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1. That Atlanta team picking 3rd to get Ryan was horrible. Ryan is a stud.
Very good RB, one of the top WR in the league
And yet they were what, 3rd worst in the league the year before? Chicken or the egg. RB didn't do much in SD (admittedly he was okay behind LT and would have been a solid pickup, he's better than Grant but still not great imo). You can nitpick all you want, but that team magically took a huge transformation with quality coaching and Ryan.
2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.
Baltimore was 13-3 in 2006, and struggled to 5-11 in 2007. McNair had injury problems throughout the year and they bounced back and forth between McNair, Boller, and Troy Smith. The 3 of them combined to go 341/557 for 3,308 yards, 13 TD, 14 INT, and 39 sacks. Flacco went 257/428 for 2,971 yards, 14 TD, 12 INT, and 32 sacks. You are kidding yourself if you think Flacco led them to the championship game. They got there on the strength of a better defense and stronger rushing game (2,376 vs 1,797).
[b] No one is disputing that but taking away from a player from taking advantage of situations is foolish. Flacco is very solid and played quite well. He can only do what he is asked to do, and he did it almost flawlessly. He won games for his team.
3. Why is there only hope for Leinart? Young has actually won NFL games, something that until this past week even our very own Rodgers hadn't done.
Talk to me when Young shows any indication he is turning it around
Compared to Leinart, who has never done anything, Young has done a lot. Young will get his shot someday. Can't help it if he's under contract and they won't play him. He wants the ball in his hands and has made it clear that he's motivated to play again. Last time he was driven he was ROTY baby!
4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking about Peyton. Eli is highly overrated.
[b] What is your source on Eli being overrated? Eli is a very good player too. He has won a superbowl and led the come from behind victory in that game, as well as won 4 playoff games on the road. How many other QBs have done that other than BR? Very, very impressive. Again, he does what he's asked to do.
5. Big ben overrated? How? Sure, there D is good, but he carries that offense. He has the moxy to win games when it matters (same can be said for VY). Thinking Roethlisberger is overrated says everything we need to know. The guy is a star imo. I would trade Rodgers + any other Packer for Roethlisberger and I would come out WAY ahead over time imo.
Ben has the benefit of a good defense and running game. Sure, he makes plays in the clutch, but he wouldn't even be in position to make those plays if not for the D. How long will you continue to let VY live off of a few plays he made years ago? Isn't he due to do something this year, or is he gonna ride his reputation all the way to the HOF?
This is just a ridiculous as the running game and OL basically sucked last year. He got it done on his arm and carried that tema. Guy is a sure fire first ballet HOF in my opinion. He's the third best QB in the league, maybe 2nd since Brady is banged up. His stats aren't guady but they don't need to be. Half of being special is doing what you're asked to do. Especially with a QB.
6. You might do Rodgers for Roethlisberger and Peterson? You had better execute that trade as fast as you can before the Vikings/Steelers wake up, because Rodgers is a huge step down from either of the other two players involved imo.
I would trade Rodgers for the 2 of them, but no way would I say Rodgers is a huge step down from Ben
Well, I'm not going to tell you what to think because you're entitled to your own opinion but there is no way I would take Rodgers over Ben. Rodgers puts up bigger numbers because of the nature of the team, but Ben wins super bowls and carries his team. BR has more come from behind victories in the past x years of any QB (per week 1 NBC broadcast, don't remember the value of x, but it was probably 5-7).
Rodgers has shown he can put up guady passing numbers with all-world offensive talent around him. What he finally showed the other night is that he can overcome adversity and win a big game. Will he kepe it up? Hopefully, but he still hasn't shown me much in the RS.
This post is looney.
Originally posted by Bossman641
Originally posted by Partial
Originally posted by Lurker64
Very good RB, one of the top WR in the league
And yet they were what, 3rd worst in the league the year before? Chicken or the egg. RB didn't do much in SD (admittedly he was okay behind LT and would have been a solid pickup, he's better than Grant but still not great imo). You can nitpick all you want, but that team magically took a huge transformation with quality coaching and Ryan.
2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.
Baltimore was 13-3 in 2006, and struggled to 5-11 in 2007. McNair had injury problems throughout the year and they bounced back and forth between McNair, Boller, and Troy Smith. The 3 of them combined to go 341/557 for 3,308 yards, 13 TD, 14 INT, and 39 sacks. Flacco went 257/428 for 2,971 yards, 14 TD, 12 INT, and 32 sacks. You are kidding yourself if you think Flacco led them to the championship game. They got there on the strength of a better defense and stronger rushing game (2,376 vs 1,797).
[b] No one is disputing that but taking away from a player from taking advantage of situations is foolish. Flacco is very solid and played quite well. He can only do what he is asked to do, and he did it almost flawlessly. He won games for his team.
3. Why is there only hope for Leinart? Young has actually won NFL games, something that until this past week even our very own Rodgers hadn't done.
Talk to me when Young shows any indication he is turning it around
Compared to Leinart, who has never done anything, Young has done a lot. Young will get his shot someday. Can't help it if he's under contract and they won't play him. He wants the ball in his hands and has made it clear that he's motivated to play again. Last time he was driven he was ROTY baby!
4. Manning overrated? Are you crazy? He will probably go down as the best quarterback to walk the earth ever.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking about Peyton. Eli is highly overrated.
[b] What is your source on Eli being overrated? Eli is a very good player too. He has won a superbowl and led the come from behind victory in that game, as well as won 4 playoff games on the road. How many other QBs have done that other than BR? Very, very impressive. Again, he does what he's asked to do.
5. Big ben overrated? How? Sure, there D is good, but he carries that offense. He has the moxy to win games when it matters (same can be said for VY). Thinking Roethlisberger is overrated says everything we need to know. The guy is a star imo. I would trade Rodgers + any other Packer for Roethlisberger and I would come out WAY ahead over time imo.
Ben has the benefit of a good defense and running game. Sure, he makes plays in the clutch, but he wouldn't even be in position to make those plays if not for the D. How long will you continue to let VY live off of a few plays he made years ago? Isn't he due to do something this year, or is he gonna ride his reputation all the way to the HOF?
This is just a ridiculous as the running game and OL basically sucked last year. He got it done on his arm and carried that tema. Guy is a sure fire first ballet HOF in my opinion. He's the third best QB in the league, maybe 2nd since Brady is banged up. His stats aren't guady but they don't need to be. Half of being special is doing what you're asked to do. Especially with a QB.
6. You might do Rodgers for Roethlisberger and Peterson? You had better execute that trade as fast as you can before the Vikings/Steelers wake up, because Rodgers is a huge step down from either of the other two players involved imo.
I would trade Rodgers for the 2 of them, but no way would I say Rodgers is a huge step down from Ben
Well, I'm not going to tell you what to think because you're entitled to your own opinion but there is no way I would take Rodgers over Ben. Rodgers puts up bigger numbers because of the nature of the team, but Ben wins super bowls and carries his team. BR has more come from behind victories in the past x years of any QB (per week 1 NBC broadcast, don't remember the value of x, but it was probably 5-7).
Rodgers has shown he can put up guady passing numbers with all-world offensive talent around him. What he finally showed the other night is that he can overcome adversity and win a big game. Will he kepe it up? Hopefully, but he still hasn't shown me much in the RS.
This post is looney.
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