JS Jolly article

[DonHutson]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/50494897.html

Nice. well rounded article by Greg Bedard. Maybe when he does some research and takes the time to put a story together, instead of merely spouting off in his blog, he can actually do some good work.

And there was a line at the end that caught my attention as it confirmed what I've always suspected regarding the resigning of Corey Williams. The Packers thought he was a character risk and had no intention of giving him a long term deal. I always assumed that had to be the case, but I don't know that I've ever seen that so explicitly stated.

[packrulz]

Yes, interesting article. Jolly shouldn't be hanging around with punks like that, and I don't want to excuse stupid behavior, but he had a bottle of cough syrup for cryin' out loud, big frickin' deal! The passenger with the semiautomatic weapon had his charges dismissed. I'll be surprised if it does go to trial, Jolly has a clean record, and to my knowledge they never tested Jolly for traces of codeine in his system.

Under the Controlled Substances Act, the state must prove Jolly had knowledge of the drug's presence and exercised some control over it. The attorneys for both Lee and Dallas said no request has been made for their clients to testify against Jolly.

Jolly told the Journal Sentinel that he had passed all the drug tests he was required to take as part of his bond agreement, which likely will help his case.

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After reading through that article I am starting to wonder how much longer he will be on the roster. I think he will be a restricted free agent next year.

Seems to be the coaching staff have real questions about his character

Jolly was far from well-paid - as a sixth-round pick in '06, he received a four-year, $1.705 million contract from the Packers, which included a modest signing bonus of $94,600 - but it didn't stop him from acting, according to one teammate, as if he was "big money."

The way he carried himself and his conduct led the Packers to question how Jolly would handle being given a contract extension, a source said. The Packers held the same concerns about Corey Williams, another defensive lineman. He was traded in '08 by the Packers and given his big contract by the Cleveland Browns.

Even if he plays well, I bet he gets offered up as trade bait like Corey Williams

[bobblehead]

I have always like Bedard...you gotta remember a blog is just a quick note of whats on the top of your head. No research or in depth reporting.

Jolly...well, I actually will guess he cleans it up and works hard to have a good season. I don't think TT will give him a blockbuster deal, but I could see a sizeable contract. Just my impression from what I've seen so far and the information in the article. (this is a blog :P its just my quick opinion).

[pbmax]

I have always like Bedard...you gotta remember a blog is just a quick note of whats on the top of your head. No research or in depth reporting.

Jolly...well, I actually will guess he cleans it up and works hard to have a good season. I don't think TT will give him a blockbuster deal, but I could see a sizeable contract. Just my impression from what I've seen so far and the information in the article. (this is a blog :P its just my quick opinion).

No problem on the blogging, but when you are doing both, then the opinions expressed on the blog become a prism to deconstruct his writing, especially his opinion/analysis pieces. He has proven to be misinformed on the blog and also to hold solid opinions on matters that are quite unclear (anyone remember that Favre had additional problems with the shoulder that might prevent him from playing outside of the injured tendon?)

[woodbuck27]

WOW! That report is full of contradictions.

a) a good teammate with an excellent attitude or

b) a man with a mysterious dark and disturbing personality and disruptive on the field?

As to the warnings of how Johnny Jolly must conduct himself when away from Lambeau Field:

Is it really a case of ''you are who you hang with?'' It seems so with Packer management and Johnny Jolly will soon not be a Green Bay Packer.

PACKERS!

[Fritz]

WOW! That report is full of contradictions.

a) a good teammate with an excellent attitude or

b) a man with a mysterious dark and disturbing personality and disruptive on the field?

As to the warnings of how Johnny Jolly must conduct himself when away from Lambeau Field:

Is it really a case of ''you are who you hang with?'' It seems so with Packer management and Johnny Jolly will soon not be a Green Bay Packer.

PACKERS!

Human beings are full of cntradicitons. Steve McNair did great charity work in his community, he apprently was a kind person, loved his community - but he also cheated on his wife (and cheated himself in the process, I would argue) with not only the 20 year old supposedly. He was a complex man, like all human beings are complex.

Johnny Jolly might be, at times, a penis and an idiot, but he may also be quiet about himself and pretty hardworking and sometimes and in some ways a good teammate.

[woodbuck27]

WOW! That report is full of contradictions.

a) a good teammate with an excellent attitude or

b) a man with a mysterious dark and disturbing personality and disruptive on the field?

As to the warnings of how Johnny Jolly must conduct himself when away from Lambeau Field:

Is it really a case of ''you are who you hang with?'' It seems so with Packer management and Johnny Jolly will soon not be a Green Bay Packer.

PACKERS!

Human beings are full of cntradicitons. Steve McNair did great charity work in his community, he apprently was a kind person, loved his community - but he also cheated on his wife (and cheated himself in the process, I would argue) with not only the 20 year old supposedly. He was a complex man, like all human beings are complex.

Johnny Jolly might be, at times, a penis and an idiot, but he may also be quiet about himself and pretty hardworking and sometimes and in some ways a good teammate.

Yes Fritz isn't that the truth .

Looking at this young man (as private or mysterious) and especially after reading your response Fritz. I hope that Johnny Jolly gets no or the lightest slap on the wrist by ' the Law '.

If that's the case I hope Packer management just measures Jolly's work in TC and on the field as a football player worthy or not of wearing the Green and Gold.

GO PACKERS!

[DonHutson]

No problem on the blogging, but when you are doing both, then the opinions expressed on the blog become a prism to deconstruct his writing, especially his opinion/analysis pieces.

I guess my problem with him, and others that do both, is that my perception is that when he feels like doing his homework, it's an article. If he's being lazy and just surfing the web for rumors it's a blog.

Maybe I'm fighting the wave of the future, but I feel like if you call yourself a journalist, and you're posting on a website operated by an organization that considers itself a legitimate news source, then you should have the same journalistic standards whether you call it a blog or a column.

And I understand that the problem is bigger than Greg Bedard. The newspaper sites are competing with non-traditional sites and the result is that to compete in a never ending news-cycle you get more business when you post a lot of new crap than when you post a little bit of quality work.

But since I find myself thinking about the fall of legitimate journalism most often when I read Bedard, I'll make him my scapegoat.

[MJZiggy]

And now you understand why newspapers are failing. At least one big reason why.

Postman was right. News has become entirely entertainment--integrity be damned.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

And now you understand why newspapers are failing. At least one big reason why.

Postman was right. News has become entirely entertainment--integrity be damned.

Newspapers aren't dying because of this type of stuff..hell the NYT site is top 10 for news.

Papers are in trouble because the cost of newsprint went up, ad revs are down, and because papers were generalists. The internet enabled specificity to become profitable.

Look at Politico. The site drove the creation of a newspaper. Not vice versa.

[MJZiggy]

I said ONE reason. When a paper loses its cred, it's dead in the water. No one thinks NYT is there for entertainment which is why it's surviving as well as it is. It's kept its reputation as a more serious news outlet.

[cpk1994]

I said ONE reason. When a paper loses its cred, it's dead in the water. No one thinks NYT is there for entertainment which is why it's surviving as well as it is. It's kept its reputation as a more serious news outlet.

I know this maybe a shock, but the NYT isn't surviving well. Their paper is gong down the crapper, losing subscribers left and right, because of its far left tatics.

[pbmax]

I said ONE reason. When a paper loses its cred, it's dead in the water. No one thinks NYT is there for entertainment which is why it's surviving as well as it is. It's kept its reputation as a more serious news outlet.

I know this maybe a shock, but the NYT isn't surviving well. Their paper is gong down the crapper, losing subscribers left and right, because of its far left tatics.

So all newspapers are suffering for the reasons listed by Ty (please also add the decline in Classfied Ads specifically-Craig's List) but the NYT is suffering especially for its far left tactics? Please provide links to back this up.

[falco]

While the NYT does enjoy a slight "left of center" view, I believe only the "silent majority" views their writing as "far left."