Who would you trade Rodgers for?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

[MichiganPackerFan]

I'm in-between on this one. Certainly the O-line didn't help, but he also needs to get the ball out quicker. MM should be calling shorter quicker plays. It depends where the reads are: if the first one's not until 20 yards or so down field, he's taking sack after sack before it can develop. Quick 5-10 yards to your possession guys, screen, run and hit the deep ones. We've got an offense that can do this!

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He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

I'm not talking about passes he missed. I'm talking about passes he didn't take (or throw away) that resulted in big losses of down, time, momentum and yardage. This is four weeks in a row we've been beating the same dead horse. It seems to be a consist problem.

[mmmdk]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

I'm not talking about passes he missed. I'm talking about passes he didn't take (or throw away) that resulted in big losses of down, time, momentum and yardage. This is four weeks in a row we've been beating the same dead horse. It seems to be a consist problem.

I agree with you Part but I don't a consistent problem with AR. If so (very, very unlikely) then Rodgers is out of the league in 3-5 years or holding a clipboard as 3rd stringer.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

I'm not talking about passes he missed. I'm talking about passes he didn't take (or throw away) that resulted in big losses of down, time, momentum and yardage. This is four weeks in a row we've been beating the same dead horse. It seems to be a consist problem.

We are talking about out of 11. He completed 26.

How many of those do you think? How many do you think MM is talking about.

Again, if you expect Arod to go 31-36 for us to win....we should forfeit now.

You wouldn't expect Bert to have to go 31-36 for us to win...you would look at other areas as problems.

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Gruden mentioned 4 sacks that ARod took as a result of holding on too long. I mentioned a few other in previous weeks. I say about 10 on the year (half) off the top of my head.

[mmmdk]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

I'm not talking about passes he missed. I'm talking about passes he didn't take (or throw away) that resulted in big losses of down, time, momentum and yardage. This is four weeks in a row we've been beating the same dead horse. It seems to be a consist problem.

We are talking about out of 11. He completed 26.

How many of those do you think? How many do you think MM is talking about.

Again, if you expect Arod to go 31-36 for us to win....we should forfeit now.

You wouldn't expect Bert to have to go 31-36 for us to win...you would look at other areas as problems.

My bad; read too fast. I thought we were talking about the sacks too. AR needs to play faster and use the force...let the game slow down. Receivers aren't always open then it could benifit to throw it away. Not take sack(s).

I think our receivers are dropping a lot of passes this season - that has happened to BF too. A stat guy please? Patler?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gruden mentioned 4 sacks that ARod took as a result of holding on too long. I mentioned a few other in previous weeks. I say about 10 on the year (half) off the top of my head.

Ok. that still has him with 4 sacks..unacceptable. And, running for his life. And, not knowing which linemen is gonna breakdown.

You wouldn't be saying this about favre if he was on a pace of 4 sacks a game..for 64 sacks. No matter how you spin it.....Arod is under duress.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

I'm not talking about passes he missed. I'm talking about passes he didn't take (or throw away) that resulted in big losses of down, time, momentum and yardage. This is four weeks in a row we've been beating the same dead horse. It seems to be a consist problem.

We are talking about out of 11. He completed 26.

How many of those do you think? How many do you think MM is talking about.

Again, if you expect Arod to go 31-36 for us to win....we should forfeit now.

You wouldn't expect Bert to have to go 31-36 for us to win...you would look at other areas as problems.

My bad; read too fast. I thought we were talking about the sacks too. AR needs to play faster and use the force...let the game slow down. Receivers aren't always open then it could benifit to throw it away. Not take sack(s).

I think our receivers are dropping a lot of passes this season - that has happened to BF too. A stat guy please? Patler?

Play faster? Maybe...but, i watched and counted..and there were guys in his face on the 3 count...that is way unacceptable. He isn't even getting a chance to scan the field.

Take away his mistakes that led to a sack..and you still have him with 4 or 5...and constant harassment. Unacceptable.

Arod had a 110 rating...and his was getting hammered. Most qbs woulda been outta there.

[mmmdk]

He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.

Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.

Basically my thoughts too.

You could say that about that every qb in the league every game...excluding Favre of course.

Arod missed 11 passes all nite. How many more should he have hit...4? 5? If your standard is that in order for the pack to win, arod has to hit 31 of 36....well, fuckit, we might as well quit right now. Bert couldn't do it...nor should he be required to....same standard right?

I'm not talking about passes he missed. I'm talking about passes he didn't take (or throw away) that resulted in big losses of down, time, momentum and yardage. This is four weeks in a row we've been beating the same dead horse. It seems to be a consist problem.

We are talking about out of 11. He completed 26.

How many of those do you think? How many do you think MM is talking about.

Again, if you expect Arod to go 31-36 for us to win....we should forfeit now.

You wouldn't expect Bert to have to go 31-36 for us to win...you would look at other areas as problems.

My bad; read too fast. I thought we were talking about the sacks too. AR needs to play faster and use the force...let the game slow down. Receivers aren't always open then it could benifit to throw it away. Not take sack(s).

I think our receivers are dropping a lot of passes this season - that has happened to BF too. A stat guy please? Patler?

Play faster? Maybe...but, i watched and counted..and there were guys in his face on the 3 count...that is way unacceptable. He isn't even getting a chance to scan the field.

Take away his mistakes that led to a sack..and you still have him with 4 or 5...and constant harassment. Unacceptable.

Arod had a 110 rating...and his was getting hammered. Most qbs woulda been outta there.

True but I want AR to be Steve Young 2.0 :P

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Didn't say he wasn't, I posted quotes from the coach. Coach is alluding that at least some of the sacks are Rodgers fault.

[mmmdk]

Didn't say he wasn't, I posted quotes from the coach. Coach is alluding that at least some of the sacks are Rodgers fault.

...and they are. But AR still is as talented as they come. He'll get it right but needs help from offense.

Maybe our offense guys are too used to the QB savior theme? Nah, OL still lacks talent/depth. Taush ! :P

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Didn't say he wasn't, I posted quotes from the coach. Coach is alluding that at least some of the sacks are Rodgers fault.

Of course some of it is arod's fault. What MM said could be said about any qb any week of any season.

Even if Arod was 40-40..there still would be mistakes made.

Noting arod's problems and his ability to fix them is akin to asking you be a more efficient programmer when your boss has you working on a chair with 3 legs,a 386 computer that constantly freezes up, and a co worker who constantly interrupts you and needs your help. Can you become more efficient, yes.....would it help you if your boss solved the stupid problems that inhibit you...of course.

[retailguy]

Didn't say he wasn't, I posted quotes from the coach. Coach is alluding that at least some of the sacks are Rodgers fault.

Of course some are Arod's problem. Partial, we've all been telling you that he's skittish. He's got ppl in his face every time he turns around. He never knows where it is coming, so (big shock here), he's watching the line, INSTEAD of the receivers. Duh.

He doesn't trust his protection so it is causing him to make mistakes. Fix the line, you fix the problem. ARod trusts his protection and starts finding that receiver when he gets a step on the db instead of afterwards.

[The Leaper]

Rodgers is one of the 10 best QBs in the NFL.

Unfortunately, our OL is one of the 3 worst.

No QB can be successful behind our current OL.