to and duped as a result; and yes, they are angry. We can say those fans were naive to begin with, but the brainwashing regarding Favre had gone on for years and years, and was nonstop.

That is the reason for the negativity.

Right on the mark.
Well put.

I second that. Well done.

[gex]

Some fans feel lied to and duped as a result; and yes, they are angry. We can say those fans were naive to begin with.

Right on the mark.
Well put.

I second that. Well done.

I also 2nd that.

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

[ThunderDan]

Some fans feel lied to and duped as a result; and yes, they are angry. We can say those fans were naive to begin with.

Right on the mark.
Well put.

I second that. Well done.

I also 2nd that.

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

Way to take two sentences from Patler's original post that distorts Patler's post in the first place.

[Fritz]

First, kudos to Patler and the follow-up comments on Favre. Right on the mark, including the poster (who was it?) who noted that Favre really did believe the stuff he said when he said it - I agree; I don't think Favre deliberately lied. He just fooled himself well.

As to the original question of the post, here's another piece of evidence: when Favre was on that stupid Joe Buck show, he said it wouldn't be fair to the Vikes to make them wait on his decision, so he'd decide well before training camp.

Now, here's a quote from a Press Gazette article on Bevell going down to watch Favre throw:

"According to the report, Favre was encouraged by his throwing session in Hattiesburg, Miss., but told Vikings officials he might not announce his intentions until shortly before the team begins training camp on July 29 in Mankato, Minn."

Okay, first, yes, IF the report is true. Maybe it's not. But if it is - and I believe it is, because it's consistent with Favre's pattern of changing his story (I'm retiring...I'm not retiring....I'm retiring...I'm not retiring) - if it is true, then here is yet another example of Favre saying one thing as if it's concrete - of course I wouldn't wait that long and put the Vikes in a bind! - then turning around later and doing the opposite.

If he did all this deliberately, intentionally misleading people, I'd say he's an ass-hat. But I believe he believes what he says when he says it, and justifies his changes in action and attitude to himself as best he can. The funny thing is that he's become rather predictable, though many people do not seem to understand this.

That makes him self-deluded, and someone that should not be taken at his word. Someone to be very careful in dealing with. Someone not to be trusted.

[bobblehead]

Some fans feel lied to and duped as a result; and yes, they are angry. We can say those fans were naive to begin with.

Right on the mark.
Well put.

I second that. Well done.

I also 2nd that.

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

Actually read my post:
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The real reason some of us have such vitriol towards him is that we saw him for what he was long ago, but dared not speak out for fear of the backlash. Now we feel vindicated and we are taking every opportunity to dig at those that were blind before. Is that mature on my/our part....probably not. What can I say, I try and pass that same character test of knowing I'm right should be good enough, but sometimes I fail it myself.
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It has nothing to do with being betrayed by Favre, but it has everything to do with fan's reactions when I would point out these things in the past.

[sharpe1027]

First, kudos to Patler and the follow-up comments on Favre. Right on the mark, including the poster (who was it?) who noted that Favre really did believe the stuff he said when he said it - I agree; I don't think Favre deliberately lied. He just fooled himself well.

As to the original question of the post, here's another piece of evidence: when Favre was on that stupid Joe Buck show, he said it wouldn't be fair to the Vikes to make them wait on his decision, so he'd decide well before training camp.

Now, here's a quote from a Press Gazette article on Bevell going down to watch Favre throw:

"According to the report, Favre was encouraged by his throwing session in Hattiesburg, Miss., but told Vikings officials he might not announce his intentions until shortly before the team begins training camp on July 29 in Mankato, Minn."

Okay, first, yes, IF the report is true. Maybe it's not. But if it is - and I believe it is, because it's consistent with Favre's pattern of changing his story (I'm retiring...I'm not retiring....I'm retiring...I'm not retiring) - if it is true, then here is yet another example of Favre saying one thing as if it's concrete - of course I wouldn't wait that long and put the Vikes in a bind! - then turning around later and doing the opposite.

If he did all this deliberately, intentionally misleading people, I'd say he's an ass-hat. But I believe he believes what he says when he says it, and justifies his changes in action and attitude to himself as best he can. The funny thing is that he's become rather predictable, though many people do not seem to understand this.

That makes him self-deluded, and someone that should not be taken at his word. Someone to be very careful in dealing with. Someone not to be trusted.

Someone who understands what is right and wants to do the right thing, but when faced with the personal consequences of doing what is right, instead does the something different and then deludes himself with self-made justifications for his actions.

[cpk1994]

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

It goes the other way too. Their are Favre fans that still need to bash TT for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do and that is make moves in the best interests of the Packers, which meant parting ways with Favre.

They can't get over it. Hell, Favre himself can't get over it.

[woodbuck27]

Whoops. Duplicate post.

[woodbuck27]

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

It goes the other way too. Their are Favre fans that still need to bash TT for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do and that is make moves in the best interests of the Packers, which meant parting ways with Favre.

They can't get over it. Hell, Favre himself can't get over it.

I just hope you'll think cpk1994. I don't run dashs in the shadows or go behind closed doors to set things on a better course.

Are you looking for or legitimizing an excuse cpk1994?

Who bashes TT on this forum cpk1994? Back yourself up or gather up your gang to assist you in that exercise. Bring on the posts from posters that slam TT. That backs up your statement of posters here at Packerrats that bash TT. Who are these posters that bash TT cpk1994? Back yourself up looking at posts over the past two months or stuff it please.

TT is like any GM and constantly being scrutinized as are the Head Coachs. That ability to survive that comes with the job description cpk1994.

Your a one trick pony cpk1994, like a CD that someone plays over and over. I'm thinking of ABBA. Your wearisome and a detrement to Packerrats. Get over yourself. I'm positive cpk1994 you've had that request before.

GO PACKERS!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

It goes the other way too. Their are Favre fans that still need to bash TT for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do and that is make moves in the best interests of the Packers, which meant parting ways with Favre.

They can't get over it. Hell, Favre himself can't get over it.

Are you looking for or legitimizing an excuse cpk1994?

Who bashes TT on this forum cpk1995? Lay out the posts from posters that slam TT. That backs up your statement of posters here at Packerrats that bash TT. Who are these posters that bash TT cpk1994? Back yourself up looking at posts over the past two months or stuff it please.

Your a one trick pony cpk1994, like a CD that someone plays over and over. I'm thinking of ABBA. Your wearisome and a detrement to Packerrats. Get over yourself. I'm positive cpk1994 you've had that request before.

GO PACKERS!

Piss off. Regardless of CPK, there are/were plenty of TT bashers. For you to pretend there aren't is either stupidity or willfull blindness.

Your a one trick pony Woodbuck, like a CD that someone plays over and over. I'm thinking of Celine Dion. Your wearisome and a detrement to Packerrats. Get over yourself. I'm positive Woodbuck you've had that request before. (sic)

P.S. and you contribute to poor spelling and grammar.

[woodbuck27]

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

It goes the other way too. Their are Favre fans that still need to bash TT for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do and that is make moves in the best interests of the Packers, which meant parting ways with Favre.

They can't get over it. Hell, Favre himself can't get over it.

Are you looking for or legitimizing an excuse cpk1994?

Who bashes TT on this forum cpk1995? Lay out the posts from posters that slam TT. That backs up your statement of posters here at Packerrats that bash TT. Who are these posters that bash TT cpk1994? Back yourself up looking at posts over the past two months or stuff it please.

Your a one trick pony cpk1994, like a CD that someone plays over and over. I'm thinking of ABBA. Your wearisome and a detrement to Packerrats. Get over yourself. I'm positive cpk1994 you've had that request before.

GO PACKERS!

Piss off. Regardless of CPK, there are/were plenty of TT bashers. For you to pretend there aren't is either stupidity or willfull blindness.

Your a one trick pony Woodbuck, like a CD that someone plays over and over. I'm thinking of Celine Dion. Your wearisome and a detrement to Packerrats. Get over yourself. I'm positive Woodbuck you've had that request before. (sic)

P.S. and you contribute to poor spelling and grammar.

Ohh the intimidation.

Your not worthy of my time Tyrone. . . but this to explain why I feel as I do. Your owed at least that respect. Do you imagine yourself bright and cool to hip Tyrone Bigguns, to post the gumbo that you recklessly submit here?

Look at your language in that post above Tyrone Bigguns. Classless garbage. Yet you imagine yourself a writer? Maybe you don't have the imagination or manners to express yourself with any better style mister? Is it ignorance? If so I can understand you. Otherwise I suggest that you have some class Tyrone. PLEASE TRY SOME CLASS.

Debate you Tyrone!? What would that accomplish for the good of Packerrats but no good. As far as my english grammer and spelling. I'd hold my own in terms of the slop you post.

The problem is this isn't a place to vent your obvious frustrations laddie. I'll suggest an alternative exercise Tyrone Bigguns. Go and find some great mountain and pound rocks off the face of it till you feel your arm coming free or your shoulder. Then while that arm is re-habing. Take some time to come to exact terms with your boring attempt at sarcastic pseudo-macho popcorn and sock blowing buddy system and turn to something approaching decency.

[cpk1994]

This is why, IMO, they still need to bash the man for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do.

They can't get over it.

It goes the other way too. Their are Favre fans that still need to bash TT for doing nothing more than what he is paid to do and that is make moves in the best interests of the Packers, which meant parting ways with Favre.

They can't get over it. Hell, Favre himself can't get over it.

I just hope you'll think cpk1994. I don't run dashs in the shadows or go behind closed doors to set things on a better course.

Are you looking for or legitimizing an excuse cpk1994?

Who bashes TT on this forum cpk1994? Back yourself up or gather up your gang to assist you in that exercise. Bring on the posts from posters that slam TT. That backs up your statement of posters here at Packerrats that bash TT. Who are these posters that bash TT cpk1994? Back yourself up looking at posts over the past two months or stuff it please.

TT is like any GM and constantly being scrutinized as are the Head Coachs. That ability to survive that comes with the job description cpk1994.

Your a one trick pony cpk1994, like a CD that someone plays over and over. I'm thinking of ABBA. Your wearisome and a detrement to Packerrats. Get over yourself. I'm positive cpk1994 you've had that request before.

GO PACKERS!

Re-Read my post. WHere did I ever mention this fourum in it? I said "Favre Fans", not Packerrats posters. And I know people personally who still believe TT should be fired for not bending over backwards and let Favre comeback and do whatever he wants.

Instead of finding excuses to attack me, I suggest a course in reading comprehension. I think that would be crucial in your job as a teacher.

[CaptainD]

Here we go again

[The Shadow]

"......And I know people personally who still believe TT should be fired for not bending over backwards and let Favre comeback and do whatever he wants. "

I've long thought that the folks who hysterically hate Ted Thompson have all had problems with strong father-figures somewhere in the past.