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Originally posted by crosbiegradI agree with what has been said above about Peterson. He's easily the league's best player and I'd trade Rodgers for him in a heartbeat but Joe Flacco?!!!! I'd be pissed if Thompson traded Rodgers for Flacco
Prolly has him on his fantasy team. And last week he put up big numbers....thats what i think.
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I wouldn't even trade him for Peterson, and I mean that as no disrespect to Peterson. I would not trade a young QB with Rodgers seeming potential and performance already for any running back. With Peterson the Vikings have been a bit hamstrung by their QB play. With a good QB you can work the offense with even just OK skill at any of a number of positions, a good (not great) running RB, a good receiving RB, one or more good WRs, a good TE; all of which are easier to find than QBs. You can even be successful with just adequate players at all other skill positions if the QB is good enough to maximize their performances.Originally posted by RastakI probably wouldn't trade him for anything but another QB.....maybe Peterson being the only exception.
By and large teams with out good QBs struggle on offense. Teams with good QBs seem to do at least OK offensively.
Besides, Rodgers will just be hitting his peak years in 5 years, and Peterson's could already be behind him. Even the elite backs are true difference makers for only a very short time. Rodgers can give you 12-15 seasons.
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I wouldn't trade Rodgers for anything other than multiple players, including one or more elite ones and a solid starting QB.
A young, promising, productive, and talented QB with a good contract is one of the most valuable things you can have in the NFL. I haven't seen enough of most of the other young QBs to consider them really any better than Rodgers. Flacco and Ryan both landed in great situations and weren't really called upon to actually win games for their teams (unlike Rodgers), Young and Leinart are busts to this point (though there's hope for Leinart), Cutler and Rivers are both headcases, Manning and Roethlisberger are overrated and are largely successful because of their elite defenses and one or two unique characteristics (e.g. Roethlisberger is one of the hardest NFL QBs to tackle in the history of the game). Some of these guys might turn out to be better than Rodgers, some might not, but at this point: who the hell knows? If I'm not getting a player I clearly consider an upgrade, I wouldn't really gamble and trade a promising young budding star with a team-friendly contract. It's not smart to gamble on coin flips.
If I could land, say, Peterson and Roethlisberger for Rodgers, I would consider it.</delurk>
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1. That Atlanta team picking 3rd to get Ryan was horrible. Ryan is a stud.Originally posted by Lurker64I wouldn't trade Rodgers for anything other than multiple players, including one or more elite ones and a solid starting QB.
A young, promising, productive, and talented QB with a good contract is one of the most valuable things you can have in the NFL. I haven't seen enough of most of the other young QBs to consider them really any better than Rodgers. Flacco and Ryan both landed in great situations and weren't really called upon to actually win games for their teams (unlike Rodgers), Young and Leinart are busts to this point (though there's hope for Leinart), Cutler and Rivers are both headcases, Manning and Roethlisberger are overrated and are largely successful because of their elite defenses and one or two unique characteristics (e.g. Roethlisberger is one of the hardest NFL QBs to tackle in the history of the game).
If I could land, say, Peterson and Roethlisberger for Rodgers, I might consider it.
2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.
3. Why is there only hope for Leinart? Young has actually won NFL games, something that until this past week even our very own Rodgers hadn't done.
4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever.
5. Big ben overrated? How? Sure, there D is good, but he carries that offense. He has the moxy to win games when it matters (same can be said for VY). Thinking Roethlisberger is overrated says everything we need to know. The guy is a star imo. I would trade Rodgers + any other Packer for Roethlisberger and I would come out WAY ahead over time imo.
6. You might do Rodgers for Roethlisberger and Peterson? You had better execute that trade as fast as you can before the Vikings/Steelers wake up, because Rodgers is a huge step down from either of the other two players involved imo.
This post is looney.
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Whats looney is comparing Vince Young to Big Ben... Get real.Originally posted by Partial1. That Atlanta team picking 3rd to get Ryan was horrible. Ryan is a stud.Originally posted by Lurker64I wouldn't trade Rodgers for anything other than multiple players, including one or more elite ones and a solid starting QB.
A young, promising, productive, and talented QB with a good contract is one of the most valuable things you can have in the NFL. I haven't seen enough of most of the other young QBs to consider them really any better than Rodgers. Flacco and Ryan both landed in great situations and weren't really called upon to actually win games for their teams (unlike Rodgers), Young and Leinart are busts to this point (though there's hope for Leinart), Cutler and Rivers are both headcases, Manning and Roethlisberger are overrated and are largely successful because of their elite defenses and one or two unique characteristics (e.g. Roethlisberger is one of the hardest NFL QBs to tackle in the history of the game).
If I could land, say, Peterson and Roethlisberger for Rodgers, I might consider it.
2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.
3. Why is there only hope for Leinart? Young has actually won NFL games, something that until this past week even our very own Rodgers hadn't done.
4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever.
5. Big ben overrated? How? Sure, there D is good, but he carries that offense. He has the moxy to win games when it matters (same can be said for VY). Thinking Roethlisberger is overrated says everything we need to know. The guy is a star imo. I would trade Rodgers + any other Packer for Roethlisberger and I would come out WAY ahead over time imo.
6. You might do Rodgers for Roethlisberger and Peterson? You had better execute that trade as fast as you can before the Vikings/Steelers wake up, because Rodgers is a huge step down from either of the other two players involved imo.
This post is looney.Normal is an illusion. What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly. -Morticia Addams
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I think he was referring to Ely, who is without a doubt overrated. Peyton's great and all, but is far enough past his prime that it'd be hard justify he'd be better than Rodgers over the next 10 years.Originally posted by Partial4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever
Big Ben won't stay healthy long enough over that time span either. He takes too many hits with his "I'll throw it when I want to throw it" style. He'll be lucky to last another three years.
I agree with the posters saying that the investment we've put into Rodgers makes him more valuable to us than any potential trade. He knows the system, has the respect of the locker room, and can win games for us in the near and long term. There's not another player in the league that would be worth the strife caused by replacing Arod.
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That's pretty much the way I feel. I'm not so sure there's a player in the league I'd rather have than Rodgers, playing as he is. Matt Ryan might be better...but no one can say for sure. And backs are dominant for a relatively short time. Just in the recent past...Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson had brief moments of glory. Tomlinson isn't as dominant as a guy who tore up the league just 2 years ago.Originally posted by PatlerI wouldn't even trade him for Peterson, and I mean that as no disrespect to Peterson. I would not trade a young QB with Rodgers seeming potential and performance already for any running back. With Peterson the Vikings have been a bit hamstrung by their QB play. With a good QB you can work the offense with even just OK skill at any of a number of positions, a good (not great) running RB, a good receiving RB, one or more good WRs, a good TE; all of which are easier to find than QBs. You can even be successful with just adequate players at all other skill positions if the QB is good enough to maximize their performances.Originally posted by RastakI probably wouldn't trade him for anything but another QB.....maybe Peterson being the only exception.
By and large teams with out good QBs struggle on offense. Teams with good QBs seem to do at least OK offensively.
Besides, Rodgers will just be hitting his peak years in 5 years, and Peterson's could already be behind him. Even the elite backs are true difference makers for only a very short time. Rodgers can give you 12-15 seasons.
So is there a single player who stands out as someone you'd give up Rodgers for in a heartbeat? I don't think so. Not saying there isn't one that wouldn't make sense after considering it, but nothing overwhelming.
Although I'd entertain offers of a combination of a good QB and a good RT!
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Good RBs are a dime a dozen. Good QBs are hard to find. Yes, Peterson is the best RB in the league, but the difference between him and Grant is lesser than the difference between Rodgers and a mediocre QB like Jackson or Rosenfelds. Add to that the undeniable fact (IMHO) that QB is the most important position on the field, and I wouldn't dream of trading Rodgers for Peterson unless I knew the Packers had a strong replacement for ARod.Originally posted by BallHawkPeterson being the best player in the NFL, I'd find it hard not to trade any player for him. Aside from him, there isn't a single player I'd trade Aaron for. Matt Ryan is still young. Tom Brady and Drew Brees are getting older. Rivers isn't the shining example of a guy I'd want on my team....and who said Joe Flacco? WTF?Originally posted by RastakI probably wouldn't trade him for anything but another QB.....maybe Peterson being the only exception.
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My knee jerk was obviously Peterson - that's a special guy at really important position.
But Patler swayed me, as usual, to change my mind and say for nobody would I trade Rodgers. Rodgers can be a special guy, too, but at the single most important position.
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Never have you been so lucid as when you typed those last words.Originally posted by Partial1. That Atlanta team picking 3rd to get Ryan was horrible. Ryan is a stud.
2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.
3. Why is there only hope for Leinart? Young has actually won NFL games, something that until this past week even our very own Rodgers hadn't done.
4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever.
5. Big ben overrated? How? Sure, there D is good, but he carries that offense. He has the moxy to win games when it matters (same can be said for VY). Thinking Roethlisberger is overrated says everything we need to know. The guy is a star imo. I would trade Rodgers + any other Packer for Roethlisberger and I would come out WAY ahead over time imo.
6. You might do Rodgers for Roethlisberger and Peterson? You had better execute that trade as fast as you can before the Vikings/Steelers wake up, because Rodgers is a huge step down from either of the other two players involved imo.
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Originally posted by Partial1. That Atlanta team picking 3rd to get Ryan was horrible. Ryan is a stud.Originally posted by Lurker64I wouldn't trade Rodgers for anything other than multiple players, including one or more elite ones and a solid starting QB.
A young, promising, productive, and talented QB with a good contract is one of the most valuable things you can have in the NFL. I haven't seen enough of most of the other young QBs to consider them really any better than Rodgers. Flacco and Ryan both landed in great situations and weren't really called upon to actually win games for their teams (unlike Rodgers), Young and Leinart are busts to this point (though there's hope for Leinart), Cutler and Rivers are both headcases, Manning and Roethlisberger are overrated and are largely successful because of their elite defenses and one or two unique characteristics (e.g. Roethlisberger is one of the hardest NFL QBs to tackle in the history of the game).
If I could land, say, Peterson and Roethlisberger for Rodgers, I might consider it.
Very good RB, one of the top WR in the league
2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.
Baltimore was 13-3 in 2006, and struggled to 5-11 in 2007. McNair had injury problems throughout the year and they bounced back and forth between McNair, Boller, and Troy Smith. The 3 of them combined to go 341/557 for 3,308 yards, 13 TD, 14 INT, and 39 sacks. Flacco went 257/428 for 2,971 yards, 14 TD, 12 INT, and 32 sacks. You are kidding yourself if you think Flacco led them to the championship game. They got there on the strength of a better defense and stronger rushing game (2,376 vs 1,797).
3. Why is there only hope for Leinart? Young has actually won NFL games, something that until this past week even our very own Rodgers hadn't done.
Talk to me when Young shows any indication he is turning it around
4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking about Peyton. Eli is highly overrated.
5. Big ben overrated? How? Sure, there D is good, but he carries that offense. He has the moxy to win games when it matters (same can be said for VY). Thinking Roethlisberger is overrated says everything we need to know. The guy is a star imo. I would trade Rodgers + any other Packer for Roethlisberger and I would come out WAY ahead over time imo.
Ben has the benefit of a good defense and running game. Sure, he makes plays in the clutch, but he wouldn't even be in position to make those plays if not for the D. How long will you continue to let VY live off of a few plays he made years ago? Isn't he due to do something this year, or is he gonna ride his reputation all the way to the HOF?
6. You might do Rodgers for Roethlisberger and Peterson? You had better execute that trade as fast as you can before the Vikings/Steelers wake up, because Rodgers is a huge step down from either of the other two players involved imo.
I would trade Rodgers for the 2 of them, but no way would I say Rodgers is a huge step down from Ben
This post is looney.Go PACK
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In TT fashion, I would trade him for 3 first round picks, then parlay those into 3 other firsts, 4 seconds and a 3rd, at which point...well, you get the idea, I would own the 2-4 rounds of the next 7 drafts before I was finished.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi
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Atlanta was not too far off some playoff appearances and had several nice pieces on defense. It also turned out to have a couple of good offensive pieces that were undervalued playing with Vick (White, for instance).Originally posted by Partial1. That Atlanta team picking 3rd to get Ryan was horrible. Ryan is a stud.
This post is looney.
Losing their starting QB threw the team into a tailspin not even Joey Harrington could pull them out of.
That said, they grabbed a fantastic RB and installed two new schemes in one offseason. So the best thing they may have had going for them was new coaching. They had a horrible season, but were not horribly bare in the talent department.
I might not trade Rodgers for Brady. He had a bad injury and is 32. He is at his ceiling and will decline sooner than later. I would need a younger QB. No on Peterson as well.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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