Those Crafty Williams Boys...

[MOBB DEEP]

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

[swede]

Sotomayor?

[Freak Out]

Sotomayor?

She's a Vikings fan?

[ThunderDan]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

Absurd, uninformed, and negligent post TD. The legal system is in charge of this matter right now, not Goodell. And as far as moving, even a Packer fan should be against that.

This horse has been dead for some time now.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

Absurd, uninformed, and negligent post TD. The legal system is in charge of this matter right now, not Goodell. And as far as moving, even a Packer fan should be against that.

Why is that negligent?? or uninformed???

The Williams boys knew they were taking a product not on the approved list period!!! Just because the NFL had knowledge that it contained a banned substance and hadn't told the league doesn't take the responsibilty from the players. There are numerous weightloss pills they could have taken that were approved.

As for the second part of the post I said if I was Goodell not I as the Packer fan ThunderDan. Maybe you should read what was actually written. NFL wants a franchise in LA and you have a team running to a judge to protect players who broke the conduct policy.

[ThunderDan]

I guess that should be the NFLPA. Right?

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

Absurd, uninformed, and negligent post TD. The legal system is in charge of this matter right now, not Goodell. And as far as moving, even a Packer fan should be against that.

Why is that negligent?? or uninformed???

The Williams boys knew they were taking a product not on the approved list period!!! Just because the NFL had knowledge that it contained a banned substance and hadn't told the league doesn't take the responsibilty from the players. There are numerous weightloss pills they could have taken that were approved.

As for the second part of the post I said if I was Goodell not I as the Packer fan ThunderDan. Maybe you should read what was actually written. NFL wants a franchise in LA and you have a team running to a judge to protect players who broke the conduct policy.

The player are "running to a judge," not the team. Seeking legal help in a case they feel is unfair is their right. It should have no bearing on the team.

As far as everything else, refer to the 7 page discussion on page 4 of the Green Bay Packers forum index.

[Gunakor]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

Absurd, uninformed, and negligent post TD. The legal system is in charge of this matter right now, not Goodell. And as far as moving, even a Packer fan should be against that.

This horse has been dead for some time now.

That's the problem. The legal system is in charge, not Goodell. Problem is, it's not the legal system's league. Goodell makes the rules, not the legal system. There is nothing illegal about Goodell's rule stating that players in HIS league must abide by HIS code.

Think of it in terms of you growing up, having your parents tell you not to leave the yard. It is not illegal to leave the yard, but your parents can still punish you for doing so. Because your parents set the rules, not the legal system.

Or are you arguing that it is illegal for your parents to tell you not to leave the yard (or illegal for Goodell to restrict what supplements a player can or can't take by issuing a list of approved supplements)?

The Williams situation should be left out of the legal system, because no laws were broken. They violated NFL rules that exclusively apply to NFL players - it should be handled exclusively by the NFL. The justice system is meddling where they shouldn't be. It's not their business.

It's too late now, of course, because now they're already involved. But can you imagine the consequences of the legal system ruling in favor of the Williamses in this matter? The horrible precedent that would set? Imagine the scores of players who have been or will be caught in violation of league rules that will be running to a judge to stay or overturn their suspensions. Goodell will no longer have control over his own league, and neither will any subsequent commissioner. The NFL will be run by the local courts. It's ludicrous.

[hoosier]

Poetic justice: the case gets tied up in the courts until week 5, when the suspensions are finally confirmed and immediately enfored starting with the Rams game. The Vikings proceed to lose four straight and plummet to the bottom of the NFC North.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

Absurd, uninformed, and negligent post TD. The legal system is in charge of this matter right now, not Goodell. And as far as moving, even a Packer fan should be against that.

This horse has been dead for some time now.

That's the problem. The legal system is in charge, not Goodell. Problem is, it's not the legal system's league. Goodell makes the rules, not the legal system. There is nothing illegal about Goodell's rule stating that players in HIS league must abide by HIS code.

Think of it in terms of you growing up, having your parents tell you not to leave the yard. It is not illegal to leave the yard, but your parents can still punish you for doing so. Because your parents set the rules, not the legal system.

Or are you arguing that it is illegal for your parents to tell you not to leave the yard (or illegal for Goodell to restrict what supplements a player can or can't take by issuing a list of approved supplements)?

The Williams situation should be left out of the legal system, because no laws were broken. They violated NFL rules that exclusively apply to NFL players - it should be handled exclusively by the NFL. The justice system is meddling where they shouldn't be. It's not their business.

It's too late now, of course, because now they're already involved. But can you imagine the consequences of the legal system ruling in favor of the Williamses in this matter? The horrible precedent that would set? Imagine the scores of players who have been or will be caught in violation of league rules that will be running to a judge to stay or overturn their suspensions. Goodell will no longer have control over his own league, and neither will any subsequent commissioner. The NFL will be run by the local courts. It's ludicrous.

I think the issue is more about the NFL's responsibility to the players. They knew about the substance in the starcaps and said nothing to the players, except don't endorse it.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

according to st. paul pioneer press: Judge has blocked nfl plans to suspend the stellar DTs

thus, both vikes and pack should be undefeated for mnf showdown

LETS GOOOOOOO.....

This is so ridiuculus. Suspend them and move on. Take responsibilty for your action Williams, you got caught with your hand on the cookie jar and just because someone else was in the cookie jar and not punished doesn't mean taking the cookies was right.

If I was Goodell I would be pissed at the judge and offer Ziggy help in moving Minn to LA.

Absurd, uninformed, and negligent post TD. The legal system is in charge of this matter right now, not Goodell. And as far as moving, even a Packer fan should be against that.

Why is that negligent?? or uninformed???

The Williams boys knew they were taking a product not on the approved list period!!! Just because the NFL had knowledge that it contained a banned substance and hadn't told the league doesn't take the responsibilty from the players. There are numerous weightloss pills they could have taken that were approved.

As for the second part of the post I said if I was Goodell not I as the Packer fan ThunderDan. Maybe you should read what was actually written. NFL wants a franchise in LA and you have a team running to a judge to protect players who broke the conduct policy.

The player are "running to a judge," not the team. Seeking legal help in a case they feel is unfair is their right. It should have no bearing on the team.

As far as everything else, refer to the 7 page discussion on page 4 of the Green Bay Packers forum index.

I already read that thread, thank you.

What they did was wrong, plain and simple. Now they are asking for the legal system to step in for them and excuse their mistake. I'm absolutely positive in thier contracts they agreed to follow the players conduct set by the league.

[Gunakor]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

I think the issue is more about the NFL's responsibility to the players. They knew about the substance in the starcaps and said nothing to the players, except don't endorse it.

No Smack, the issue is the supplement they used was not on the officially approved list of supplements they could take. Instead of trying to skirt around that list by trying to gain approval for a supplement that was not on the list, they could have just taken something else that was in fact listed as an approved supplement. Make this very, very simple. Was Starcaps on the list of approved supplements? No? Then the Williamses fucked up by taking it. No more discussion is required. Goodell gives a list of things you CAN take, not a list of things you CAN'T take. So just assume that if it isn't listed as okay, that means it's not okay. Everything is so much simpler that way, and you don't risk getting caught in violation of league rules. The Williamses took a chance and lost. Now here come the local courts to save the day for the local team. Embarrassing.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Those Crafty Williams Boys...

I think the issue is more about the NFL's responsibility to the players. They knew about the substance in the starcaps and said nothing to the players, except don't endorse it.

No Smack, the issue is the supplement they used was not on the officially approved list of supplements they could take. Instead of trying to skirt around that list by trying to gain approval for a supplement that was not on the list, they could have just taken something else that was in fact listed as an approved supplement. Make this very, very simple. Was Starcaps on the list of approved supplements? No? Then the Williamses fucked up by taking it. No more discussion is required. Goodell gives a list of things you CAN take, not a list of things you CAN'T take. So just assume that if it isn't listed as okay, that means it's not okay. Everything is so much simpler that way, and you don't risk getting caught in violation of league rules. The Williamses took a chance and lost. Now here come the local courts to save the day for the local team. Embarrassing.

I know you want this to be "very, very simple," but your problem is that this issue is anything but.

Otherwise it would not be in court.

It is not cut and dried, it is not simple, it is not fair...... it is in the court system because of these factors.

There is a banned substance list. Starcaps was not on it.

[KYPack]

Lawsuit time. Those boys that sat their suspensions have a case and their agents will make damned sure they file for equal treatment.

I'd don't like those two whales, They were smart to take the action they did. But I really feel it's the NFL that scewed the pooch big time on this whole deal.