What to do at Right Tackle?

[Noodle]

Ogunleye single-handedly disrupted the packer offense.

I'm going to agree with you.

I knew it would happen eventually -- you two should get a room.

[Fritz]

I think Barbre is going to be fine. For whatever reason, probably Og's quickness, he showed horrible footwork for three and a half quarters of the game. His ass end was locked down like his feet were stuck in cow shit and he tried to knock Og off his rush with a single lunge--like that would ever work. Late in the game they ran a replay of Barbre when he did get the job done and it finally looked as if he was shuffling and sliding the way a good lineman should.

If he got away with bad habits in college he'll learn good ones by next week or he'll be benched the way Colledge was in his first season.

jmo

Swede, were you a coach?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The bad thing about the game: Barbre. The good thing: I think he almost singled-handedly bogged down the Packers offense (plus a couple of debatable holding calls and drops). They'll have to account for him now. I'm not sure they thought he'd be that bad. I thought Colledge, Spitz, and Sitton held up well.

[swede]

His ass end was locked down like his feet were stuck in cow shit and he tried to knock Og off his rush with a single lunge--like that would ever work...jmo

Swede, were you a coach?

Because my kid is a running back I had a vested interest in working with the offensive line in youth football. My kid is on to freshman ball this year but I'm staying on because it's great fun to teach kids about the game. Part of the fun is shocking the boys with the artistic use of manly language (See Gran Torino).

It is a big challenge at every level of football to get the big boys to lower their asses, use their feet, and...all together now...get their pad level down. Sometimes the biggest most talented ones are most stubborn because they can get away with using size and strength to overcome poor leverage for a long time.

Barbre has been around a couple of years now but I believe this was his first big game as a starter. I think he panicked and forget to use techniques they start teaching in Pop Warner. I think he'll be better next week.

[hoosier]

Wasn't Barbre supposed to be the most athletic lineman on the team? If that's the case it's hard for me to imagine how he's suddenly going to recover. Ogunleye didn't beat him with raw power.

[swede]

Wasn't Barbre supposed to be the most athletic lineman on the team? If that's the case it's hard for me to imagine how he's suddenly going to recover. Ogunleye didn't beat him with raw power.

You are right about that methinks. He beat him with speed by going around wide. Then he'd get Barbre leaning out and go the other way.

Maybe Barbre is too slow to play RT, but then what the hell is up with all this talk about being athletic? (Not meaning you, Hoosier, but them who represent "they") If Barbre is the most athletic lineman doesn't that suggest quickness and strength?

I remember that Colledge sucked pretty bad in the early part of his rookie year. I'm just leaving open the possibility that Barbre is not a permanently horrible RT and that he may be rehabilitated by applying some discipline to his technique.

[Lurker64]

Barbre is certainly athletic, anybody who has seen him get down the field on special teams coverage can tell you that. I think a lot of the holes in his game at this point are mental, he just looked beat and demoralized for parts of that game and I don't think we got the best out of him.

He's a strong, fast dude. He's just relatively inexperienced and he's not the sharpest bulb in this metaphor.

[sharpe1027]

Wasn't Barbre supposed to be the most athletic lineman on the team? If that's the case it's hard for me to imagine how he's suddenly going to recover. Ogunleye didn't beat him with raw power.

He did a great job of holding Ogunleye's hand all the way to the QB. Sad part was, he didn't wiff, he just kinda walked with him to the QB.

[Patler]

Wasn't Barbre supposed to be the most athletic lineman on the team? If that's the case it's hard for me to imagine how he's suddenly going to recover. Ogunleye didn't beat him with raw power.

You are right about that methinks. He beat him with speed by going around wide. Then he'd get Barbre leaning out and go the other way.

Maybe Barbre is too slow to play RT, but then what the hell is up with all this talk about being athletic? (Not meaning you, Hoosier, but them who represent "they") If Barbre is the most athletic lineman doesn't that suggest quickness and strength?

I remember that Colledge sucked pretty bad in the early part of his rookie year. I'm just leaving open the possibility that Barbre is not a permanently horrible RT and that he may be rehabilitated by applying some discipline to his technique.

Mike Wahle was acknowledged to be the most athletic lineman on the team when he was in GB, which made the team think he could play left tackle. Unlike Barbre, who has no NFL playing experience to speak of, when Wahle made the switch he had started the year before at guard. Wahle was just as bad at LT as Barbre was last night at RT. After a handful of games, Clifton took over and Wahle disappeared to the bench, to re-emerge as a guard again the next season.

Just because you are the best raw athlete doesn't necessarily mean you can play tackle. On the other hand, I believe Barbre was a tackle in college, unlike Wahle.

[Tony Oday]

OG is a top tier DE...Babre is not a top tier RT yet...this is scheme IMO...when Finley was chipping OG Babre could take him on. Reminds me of Korey Stringer agains Reggie, yeah Stringer was good but not that good!