Any Noise about a Potential Hawk Trade?

[Fritz]

I think this trade talk stuff is at the least premature. At the least.

And what does anyone really think the Packers would get in exchange? By the accounts of several people here, Hawk did not have a good year last year. And so a GM from another team would give up what?

He has more value to the Packers than could be gotten in return. And really, who thinks Bishop can be a reliable consistent linebacker? Has he really proven that?

[bobblehead]

Have not seen the on-field attitude you mention. Lets hope it surfaces today.

He didn't mention *on-field* attitude... which I'd argue there was a fair amount of even last year.

He said 'attitude'. The guy comes to work, sets an example for guys around him and has played just about every snap since coming in the league. I realize we all have higher hopes for him, but he's definitely been an asset to the team from day 1.

Very true mission, this is a huge part of hawks value in my book. He shows everyone around him what its like to be a pro. I hope he bounces back strong.

[Fosco33]

Very nice, Waldo. It seems you're a private guy that obviously knows more about football operations than the above average guy... what's your background? Did you work in football finance, operations, scouting, coaching??

[Fritz]

Waldo has said elsewhere he is a government employee. This smacks of dark corners, conspiracies, and the like.

He may be involved in a secret project involving the Green Bay Packers.

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Waldo has said elsewhere he is a government employee. This smacks of dark corners, conspiracies, and the like.

He may be involved in a secret project involving the Green Bay Packers.

you wanna know what i think?

i think waldo is some kind of deviated prevert commie spy who's trying to not only flouridate the water at lambeau field, but also the beer and brats. all in an attempt to destroy our precious bodily fluids.

thats how your hardcore commie works

[pittstang5]

Trading Hawk because of Bishop reminds me of the Hodge/Barnett controversy from a couple years ago.

IMO...Hawk ain't going nowhere.

[BallHawk]

Hodge=Bishop.

[Harlan Huckleby]

According to Ben Maller on rumor section on foxsports.com there are many packers up for trade. Including:

LB AJ Hawk
T/G Tony Moll
LB Brady Poppinga
S Aaron Rouse
QB Brian Brohm
DB Jarrett Bush

Hawk obviously has trade value. Rouse will draw a low draft pick because he is cheap and has some experience. I think teams would expect to get the other guys on wavers, even Poppinga.

[Waldo]

There comes a point when you teach yourself as much as you can about football, study as much as you can about the game, that you realize that the reporters that create the knowledge base for the common fan, the guys that shape fan perceptions almost exclusively, don't really know all that much about the game.

It seems like their job as beat reporters should be to know every in an out of the game. Sadly this isn't the case. And I do think that Bedard is one of the better ones.

The GBPG came off as surprised that Capers was talking up Jarius Wynn this week. I had to tweet them that it was pretty sad that they didn't notice it too, after all, if you can recognize good and bad line play, he should have stuck out like a sore thumb.

Yet these guys are at every practice and are supposed to be the ones telling us who is playing well and who isn't.

Somehow I don't think that anybody has clued them in to the differences between a mack linebacker and a buck linebacker. They never did figure out the differences between a sam and a will (and what good play at each position looked like), and they had 15 years to try to figure it out.

It all started about 6-7 years ago when I figured out that Favre wasn't that great. And I was apparently the only one in on this little secret.

Don't worry. AJ isn't playing bad. In fact he looked quite good at buck. Lansanah too. I don't know if Bishop is cut out to play buck, I don't think that he has spent any time there at camp, even though that is his current position on the depth chart. When the mack is getting glory and making big plays, the buck is playing good.

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hawk isn't going anywhere. it's not like he's sucked. he's been solid and dependable, and rarely makes mistakes.

he's not flashy, but he does his job

[Fritz]

There comes a point when you teach yourself as much as you can about football, study as much as you can about the game, that you realize that the reporters that create the knowledge base for the common fan, the guys that shape fan perceptions almost exclusively, don't really know all that much about the game.

It seems like their job as beat reporters should be to know every in an out of the game. Sadly this isn't the case. And I do think that Bedard is one of the better ones.

The GBPG came off as surprised that Capers was talking up Jarius Wynn this week. I had to tweet them that it was pretty sad that they didn't notice it too, after all, if you can recognize good and bad line play, he should have stuck out like a sore thumb.

Yet these guys are at every practice and are supposed to be the ones telling us who is playing well and who isn't.

Somehow I don't think that anybody has clued them in to the differences between a mack linebacker and a buck linebacker. They never did figure out the differences between a sam and a will (and what good play at each position looked like), and they had 15 years to try to figure it out.

It all started about 6-7 years ago when I figured out that Favre wasn't that great. And I was apparently the only one in on this little secret.

Don't worry. AJ isn't playing bad. In fact he looked quite good at buck. Lansanah too. I don't know if Bishop is cut out to play buck, I don't think that he has spent any time there at camp, even though that is his current position on the depth chart. When the mack is getting glory and making big plays, the buck is playing good.

Well, Waldo, I definitely agree. PBMax and I, and maybe some others I can't recall (Patler?) have had an ongoing interest in the knowledge/lack of knowledge many reporters seem to have and how that shapes fan perception. One possibility that I and some others believe is that digging and study has been replaced by "impressions" and speculation.

I'm okay with speculation and impressions on fan sites - we're fans, so lack of knowledge and blowing with the prevailing winds are more expected though aggravating sometimes. Reporters, however, sometimes seem to fall into the trap of forming an opinion and then pretzelling facts or ignoring facts to support the opinion. The article on Thompson's shortcomings as a first round draftsm,an is a good example. It was filler, and more insightful discussions of Thompson's abilities have been posted by people on this board and others in the past.

I'd also like some sense of the reporters having perhaps some inside sources upon which to draw, but I don't get much of that. Maybe that's a good thing if it means the ship is tight on Lombardi Avenue, but it does leave reporters grasping at straws and speculating.

But your point is a good one, I think - there should be no excuse for not understanding the game thoroughly if you're going to report on it. But knowledge is not as entertaining as "narratives" which is what the reporters are in the business of constructing.

[MJZiggy]

Fritz, also don't discount that when they blast the organization, they are being sensational as they know the article will generate a lot of clicks and generate reader comments.

[cheesner]

Waldo has said elsewhere he is a government employee. This smacks of dark corners, conspiracies, and the like.

He may be involved in a secret project involving the Green Bay Packers.

you wanna know what i think?

i think waldo is some kind of deviated prevert commie spy who's trying to not only flouridate the water at lambeau field, but also the beer and brats. all in an attempt to destroy our precious bodily fluids.

thats how your hardcore commie works

I heard that he made a fortune in the 90's with a series of childrens books. He now relaxes by the pool in Tahiti, surfing the web and reading about the Packers.

[Brando19]

I love how Waldo posts from different posts about how he's smarter than someone else.


Hopefully Hawk wont go anywhere.

[The Shadow]

Personally, if Bishop and Chillar's play forced the Packers to move someone, I'd prefer to keep Hawk and move Barnett.