Who would you trade Rodgers for?

[Rastak]

channtheman, he laid it right in there. 100% on the WR.

[Bossman641]

2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.

I like Flacco a lot, but I heard an interesting stat today. Flacco has engineered exactly ZERO game-winning drives. To show that it's not just on the QB, Flacco was leading a comeback today and Mark Clayton dropped a 4th down pass that hit him in the numbers (per the radio show I was listening to). Kind of like how Crosby missed two FGs last year for Rodgers.

You have to factor in wind resistance, how hard the QB threw the ball, the touch on the ball, did the QB look at the receiver funny when he threw the ball? You don't know. But drops are usually on the QB.

I'm assuming this is supposed to be some sort of cocky ass smart remark. Is this necessary? No. Have I ever said or proposed anything of the sort? No.

Ya, I'm pretty sure you have blamed the Packers drops on Rodgers

3. Catchability of the ball. The receivers have never had a case of the dropsies prior to ARod taking over, yet all of a sudden are dropping boat loads of passes. Could it be the ball is wobbling too much, or maybe thrown too hard, or possibly too high/low, etc?

[Partial]

2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.

I like Flacco a lot, but I heard an interesting stat today. Flacco has engineered exactly ZERO game-winning drives. To show that it's not just on the QB, Flacco was leading a comeback today and Mark Clayton dropped a 4th down pass that hit him in the numbers (per the radio show I was listening to). Kind of like how Crosby missed two FGs last year for Rodgers.

You have to factor in wind resistance, how hard the QB threw the ball, the touch on the ball, did the QB look at the receiver funny when he threw the ball? You don't know. But drops are usually on the QB.

I'm assuming this is supposed to be some sort of cocky ass smart remark. Is this necessary? No. Have I ever said or proposed anything of the sort? No.

Ya, I'm pretty sure you have blamed the Packers drops on Rodgers

3. Catchability of the ball. The receivers have never had a case of the dropsies prior to ARod taking over, yet all of a sudden are dropping boat loads of passes. Could it be the ball is wobbling too much, or maybe thrown too hard, or possibly too high/low, etc?

Where does it say anything about all the blame? Surely every drop is partially on QB, same as both parties in a car accident are partially at blame. When there are two people involved in a transaction that fails, both are always partially to blame in my opinion.

Please do not try to twist my words into something they're not. Nowhere did I blame Rodgers. I said the receivers never had a problem catching the ball in the past and do now. Then I provided a list of potential things that could be contributing to this.

That is all I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

ChanMan, if you were legitimately not taking a personal shot, then I apologize. I highly doubt that you were not... but I could wrong.

[Bossman641]

Receiver dropping balls? Throw a more catchable ball. I'm don't recall the same fleet of guys have dropsies for the HOFer. Drops are never just the receivers fault as its a two person exchange.

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Receiver dropping balls? Throw a more catchable ball. I'm don't recall the same fleet of guys have dropsies for the HOFer. Drops are never just the receivers fault as its a two person exchange.

Right. Exactly. Please read that outloud and tell me what it says. It says it's a two person exchange, and thus no single person is at blame. That goes against the point you're making, it does not support it.

[Bossman641]

2. Baltimore missed the playoffs before they drafted Flacco. Next thing you know they're in the championship game. Coincidence? I think not.

I like Flacco a lot, but I heard an interesting stat today. Flacco has engineered exactly ZERO game-winning drives. To show that it's not just on the QB, Flacco was leading a comeback today and Mark Clayton dropped a 4th down pass that hit him in the numbers (per the radio show I was listening to). Kind of like how Crosby missed two FGs last year for Rodgers.

You have to factor in wind resistance, how hard the QB threw the ball, the touch on the ball, did the QB look at the receiver funny when he threw the ball? You don't know. But drops are usually on the QB.

I'm assuming this is supposed to be some sort of cocky ass smart remark. Is this necessary? No. Have I ever said or proposed anything of the sort? No.

Ya, I'm pretty sure you have blamed the Packers drops on Rodgers

3. Catchability of the ball. The receivers have never had a case of the dropsies prior to ARod taking over, yet all of a sudden are dropping boat loads of passes. Could it be the ball is wobbling too much, or maybe thrown too hard, or possibly too high/low, etc?

Where does it say anything about all the blame? Surely every drop is partially on QB, same as both parties in a car accident are partially at blame. When there are two people involved in a transaction that fails, both are always partially to blame in my opinion.

Please do not try to twist my words into something they're not. Nowhere did I blame Rodgers. I said the receivers never had a problem catching the ball in the past and do now. Then I provided a list of potential things that could be contributing to this.

That is all I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

ChanMan, if you were legitimately not taking a personal shot, then I apologize. I highly doubt that you were not... but I could wrong.

Your original argument had nothing to do with all the blame vs. some of the blame.

I guess we just have different expectations of the quarterback. If he puts it in a place where the WR can get 2 hands on it, I place 100% of the blame on the WR.

My mistake, I'm sorry.

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I do not blame a receiver solely if he gets two hands on the ball. That is far too black and white of a view. I can think of 10+ scenarios right now where that is completely unreasonable. What about horrible thrown balls that a receiver makes a crazy effort to get some paws on it while about to get decleated or going out the back of the end zone or diving or sprinting to the sidelines?

I don't think that is fair at all.

[channtheman]

I do not blame a receiver solely if he gets two hands on the ball. That is far too black and white of a view. I can think of 10+ scenarios right now where that is completely unreasonable. What about horrible thrown balls that a receiver makes a crazy effort to get some paws on it while about to get decleated or going out the back of the end zone or diving or sprinting to the sidelines?

I don't think that is fair at all.

Okay it was a shot and I apologize for that Partial. It does seem like you place more blame on Rodgers than you did on Favre especially since we all always thought it was so cool how Favre threw unnecessary bullets that broke receievers hand yet they still would catch them.

Most of our drops this year I would place 100% blame on the receivers. Jordy's drop where he was diving down the sideline could be 50.50. He had it in his hands but a slightly better throw and he easily is right there. But than maybe Jordy slowed down so he would have been right on target. We don't know all that. But GENERALLY, you can place most of the blame on the receiver. To say that it is more often the QB's fault would make no sense. Which whether or not you think you imply it, it seems like you are.

[Rastak]

Way to man up channtheman.

I think it's the receiver's fault 100% of the time since I do not consider a poorly thrown ball to be a "drop". If you throw it 100 miles an hour on a 5 yard pass it;s a piss poor throw, not a drop. Semantics perhaps.

[falco]

My thread has been derailed! Again.

[channtheman]

I have to add Partial, I don't think anyone here is talking about crazy scenarios like that except for you. I think everyone agrees that bad passes are more excusable and usually place the blame on the QB. But looking at the drops this year, I can only see a few that I would blame on Rodgers. Our "elite" receivers are not helping Rodgers out at all when the ball is right on target.

[falco]

I have to add Partial, I don't think anyone here is talking about crazy scenarios like that except for you. I think everyone agrees that bad passes are more excusable and usually place the blame on the QB. But looking at the drops this year, I can only see a few that I would blame on Rodgers. Our "elite" receivers are not helping Rodgers out at all when the ball is right on target.

Yes - in particular during the Bengals game I know Finley and Jennings both had drive ending drops that landed right in their hands.

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I have to add Partial, I don't think anyone here is talking about crazy scenarios like that except for you. I think everyone agrees that bad passes are more excusable and usually place the blame on the QB. But looking at the drops this year, I can only see a few that I would blame on Rodgers. Our "elite" receivers are not helping Rodgers out at all when the ball is right on target.

If that is the case, then we cannot speak in absolutes. I do expect the receivers to catch a reasonable ball that hits them in the chest or hands.

[channtheman]

I have to add Partial, I don't think anyone here is talking about crazy scenarios like that except for you. I think everyone agrees that bad passes are more excusable and usually place the blame on the QB. But looking at the drops this year, I can only see a few that I would blame on Rodgers. Our "elite" receivers are not helping Rodgers out at all when the ball is right on target.

If that is the case, then we cannot speak in absolutes. I do expect the receivers to catch a reasonable ball that hits them in the chest or hands.

Well than I think you and everyone here is in agreement. The thing that gets people riled up is when you bring up that the pass is a two person affair (which it is) and that you can't place all the blame on the receiver but you have no examples from the drops that the Packers have had that would indicate that it was Rodgers fault.

[Partial]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.