NFC North QB Race 2009

[channtheman]

The problem with QB ratings is that they correlate with both run proficiency and defensive stats. So they are a metric of team-wide play that doesn't take the opposition into account.

If any other QB in the NFCN were given AP and the Bengals as an opponent, they'd have at least as high a QB rating as Favre had this week. They can all hand it off with the best of them and throw 8 yard dump offs. [/rant]

8 yards? You give the man way too much credit.

Favre threw 21 passes Sunday, targeting a running back or a tight end on almost 60 percent of them. Only four of his passes traveled more than 5 yards in the air.

Yeah I fast forwarded the Vikings game and only watched the offense. I counted that stat as well. Only 4 passes that were more than 5 yards, and not really anything that I thought warranted 12 million dollars.

[Zool]

I judge the QB's based on games won, not personal stats.

EXACTLY; but you know folk on either side of the Favre/Aaaron comparison will be chompn at the bit to throw numbers out there as if we're talkn about pro tennis and not the ultimate TEAM game of fball....

Much like many will do if Favre has a monster game this season. You're not helping the situation with shit like this Mobb.

I disagree Z; i dont recall people who still support favre engaging in any mean-spirited gloating last year when he played well. Do you? Remember evrything was kept in one thread and no Favre supporters EVER bashed aaron if i remember correctly. NO WAY you can say my post was stirring pot either.... . I simply said I agree that numbers arent as important in sports like fball


DAYUM...axe to grind?

Yes I do. Its funny how when you agree with someone how you dont see it as gloating. Go talk to a Bears fan today.

[packerbacker1234]

Yeah I fast forwarded the Vikings game and only watched the offense. I counted that stat as well. Only 4 passes that were more than 5 yards, and not really anything that I thought warranted 12 million dollars.

Early in the season I doubt your going to see the value they saw in Favre, or any reason they got him. He needs some extended "preseason" work and in the meantime, he can just hand to AP 3/4 downs like they did last year and still score a lot of points and win.

It's when they need a game winning drive, or face a team that can bottle up AP, that you will see "why they got him". They will turn to him to win football games when they have to, and those are the games they got #4 for. They didn't even have a single PA Deep look last game... because they didn't need it.

Give it time. Right now, what matters is W's and both Favre and Rodgers got them this weekend.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They didn't even have a single PA Deep look last game... because they didn't need it.

Actually, it sounds like they had a few, but Favre got sacked on most of them.

[MOBB DEEP]

I judge the QB's based on games won, not personal stats.

EXACTLY; but you know folk on either side of the Favre/Aaaron comparison will be chompn at the bit to throw numbers out there as if we're talkn about pro tennis and not the ultimate TEAM game of fball....

Much like many will do if Favre has a monster game this season. You're not helping the situation with shit like this Mobb.

I disagree Z; i dont recall people who still support favre engaging in any mean-spirited gloating last year when he played well. Do you? Remember evrything was kept in one thread and no Favre supporters EVER bashed aaron if i remember correctly. NO WAY you can say my post was stirring pot either.... . I simply said I agree that numbers arent as important in sports like fball


DAYUM...axe to grind?

Yes I do. Its funny how when you agree with someone how you dont see it as gloating. Go talk to a Bears fan today.

OK, I will do my best to not engage in any of that foolishness this year...

Cool?

Still disagree that my post today could hurt the situation though

[MOBB DEEP]

Yeah I fast forwarded the Vikings game and only watched the offense. I counted that stat as well. Only 4 passes that were more than 5 yards, and not really anything that I thought warranted 12 million dollars.

Early in the season I doubt your going to see the value they saw in Favre, or any reason they got him. He needs some extended "preseason" work and in the meantime, he can just hand to AP 3/4 downs like they did last year and still score a lot of points and win.

It's when they need a game winning drive, or face a team that can bottle up AP, that you will see "why they got him". They will turn to him to win football games when they have to, and those are the games they got #4 for. They didn't even have a single PA Deep look last game... because they didn't need it.

Give it time. Right now, what matters is W's and both Favre and Rodgers got them this weekend.

QFT...

When teams start bringing LBs up a lil to shut down AD look for the crossing routes behind the LBs and those INs that favre is good at...

Favre was brought in for 3rd down conversions (Minny's achiles) and redzone play, not probowl "numbers." Imagine if aaron had that OLine: DEF mvp 5,000 yrds

[Dabaddestbear]

lets keep it honest.

[Rastak]

After week 2.....


1. Favre 110.2
2. Rodgers 87
3. Cutler 71.5
4. Stafford 40.5


Favre getting some big time help from his running game and a dink and dunk offense employed to counter the constant blitzing teams are doing against the Vikings.

[Scott Campbell]

After week 2.....


1. Favre 110.2
2. Rodgers 87
3. Cutler 71.5
4. Stafford 40.5


Favre getting some big time help from his running game and a dink and dunk offense employed to counter the constant blitzing teams are doing against the Vikings.

With a big tip of the hat to the schedule.

[MOBB DEEP]

I would imagine teams will start tryna make favre beat them with more than dinks, etc...but then u risking alot with BB and Harvin's blazn speed

[MOBB DEEP]

Kornheiser just said that if favre continues to be 23 for 27 the queens win the SB

He needs to be puttn up bigger numbers imho tho....stop managing the game like the two-decade player that he is, ala Elway at the end! Needs to make a bigger impact

ALL that loot he's gettn....?

[Deputy Nutz]

After week 2.....


1. Favre 110.2
2. Rodgers 87
3. Cutler 71.5
4. Stafford 40.5


Favre getting some big time help from his running game and a dink and dunk offense employed to counter the constant blitzing teams are doing against the Vikings.

With a big tip of the hat to the schedule.

Favre doesn't love you anymore.

[Dabaddestbear]

After week 2.....


1. Favre 110.2
2. Rodgers 87
3. Cutler 71.5
4. Stafford 40.5


Favre getting some big time help from his running game and a dink and dunk offense employed to counter the constant blitzing teams are doing against the Vikings.

With a big tip of the hat to the schedule.

They take them (games) as they are dished out. The Bengals was supposed to be one of the easiest spreads this week, but the Packers allowed a major upset. That upset was the largest of this weekend according to the Vegas odds. Go ahead and check it out SC, and then go mute as usual...

Thanks to the Packers choke against lesser talent (on paper) my pockets enjoyed a sweet financial gain.

[Rastak]

He is right though.....you sort of didn't address point baddest. He was discussing Favre and it's been a weak schedule to start the season.

[Dabaddestbear]

He is right though.....you sort of didn't address point baddest. He was discussing Favre and it's been a weak schedule to start the season.

The Point was addressed in regards to the Pack getting Cincy but failing to come away with a win. The Packers were bigger favorites than the Vikings were against the Lions. And the Bears were the only team that was considered an underdog amongst the three. Yet Rodgers and his WR's failed to produce against what many have perceived a weak defense.

So once again, is it the other teams fault that even when you do get an easy team on your schedule and you still don't pull it out? What will the excuse be if they can not pull one out against the lowly Rams?