Bob Sanders really was that bad

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a lot of us on here were really on the fire bob sanders band wagon from day one.

the d's uninspired play and vanilla scheme were really thorns in our side. there was hardly any fight on that side of the ball

now bob is gone and dom is in charge and it's amazing to see the total transformation of this team. its not just the switch to the 3-4 but the attitude and speed of the players.

its the same players (except the rooks), just a different attitude

to me this just shows how bad sanders was. to me thats the only major black spot on m3's resume, he hired and kept sanders even when it was clear he sucked

it should also be noted that capers and m3 have brought in some other top notch assistants that are also helping the cause

[sheepshead]

Night and Day my Packer Brothah.

[BallHawk]

And here's the sad thing, we had a coach on our team WORSE than Bob Sanders.....and he went by the name Kurt.

[Fritz]

By golly, I'm always up for kicking a guy who's no longer around.

Frickin' Schottenheimer. If the team plays lousy this year it'll be his fault too!

[KYPack]

The guy was the DC on a 13-3 team. Sometimes a good year can really hurt you. Lot's of teams really prepped for the Pack bc they were seen as a powerhouse. The more coaches that looked at tape, the more OC's realized the Packers were an easy read on defense.

6-10 helped MM pull the trigger on cleaning house, at least.

[pbmax]

Yes, Reggie Miller and the Pacers were a MUCH better offensive team KY

I thought Sanders was given way too much blame last year. He clearly wasn't Buddy Ryan, but it simply didn't look like he had the players. Even the small fade at the end (esp. pass rush) in 07 seemed linked to injuries.

I agree Capers is far more capable, even if we are just to base that on his history. So I think this will be very good for the team long term. But I am not ready yet to pass final judgement on Sanders until we lose a few guys on D this year and see what happens.

That said, for preseason, this transition has gone over more smoothly than I would have expected and rarely have I been happier to be wrong.

[KYPack]

I put an "instant edit' on that type, PB.

Truth is, I type "Pacers" quite a lot.

The spellcheck doesn't catch that baby, but I usually am able to eyeball the error before it goes to post.

[Administrator]

I put an "instant edit' on that type, PB.

Truth is, I type "Pacers" quite a lot.

The spellcheck doesn't catch that baby, but I usually am able to eyeball the error before it goes to post.

I'm glad you explained. You caught it before I did, and I was confused by the other post. :P I couldn't figure out what the heck Reggie Miller and the pacers had to do with your point!

[VegasPackFan]

I was of the opinion that we had pretty good players and in some cases really good players and talent on the D, but that the talent was being wasted to some extent with those teriible schemes.

There was ZERO innovation and imagination.

[Bretsky]

Re: Bob Sanders really was that bad

a lot of us on here were really on the fire bob sanders band wagon from day one.

the d's uninspired play and vanilla scheme were really thorns in our side. there was hardly any fight on that side of the ball

now bob is gone and dom is in charge and it's amazing to see the total transformation of this team. its not just the switch to the 3-4 but the attitude and speed of the players.

its the same players (except the rooks), just a different attitude

to me this just shows how bad sanders was. to me thats the only major black spot on m3's resume, he hired and kept sanders even when it was clear he sucked

it should also be noted that capers and m3 have brought in some other top notch assistants that are also helping the cause

DITTO; I was on the fire Bob Wagon three quarters of the way into year one of his terror and hated the hire in the first place

Glad to see the ship is above water again

[Scott Campbell]

In fairness to Sanders, Capers probably couldn't have overcome the loss of Jenkins, Barnett and Harris either. IMO

[Tarlam!]

In fairness to Vanilla Bob, he ran the Bates defense that most of us heralded when it came from the original source. Bates, however, didn't stutter. V-Bob does.

And to a man, the defensive players stood behind V-Bob in the press, only now are they remarking on improvements.

[Fritz]

Re: Bob Sanders really was that bad

a lot of us on here were really on the fire bob sanders band wagon from day one.

the d's uninspired play and vanilla scheme were really thorns in our side. there was hardly any fight on that side of the ball

now bob is gone and dom is in charge and it's amazing to see the total transformation of this team. its not just the switch to the 3-4 but the attitude and speed of the players.

its the same players (except the rooks), just a different attitude

to me this just shows how bad sanders was. to me thats the only major black spot on m3's resume, he hired and kept sanders even when it was clear he sucked

it should also be noted that capers and m3 have brought in some other top notch assistants that are also helping the cause

DITTO; I was on the fire Bob Wagon three quarters of the way into year one of his terror and hated the hire in the first place

Glad to see the ship is above water again

And I don't know for sure, but I think you also came up with the moniker "Vanilla Bob," which really stuck.

[Kiwon]

Coaching is a strange profession.

13-3, you're a hero. A losing record, you stink.

You could turn it around and focus on Capers.

He's got a 48-80 record as head coach. What's wrong with the guy? So is he a good coach or a lousy coach based upon his record?

Isn't coaching basically about motivating the players, getting the right players to fit your scheme, and then praying like crazy that they don't get injured?

Success is fleeting, losing is the norm. Even the best coach gets fired one day and his talents considered suspect.

Like I said, it's a strange profession.

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In fairness to Sanders, Capers probably couldn't have overcome the loss of Jenkins, Barnett and Harris either. IMO

injuries or not, every player on the d seems to have a certain spark, or more energy or something that they didn't have in previous years