Sharper Shake

[Brandon494]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

And man that DUDE can RUN !!!!!!!!!

Sharper sucks. Did you see that attempt at a tackle in the first quarter? No thanks, now you know why he never gets a contract renewed. All 11 guys need to be able to tackle and tackle well.

Give me a break, Addai was making everyone on the Saints defense miss in the 1st half. Stop hating so much. Everyone knows Sharper is not known for his tackling but he is one of the best ball hawking safties of all-time.

[Patler]

How Many Games has Bigby played the last three years ?
How many of those INT's were game changing TD's ?
They are not in the same park as players

OK....I have to ask....How many game changing interceptions has Sharper had? I just do not remember that many! I remember more of the "so what" type.

[Cheesehead Craig]

How Many Games has Bigby played the last three years ?
How many of those INT's were game changing TD's ?
They are not in the same park as players

OK....I have to ask....How many game changing interceptions has Sharper had? I just do not remember that many! I remember more of the "so what" type.

Let's go down the Sharper memory lane. Skip, skip, skip.

2009
Week 1 - 2 INTs vs Det. One with the score 28-10 right near the end of the first half. The other late in the 4th with a 45-27 score. Neither could really be labeled a game changer, although the first one was at the NO 4. I'd still not count it given NO was comfortably ahead.

Week 2 - 1 INT vs Philly. 99 yd return for a TD. Happened with 1 min to go in the game with the score 41-22 at the time. Not a game changer.

Week 4 - 2 INT vs NYJ. 99 yd TD return early in the 2Q making the score 10-0. Definately a game changer. The 2nd happened in the 4th Q with 4 min to go, score 24-10. Won't call it a game changer though.

Week 7 - 1 INT vs MIA. 42 yd INT TD return got the Saints to 17-24. At that point MIA had had their way with the NO def. NO won the game 46-34. I'd go game changer on that.

Week 8 - 1 INT vs ATL. Desperation pass end of game INT. NO was up 35-27. Not a game changer

Week 12 - 1 INT vs NE. 4th Q with the score 38-17 with 7 minutes left. Not a game changer.

Week 17 - 1 INT vs TB. 1st Q with NO up 7-0. NO did score a TD to go up 14-0 due to that. However, TB won the game 20-17 so no gamechanger status given to the INT.

So just this past season I'd go with 2 of the 9 INTs he had as game changers.

[sheepshead]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

And man that DUDE can RUN !!!!!!!!!

Sharper sucks. Did you see that attempt at a tackle in the first quarter? No thanks, now you know why he never gets a contract renewed. All 11 guys need to be able to tackle and tackle well.

Give me a break, Addai was making everyone on the Saints defense miss in the 1st half. Stop hating so much. Everyone knows Sharper is not known for his tackling but he is one of the best ball hawking safties of all-time.

Joe Addai isnt going to make anyone forget Jim Brown and Darren Sharper isnt going to make anyone forget Ronnie Lott. Sharpers a showman and a preservationist. I wouldn't want him on my team. Certainly not at whatever he is getting paid.

[Brandon494]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

And man that DUDE can RUN !!!!!!!!!

Sharper sucks. Did you see that attempt at a tackle in the first quarter? No thanks, now you know why he never gets a contract renewed. All 11 guys need to be able to tackle and tackle well.

Give me a break, Addai was making everyone on the Saints defense miss in the 1st half. Stop hating so much. Everyone knows Sharper is not known for his tackling but he is one of the best ball hawking safties of all-time.

Joe Addai isnt going to make anyone forget Jim Brown and Darren Sharper isnt going to make anyone forget Ronnie Lott. Sharpers a showman and a preservationist. I wouldn't want him on my team. Certainly not at whatever he is getting paid.

$1 million base salary, $200,000 signing bonus, $500,000 roster bonus, $1.7 million salary-cap number

Yea thats so much money for one of the best ball hawking safties of all-time. I get it, you don't like Sharper. That doesnt mean he isn't a good player.

[sheepshead]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

And man that DUDE can RUN !!!!!!!!!

Sharper sucks. Did you see that attempt at a tackle in the first quarter? No thanks, now you know why he never gets a contract renewed. All 11 guys need to be able to tackle and tackle well.

Give me a break, Addai was making everyone on the Saints defense miss in the 1st half. Stop hating so much. Everyone knows Sharper is not known for his tackling but he is one of the best ball hawking safties of all-time.

Joe Addai isnt going to make anyone forget Jim Brown and Darren Sharper isnt going to make anyone forget Ronnie Lott. Sharpers a showman and a preservationist. I wouldn't want him on my team. Certainly not at whatever he is getting paid.

$1 million base salary, $200,000 signing bonus, $500,000 roster bonus, $1.7 million salary-cap number

Yea thats so much money for one of the best ball hawking safties of all-time. I get it, you don't like Sharper. That doesnt mean he isn't a good player.

I've never met him.

[Gunakor]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

And man that DUDE can RUN !!!!!!!!!

Sharper sucks. Did you see that attempt at a tackle in the first quarter? No thanks, now you know why he never gets a contract renewed. All 11 guys need to be able to tackle and tackle well.

Yes, I'd much rather have Mark Roman, Marquand Manuel, and Atari Bigby

Yup. Not only do those guys not tackle, they don't get interceptions either?

Once again perception differs from reality, and the grass isn't greener on the other side. Bigby has averaged more INTs per game played than Sharper over the last three years.

How Many Games has Bigby played the last three years ?
How many of those INT's were game changing TD's ?

They are not in the same park as players

Many of Bigby's INT's have come in the red zone. Those are near certain points he kept off the scoreboard. Now I don't know if you can call those game changing, but they are definitely significant.

[Patler]

Joe Addai isnt going to make anyone forget Jim Brown and Darren Sharper isnt going to make anyone forget Ronnie Lott. Sharpers a showman and a preservationist. I wouldn't want him on my team. Certainly not at whatever he is getting paid.

The unfortunate question we may all have to ask ourselves is this, "Should Darren Sharper make us forget Leroy Butler?"

There is a growing possibility that Sharper will get strong HOF consideration. Butler's chances diminish as time goes by because he has no eye-popping stat to his credit like Sharper will have with his interceptions.

If the day comes when Sharper makes the HOF and Leroy Butler has not, it will be a travesty, in my opinion. Sharper has not come close to the level of play that Butler provided during his career. Sharper brings a flashy stat, and not a lot more, in my opinion.

I wouldn't have to hesitate even an instant before taking Butler over Sharper when picking my team. I'm not sure I would hesitate much before picking Nick Collins over Darren Sharper, and Collins isn't close to Butler either, in my opinion. At least not yet.

[sheepshead]

Good point, I dont think the Packers have replaced his leadership on defense since then either. There have been leaders but not like Butler.

[swede]

Good point, I dont think the Packers have replaced his leadership on defense since then either. There have been leaders but not like Butler.

Didn't Butler invent the Lambeau Leap?

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcqPA55T0Nc&feature=PlayList&p=65418D3EB0A3F2F1&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

couple of package grabs at 1:01 or so.

[get louder at lambeau]

Once again perception differs from reality, and the grass isn't greener on the other side. Bigby has averaged more INTs per game played than Sharper over the last three years.

How Many Games has Bigby played the last three years ?
How many of those INT's were game changing TD's ?

They are not in the same park as players

Bigby has played less games because he was hurt from tackling and hitting people, like how other hard hitting safeties such as Mike Brown and Bob Sanders are always hurt from hitting people. Sharper doesn't hit people, so he doesn't get hurt. When he plays, Bigby has averaged more INTs than Sharper, doesn't miss tackles like Sharper does, and doesn't suck in run support like Sharper does.

I can't remember ONCE that Bigby has looked as stupid trying to tackle someone like how Sharper looked trying to tackle Addai in the biggest game of his life. Can you? Joseph Addai is not exactly Adrian Peterson, either.

Everyone is swinging from Sharpers groin this year because he had a ton of INTs, but last year he only had 1 INT and his team let him go in free agency. It wasn't about money either, since he ended up signing a one year, $1.7 million dollar contract. What made the difference this year from last? Sharper had a great year, but I'm just not buying that he all of a sudden went from below average to super hero. My guess? He's a little bit overrated right now.

I'm sure what I'm saying will be interpreted as Bigby being a Pro Bowler and Sharper being a bitch, but all I'm trying to say is that people's impressions that the grass is so amazingly much greener on the other side of the fence is a little off. Both sides have some green patches and some brown spots.

[Brandon494]

Once again perception differs from reality, and the grass isn't greener on the other side. Bigby has averaged more INTs per game played than Sharper over the last three years.

How Many Games has Bigby played the last three years ?
How many of those INT's were game changing TD's ?

They are not in the same park as players

Bigby has played less games because he was hurt from tackling and hitting people, like how other hard hitting safeties such as Mike Brown and Bob Sanders are always hurt from hitting people. Sharper doesn't hit people, so he doesn't get hurt. When he plays, Bigby has averaged more INTs than Sharper, doesn't miss tackles like Sharper does, and doesn't suck in run support like Sharper does.

I can't remember ONCE that Bigby has looked as stupid trying to tackle someone like how Sharper looked trying to tackle Addai in the biggest game of his life. Can you? Joseph Addai is not exactly Adrian Peterson, either.

Everyone is swinging from Sharpers groin this year because he had a ton of INTs, but last year he only had 1 INT and his team let him go in free agency. It wasn't about money either, since he ended up signing a one year, $1.7 million dollar contract. What made the difference this year from last? Sharper had a great year, but I'm just not buying that he all of a sudden went from below average to super hero. My guess? He's a little bit overrated right now.

I'm sure what I'm saying will be interpreted as Bigby being a Pro Bowler and Sharper being a bitch, but all I'm trying to say is that people's impressions that the grass is so amazingly much greener on the other side of the fence is a little off. Both sides have some green patches and some brown spots.

You can't really compare the two, Sharper is a FS and Bigby is a SS. They are asked to do totally different jobs on the field. NO's defense was not that great this season but they lived off turnovers which Sharper was a big reason for that. Bigby is decent at best but he is not that good as your triyng to make him out to be. You might think he is better than he really is because the guys we have backing him up are just that bad. Bigby might not miss tackles like Sharper but he has given up his share of big passing plays.

[get louder at lambeau]

Once again perception differs from reality, and the grass isn't greener on the other side. Bigby has averaged more INTs per game played than Sharper over the last three years.

How Many Games has Bigby played the last three years ?
How many of those INT's were game changing TD's ?

They are not in the same park as players

Bigby has played less games because he was hurt from tackling and hitting people, like how other hard hitting safeties such as Mike Brown and Bob Sanders are always hurt from hitting people. Sharper doesn't hit people, so he doesn't get hurt. When he plays, Bigby has averaged more INTs than Sharper, doesn't miss tackles like Sharper does, and doesn't suck in run support like Sharper does.

I can't remember ONCE that Bigby has looked as stupid trying to tackle someone like how Sharper looked trying to tackle Addai in the biggest game of his life. Can you? Joseph Addai is not exactly Adrian Peterson, either.

Everyone is swinging from Sharpers groin this year because he had a ton of INTs, but last year he only had 1 INT and his team let him go in free agency. It wasn't about money either, since he ended up signing a one year, $1.7 million dollar contract. What made the difference this year from last? Sharper had a great year, but I'm just not buying that he all of a sudden went from below average to super hero. My guess? He's a little bit overrated right now.

I'm sure what I'm saying will be interpreted as Bigby being a Pro Bowler and Sharper being a bitch, but all I'm trying to say is that people's impressions that the grass is so amazingly much greener on the other side of the fence is a little off. Both sides have some green patches and some brown spots.

You can't really compare the two, Sharper is a FS and Bigby is a SS. They are asked to do totally different jobs on the field. NO's defense was not that great this season but they lived off turnovers which Sharper was a big reason for that. Bigby is decent at best but he is not that good as your triyng to make him out to be. You might think he is better than he really is because the guys we have backing him up are just that bad. Bigby might not miss tackles like Sharper but he has given up his share of big passing plays.

I like how you just said that you can't compare the two, then went on about why Bigby isn't good and why Sharper is. Cute.

My point was that Bigby has had more INTs per game than Sharper over the last few years, despite the general public opinion that Sharper is great because of his INTs and Bigby needs to be replaced. I stand by that. Oh, and if anything isn't it even more impressive if a strong safety is getting INTs? Free safeties are generally in position to get them more than strong safeties, no?