Plaxico gets 2 years

[Gunakor]

It's been hashed out before. I stand by it.

Plax=2 years.

Dante Stallworth=30 days.

RE-FUCKING-TARDED.

I don't care what the local laws say. Dante killed some dude WASTED (HIS CHOICE). Plax is a thug and all (carried a gun) but gets 2 years.

Fuck the U.S. system at this point. Snake is gonna get fucked up and drive down and kill some dude I don't like.

I'm facing 30 days in local jail. Glad I don't do it (I do but not with a firearm) and party in local clubs with my 50 Cal. on my side. I could really face the wrath of injustice....No???

That is just fucked up. Dante is a killer by his choice (aka in my mind a murderer). Plax is a moron.

Fuck the moron. Let the murderer go. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been rehashed. Stallworth didn't kill nobody. Watch the video again if you need to. The guy ran out into traffic. Drunk or no, Stallworth was going to hit him. And it wasn't Stallworth's fault. DUI? Absolutely. Murder? You gotta be kidding me...

[SnakeLH2006]

It's been hashed out before. I stand by it.

Plax=2 years.

Dante Stallworth=30 days.

RE-FUCKING-TARDED.

I don't care what the local laws say. Dante killed some dude WASTED (HIS CHOICE). Plax is a thug and all (carried a gun) but gets 2 years.

Fuck the U.S. system at this point. Snake is gonna get fucked up and drive down and kill some dude I don't like.

I'm facing 30 days in local jail. Glad I don't do it (I do but not with a firearm) and party in local clubs with my 50 Cal. on my side. I could really face the wrath of injustice....No???

That is just fucked up. Dante is a killer by his choice (aka in my mind a murderer). Plax is a moron.

Fuck the moron. Let the murderer go. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been rehashed. Stallworth didn't kill nobody. Watch the video again if you need to. The guy ran out into traffic. Drunk or no, Stallworth was going to hit him. And it wasn't Stallworth's fault. DUI? Absolutely. Murder? You gotta be kidding me...

The dude would not have died if Dante wasn't wasted. Spin it or not, Gun...it doesn't matter. Dante chose to drive wasted. Dude died BECAUSE of Dante.

Plax killed no one. Harmed NO ONE.

Who has the harsher sentence by far?

Just saying....The U.S. legal system is fucked.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Snake,

If Dante killed him and it is evident...why did they offer him a plea? No prosecutor in their right mind would do so.

Simple, because the prosecutor looked at the tape, looked at the evidence and realized that there was more than a strong chance he wouldn't get a conviction. So, if offered a deal. So, if they went to trial..and lost. Then it would be plax 2 years and Dante 0. Then what would you say?

And, you can't compare two separate crimes. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

[Gunakor]

It's been hashed out before. I stand by it.

Plax=2 years.

Dante Stallworth=30 days.

RE-FUCKING-TARDED.

I don't care what the local laws say. Dante killed some dude WASTED (HIS CHOICE). Plax is a thug and all (carried a gun) but gets 2 years.

Fuck the U.S. system at this point. Snake is gonna get fucked up and drive down and kill some dude I don't like.

I'm facing 30 days in local jail. Glad I don't do it (I do but not with a firearm) and party in local clubs with my 50 Cal. on my side. I could really face the wrath of injustice....No???

That is just fucked up. Dante is a killer by his choice (aka in my mind a murderer). Plax is a moron.

Fuck the moron. Let the murderer go. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has been rehashed. Stallworth didn't kill nobody. Watch the video again if you need to. The guy ran out into traffic. Drunk or no, Stallworth was going to hit him. And it wasn't Stallworth's fault. DUI? Absolutely. Murder? You gotta be kidding me...

The dude would not have died if Dante wasn't wasted. Spin it or not, Gun...it doesn't matter. Dante chose to drive wasted. Dude died BECAUSE of Dante.

Plax killed no one. Harmed NO ONE.

Who has the harsher sentence by far?

Just saying....The U.S. legal system is fucked.

Snake, did you even see the tape of that accident? That dude would have died whether DS was wasted or not. The problem wasn't that DS couldn't react quick enough, it was that he had NO TIME TO REACT. The dude died because he was a fucking moron. He died because he ran out into traffic. Watch the tape and tell me I'm lying. Just because DS was intoxicated doesn't mean he could have avoided the accident had he not have been. Just watch the tape. Stallworth is guilty of DUI, not murder.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I don't care what the local laws say. Dante killed some dude WASTED (HIS CHOICE).

Dante wasn't "wasted" he was a drink or two over the legal limit. The legal limit can be achieved by consuming a couple beers in an hour. Betcha never done that and driven? Furthermore, the concept of murder involves Intent. Dante didn't arrange to have the guy pushed into the street nor did he have any reasonable way to foresee the guy was going to run out in front of his car and therefore time it just right to hit him. No intent so Murder is off the table. What you have is contributory negligence, which means the "victim" has a lot of personal responsibility in his own death. You teach kids not to play in traffic, but this guy obviously didn't learn that. Maybe a bit of natural selection...

[pbmax]

Safety trumps popularity every time.

No, it often doesn't. Any survey of laws across the country should tell you that. And if you don't understand why, then there is little hope for your plan.

The reporting indicated the most common sentence was probation and/or house arrest. This is not at all letting someone walk. They are not free, they must report their whereabouts at all times.

Yeah, except they don't always do that. You put them on probation and risk them violating their probation. For petty crimes that pose no real risk to other members of society I could understand, but violating a GUN LAW? No, you sit in jail where you can be supervised at all times.

Simple, if they don't, then they serve the time in the clink. Plaxico may be stupid, but he doesn't rise to the level of a threat to society. As for his celebrity, I think its clear it worked against him here.

[SkinBasket]

Plaxico may be stupid, but he doesn't rise to the level of a threat to society. As for his celebrity, I think its clear it worked against him here.

He had a loaded weapon in his pants with the safety off. How is that not a threat to every person in that club that night? It's only chance that the bullet struck Burris and not someone else and that the wound wasn't fatal.

You guys also seem to like to ignore the whole mandatory sentence involved with this statute. Everyone knew from the beginning he would serve about 2 years because the law calls for 2 years - and not just for professional athletes. Not to mention they let him plead to a lesser charge that actually lessened his sentence, despite obviously having ample evidence to prosecute him under the original statute. Again, conveniently forgotten when people want to cry about how unfair this all is to someone who endangered dozens of lives that night.

[mraynrand]

I think Plexiglass got what he deserved. I hope when he gets out he plays for the Packers so we can jeer him at every opportunity.

[pbmax]

Plaxico may be stupid, but he doesn't rise to the level of a threat to society. As for his celebrity, I think its clear it worked against him here.

He had a loaded weapon in his pants with the safety off. How is that not a threat to every person in that club that night? It's only chance that the bullet struck Burris and not someone else and that the wound wasn't fatal.

It was only chance that he and no one else was hurt, and not seriously at that. That was the reason for one of the charges (second degree reckless endangerment). What are the odds of him doing this again? If this were anyone but Plaxico, I would conclude zero, but I still think its small.

You guys also seem to like to ignore the whole mandatory sentence involved with this statute. Everyone knew from the beginning he would serve about 2 years because the law calls for 2 years - and not just for professional athletes.

Mandatory sentence does not have to involve prison time for the entire sentence. It can, and I have have been Googling like crazy trying to see if it does in NY, but I can't find it. But like the Stallworth case, everyone is trotting around the 2 years and failing to mention the 2 years of probation he got.

As for your cry of mandatory, everyone knew it would be two years because the plea bargain was leaked long before it was agreed to, the original charges were 3.5-15 years each. So the "mandatory 2 years" you mention as being the law of NYC was actually a creation of the DA, not the city council.

I have no objection to the punishment for the crime. He was beyond culpable and an incredible fool. Someone who seems overconfident in his ability to control a situation or someone with NO idea how dangerous the weapon could be even accidentally. I would have no problem limiting his rights to own weapons based on his evident stupidity.

But most folks charged in NYC are let go with smaller penalties. He was used for his celebrity to make a point by the Mayor and DA. I prefer my justice more evenhanded. And public.

[SkinBasket]

But most folks charged in NYC are let go with smaller penalties. He was used for his celebrity to make a point by the Mayor and DA. I prefer my justice more evenhanded. And public.

Until you show me that more than half of those charged under this statute (or who accepted a comparable plea down from the same charge) got off lighter, I'm not buying it. The mayor made a big deal out of this because they wanted to make a big deal out of the law. As Ziggy said, even she was aware of it, 200 miles away. And even if the mayor did want to make an example out of him, then so what? It's not like Plaxico was framed. He provided a high profile example for the mayor to reinforce that they were serious about this law.

As far as the chances of him doing it again? I have no idea, which is probably why it's a bad idea to temper sentencing based on if he would or not.

[Gunakor]

Safety trumps popularity every time.

No, it often doesn't. Any survey of laws across the country should tell you that. And if you don't understand why, then there is little hope for your plan.

You're still talking about popularity. Stop. I am talking about safety, and I could care less what the masses think about it. There is nothing safe about carrying a loaded weapon into a nightclub. Nothing. Fuck what the people think. No survey is going to convince me that carrying a loaded weapon into a nightclub is safe. And for that reason I believe they should pass this law everywhere in America whether the people agree with it or not.

I cannot make this any more clear. Carrying a loaded weapon into a nightclub is not safe. Not for the person carrying it or for anyone else there at the club with him. It's just not safe, and there's no reason a person should be allowed to do it. That doesn't change just because the majority think they should. The majority in that case doesn't have the best interests of safety in mind. They should not be the ones making this decision. Maybe they are the ones making that decision, maybe that's the way it's been historically, maybe you're right that any survey will tell that story. Is that right? Is popularity SUPPOSED to trump safety?

Let me put it to you like this. Would you like to be at a nightclub knowing that someone inside that club is walking around with a loaded weapon, safety off, ready to shoot? Wouldn't you like to have a law that made doing so illegal? Wouldn't you love it if violating that law always carried the maximum possible sentence, thus helping to deter would be violators? Stop putting yourself in the shoes of Plax. Plax is the criminal, not the victim. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're not a criminal. So put yourself in the shoes of anyone else that was there that night, and be honest. You'd wish he hadn't brought the gun too. And that's the point entirely.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Safety trumps popularity every time.

No, it often doesn't. Any survey of laws across the country should tell you that. And if you don't understand why, then there is little hope for your plan.

You're still talking about popularity. Stop. I am talking about safety, and I could care less what the masses think about it. There is nothing safe about carrying a loaded weapon into a nightclub. Nothing. Fuck what the people think. No survey is going to convince me that carrying a loaded weapon into a nightclub is safe. And for that reason I believe they should pass this law everywhere in America whether the people agree with it or not.

I cannot make this any more clear. Carrying a loaded weapon into a nightclub is not safe. Not for the person carrying it or for anyone else there at the club with him. It's just not safe, and there's no reason a person should be allowed to do it. That doesn't change just because the majority think they should. The majority in that case doesn't have the best interests of safety in mind. They should not be the ones making this decision. Maybe they are the ones making that decision, maybe that's the way it's been historically, maybe you're right that any survey will tell that story. Is that right? Is popularity SUPPOSED to trump safety?

Let me put it to you like this. Would you like to be at a nightclub knowing that someone inside that club is walking around with a loaded weapon, safety off, ready to shoot? Wouldn't you like to have a law that made doing so illegal? Wouldn't you love it if violating that law always carried the maximum possible sentence, thus helping to deter would be violators? Stop putting yourself in the shoes of Plax. Plax is the criminal, not the victim. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're not a criminal. So put yourself in the shoes of anyone else that was there that night, and be honest. You'd wish he hadn't brought the gun too. And that's the point entirely.

You missed PB's point.

As for your position, well the citizens of AZ clearly don't agree with you. Starting on the 29th gun owners can bring their concealed weapon into a place that serves alcohol, as long as they don't drink.

Owners can prohibit, as long as there is a conspicuous sign saying no guns.

Supporters say the law bolsters Second Amendment rights and protects patrons' rights to defend themselves.

Ty loves living in the wild wild west. Yeehaw!!!!! (insert mental image of crackhead ty on broken down mule crazily firing his saturday nite special in the air)

[Gunakor]

I think both of you missed my point. Is it safe? And if it's not safe, should it be allowed? Even if the majority thinks it should be? Your desire to carry a gun into a club I am at is not more important than my safety at that club. Again, this isn't about what the citizens desire. It's about safety, nothing more, nothing less. If a 2/3rds majority voted to enact an unsafe law, that doesn't make the law any more safe. How many accidents like the one Plaxico Burress was involved in have to happen in AZ before they realize how stupid this decision is? Good grief man, somebody is going to get hurt. Or worse. But since they voted for it, I guess it's okay, right?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I think both of you missed my point. Is it safe? And if it's not safe, should it be allowed? Even if the majority thinks it should be? Your desire to carry a gun into a club I am at is not more important than my safety at that club. Again, this isn't about what the citizens desire. It's about safety, nothing more, nothing less. If a 2/3rds majority voted to enact an unsafe law, that doesn't make the law any more safe. How many accidents like the one Plaxico Burress was involved in have to happen in AZ before they realize how stupid this decision is? Good grief man, somebody is going to get hurt. Or worse. But since they voted for it, I guess it's okay, right?

Safety doesn't trump personal rights. No matter how much you wish it did.

[Tarlam!]

It's illegal to carry concealed firearms in Germany and Australia. Guess what, we have a lot less shootings than you guys do.