Official Packers/Browns Thread (Preseason Ver)

[rbaloha1]

Forgot that James Jones looks more fluid this season -- clearly #3. Nelson looked tentative.

[Lurker64]

My player of the game is Jarius Wynn. Bishop's int was a pop fly caused by a hit on the QB that Wynn had, and Wynn made a nice double move to beat his guy to get it. Smith's int was off of Wynn pressure as well I believe. He got good movement into the pocket when he didn't get home. His run blocking was real nice, they didn't get much running at him. He also showed a lot of hustle chasing plays on both sides of the field, even if they went away from him, taking good angles in case his hustle was needed. I like that a lot in the DL, most of our guys lacked hustle last year. Kid showed a lot of play awareness, something that separates the men from the boys on the DL. All the physical ability in the world is useless without play awareness, and Wynn has a ton of it.

Do you think Wynn can make the final roster? When we drafted him I thought "well, we've got to get somebody at DE who has PS eligibility", but he might actually stick? That's exciting.

[Waldo]

My player of the game is Jarius Wynn. Bishop's int was a pop fly caused by a hit on the QB that Wynn had, and Wynn made a nice double move to beat his guy to get it. Smith's int was off of Wynn pressure as well I believe. He got good movement into the pocket when he didn't get home. His run blocking was real nice, they didn't get much running at him. He also showed a lot of hustle chasing plays on both sides of the field, even if they went away from him, taking good angles in case his hustle was needed. I like that a lot in the DL, most of our guys lacked hustle last year. Kid showed a lot of play awareness, something that separates the men from the boys on the DL. All the physical ability in the world is useless without play awareness, and Wynn has a ton of it.

Do you think Wynn can make the final roster? When we drafted him I thought "well, we've got to get somebody at DE who has PS eligibility", but he might actually stick? That's exciting.

I'd take him over Monty. He definitely looked better. He's got some fairly refined pass rushing moves (I counted at least 3 well executed (bull, swim, hump)). Played 1 tech, 3 tech, and 5 tech. Held a double OK at 1 tech.

The one I question is Toribio. He looked like he belonged as well. If we cut him he almost surely won't clear waivers (Athletic NT's are in high demand in all schemes). Could be tradable. If we keep 7 DL, Toribio sticks IMO. Granted their OL wasn't as good as ours, but he played every bit as good as Ahtyba Rubin, their backup NT that started and played the first half. His best play, he blew up Alex Mack on a run (Mack went backwards). They shot the G's back to the LB's (everybodies fear with ""the" 3-4, the only time they did it all night), Toribio drove Mack back and got past him, forcing a hold (would have been a TFL without the hold). They had to hold Wynn on the same play as well (uncalled). This is the same Mack that could handle Raji in the Senior Bowl by himself, and Mack has surely improved since then.

Right now I'd keep Pickett, Jenkins, Raji, Jolly, Harrell, and Wynn, with Toribio as the #7 guy.

Tally would be my PS guy. Gotta see more out of Monty for him to stick. Not only does he lack Wynn's upside, he costs A LOT more money.

[SkinBasket]

I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

You're right. Giving up 0 points usually leads to defeat.

Why the smart ass remarks in this thread? Am I not entitled to my opinion? Get off me, guy. Several things: They allowed the Browns to drive several times, including a dropped touchdown and a penalty on a field goal. Also, it's the Browns, a team that is most likely going to be horrible.

The defense wasn't super sharp imo. Quinn had a lot of time to throw the ball at the beginning of the game. I suspect they'll be a lot better once they get all their guys in there starting.

Remember... the Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year.

You're posting on an internet forum, guy. If your opinion doesn't match my opinion, am I not entitled to my opinion? We're supposed to be here to exchange and debate ideas, not just yell them at everyone and expect pats on the back. When you post things like, "Bishop should be the starter!" and "Hawk got blowed up all night!" some sane people are going to disagree.

The defense was playing without it's two starting CBs, arguably the best tandem in the league, and without its longstanding middle linebacker. Yeah, it's the preseason, and it's the Browns, but allowing 0 points is not a common occurrence. No shit the Browns had a drive or two. That's how football works outside of playing Madden on the easy setting. Our defense is not going to win every play this season. They won't win every play in a game. Sometimes, they won't win every play in a drive. Even against the worst teams in the league. The point of the game, however (and regardless of how you feel about their "performance") is to score more points than the other team. When you allow 0 points, in any game, you're going to win. Thus and therefore, I feel the defense did a fine job. A wonderful job, in fact. Furthermore, the depth chart continued to create turnovers, play clean, and create pressure across the board.

Sure, you can discount everything that doesn't fit your own personal feelings by dismissing it as a preseason performance. But I'll take that performance over one that allows points any day.

[wist43]

I've always been high on Jolly... Jolly should certainly be starting ahead of Harrell.

Haven't seen enough of Wynn to form a solid opinion yet, but I liked what I saw... have to take the competition into acct though.

Can't believe Montgomery is still on the team... roster says he's in his 5th year - wow, can't believe he's been around that long - I had him being cut as a rookie

[Waldo]

I've always been high on Jolly... Jolly should certainly be starting ahead of Harrell.

Haven't seen enough of Wynn to form a solid opinion yet, but I liked what I saw... have to take the competition into acct though.

Can't believe Montgomery is still on the team... roster says he's in his 5th year - wow, can't believe he's been around that long - I had him being cut as a rookie

I believe their starting OL played the whole first half, including both Thomas and Mack.

[SkinBasket]

Bishop's now depth charted behind Hawk, FWIW at this point. It'll be interesting to compare them if they play the same position and have the same responsibilities come this weekend.