Plaxico gets 2 years

[woodbuck27]

Re: Plaxico gets 2 years

It says he's expected to serve at least 20 months. Does this qualify him for an honorary Darwin award? He won't be reproducing for at least that length of time!

Only if he had shot himself in his third leg. Perhaps if he had blown his dick off, the judge would have gone easier on him, I mean how do you send a dickless guy to prison?

That"s like dining on poultry without cranberry sauce.

[MJZiggy]

What you guys are conveniently forgetting is that if JWalk had a gun on him that night, he's enough of an idiot that it likely would have been used against him, not to protect him...I'm just saying...

[pbmax]

But most folks charged in NYC are let go with smaller penalties. He was used for his celebrity to make a point by the Mayor and DA. I prefer my justice more evenhanded. And public.

Until you show me that more than half of those charged under this statute (or who accepted a comparable plea down from the same charge) got off lighter, I'm not buying it. The mayor made a big deal out of this because they wanted to make a big deal out of the law. As Ziggy said, even she was aware of it, 200 miles away. And even if the mayor did want to make an example out of him, then so what? It's not like Plaxico was framed. He provided a high profile example for the mayor to reinforce that they were serious about this law.

As far as the chances of him doing it again? I have no idea, which is probably why it's a bad idea to temper sentencing based on if he would or not.

Skin, I admit I am splitting a fine hair here, but I don't object to the sentence. If that is the sentence that follows the arrest, indictment, plea, I am fine with it. Burress has a duty as a gun owner to know the local laws. He also has a duty not to be an idiot. And yes, I agree with you and Ziggy, New York's laws are nationally well known. Its possible he did this with full knowledge.

I object to the non-public decision-making and varied level of sentencing. Whether the celebrity gets off (Sean Combs) or gets picked to send a message (Burress) is not my concern. Its the question of why different citizens are treated differently.

I have no statistic to show you that half or more charged with a similar crime get pleas down to lesser sentences. The blurb I read a while back (before the deal pleading down to attempted possession) was that the most common outcome was probation. I also do not know if the fact that Burress actually caused the firearm to discharge was the mitigating factor. It could be. But this is my concern, we'll never know.

As for deciding how much public risk Plaxico would have been on probation versus jail, courts are forced to make those distinctions every day when deciding on bail or sentencing. There is not room to accommodate all risk.

[pbmax]

It would help if I understood gun enthusiasts first. I don't. So I don't see myself convincing them of anything, but even if I can't, I still know that they're wrong. They could never be convinced anyway.

If you don't understand gun enthusiasts, then telling them they are wrong (or passing a law) will be highly ineffectual. Better to have some idea to accommodate both. Tarlam's point about gun laws in other countries cannot be duplicated here, because a very significant portion of the population would not support them and would work to undermine or repeal them.

And now we should await the last third of this thread to be moved to the Politico Forum.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Stupid europeans with their 5 weeks of vacay, universal health, gun laws, and mass transit.

When will those dumbfucks ever get a clue?

[SnakeLH2006]

What you guys are conveniently forgetting is that if JWalk had a gun on him that night, he's enough of an idiot that it likely would have been used against him, not to protect him...I'm just saying...

Now THAT is some good ass dark humor at it's best. Good stuff, Ziggy.

Anyway, back to the point. Legal ramifications and moral obligations aside...

Yeah, Dante (or anyone could have hit and killed that dude). I agree.

But, that situation would NOT have happened if Dante didn't get loaded up and drive that morning. It's hard to say what would have happened otherwise.

Fact: Dante was OWI.
Fact: Dante killed some dude.
Fact: That sucks for his dead ass and his family
Fact: Who's to say that said "dead ass dude" would be a "dead ass dude" IF Dante wasn't intoxicated while driving?
Fact: Plax is a moron.
Fact: Carrying a loaded firearm into a nightclub is not smart.
Fact: Celebs feel like they MAY be attacked/robbed esp. after a slew of incidents (the JWalk issue is there).
Fact: Plax NEVER threatened/tried to use said firearm on ANYONE (no loss of life, or injury to ANYONE but his dumb ass self).
Fact: This is a touchy and highly debatable/subjective topic based on many variables and various U.S. state to state statutes and laws.
Fact: Dante drove wasted and killed a dude. Plax shot himself.
Fact: Dante got a plea deal for 30 days. Plax faces 2 years pounding out license plates at 28 cents an hour.
Fact: Germany has strict gun laws because they started and lost 2 World Wars (sorry, Tarlam...lol).

Those are facts. The rest of our Rat banter is subjective.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What you guys are conveniently forgetting is that if JWalk had a gun on him that night, he's enough of an idiot that it likely would have been used against him, not to protect him...I'm just saying...

Now THAT is some good ass dark humor at it's best. Good stuff, Ziggy.

Anyway, back to the point. Legal ramifications and moral obligations aside...

Yeah, Dante (or anyone could have hit and killed that dude). I agree.

But, that situation would NOT have happened if Dante didn't get loaded up and drive that morning. It's hard to say what would have happened otherwise.

Fact: Dante was OWI.
Fact: Dante killed some dude. Nope, the dude is responsible as well..and perhaps solely. That is why they didn't go to court, cause they knew Dante could walk
Fact: That sucks for his dead ass and his family They understood, and took the plea..funny, they get it, but you don't.
Fact: Who's to say that said "dead ass dude" would be a "dead ass dude" IF Dante wasn't intoxicated while driving? Um, the video.
Fact: Plax is a moron. Subjective, but ok
Fact: Carrying a loaded firearm into a nightclub is not smart. Debatable
Fact: Celebs feel like they MAY be attacked/robbed esp. after a slew of incidents (the JWalk issue is there). Very True
Fact: Plax NEVER threatened/tried to use said firearm on ANYONE (no loss of life, or injury to ANYONE but his dumb ass self). Ok. He still broke the law.
Fact: This is a touchy and highly debatable/subjective topic based on many variables and various U.S. state to state statutes and laws. And?
Fact: Dante drove wasted and killed a dude. Plax shot himself. Trying to link the two is dumb. If you wanna argue about plax's sentencing and how sentencing laws for that crime are bad/wrong/too much..fine. But, linking is dumb.
Fact: Dante got a plea deal for 30 days. Plax faces 2 years pounding out license plates at 28 cents an hour. So? Dante also has more than just 30 days as his punishment. Again, the two incidents have nothing to do with each other.
Fact: Germany has strict gun laws because they started and lost 2 World Wars (sorry, Tarlam...lol). Nope. Your understanding of europe is tenuous at best

Those are facts. The rest of our Rat banter is subjective. Not really.

[SnakeLH2006]

Yep, you are right, Ty. Click this so we all know.

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[GrnBay007]

Fact: This is a touchy and highly debatable/subjective topic based on many variables and various U.S. state to state statutes and laws.

And?

I understand the feelings/thoughts on both sides of this argument. I also completely understand those that believe this case was making a statement.

Unfortunately most states "get tough" on certain crimes based on reaction rather than precaution. And then the first to be found in violation of these laws become the so called "public statement". I don't think it has as much to do with Plax status as it does with timing.

For those that say he was placing the public in danger, I agree. However, anyone arrested for driving while intoxicated or drugged is also putting the public in danger and how often do you see those people put in prison for a 1st offense? (never).

The laws and sentencing trends are frustrating. Sex offenders abusing children often times don't get two years in prison. That's wrong.

He broke the law. Had he done the same a year ago or a year from now, the outcome would most likely be way different.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yep, you are right, Ty. Click this so we all know.

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I don't have to be smart to show that what you claim as facts aren't facts. Has nothing to do with brains, just honesty.

[SnakeLH2006]

Yeah. I agree 007. It's a nasty argument. Both are different cases, but I see that you see that is relevant cuz both cases have high-profile NFL WR's involved.

Plax harmed no one but himself. 2 years.
Dante killed some dude OWI. 30 days.
That is BS.

But it's all moot, 007, WE are morons, obviously, I mean why carry on a Rat conversation when so much is clear, babe:

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[GrnBay007]

LOL

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yeah. I agree 007. It's a nasty argument. Both are different cases, but I see that you see that is relevant cuz both cases have high-profile NFL WR's involved.

Plax harmed no one but himself. 2 years.
Dante killed some dude OWI. 30 days.
That is BS.

But it's all moot, 007, WE are morons, obviously, I mean why carry on a Rat conversation when so much is clear, babe:

http://achievements.schrankmonster.d...nstein%20FAILS.

No one has said you a moron. What i have said is that what you claim as facts aren't.

And, the fact that you rely on an ad hominem attack pretty much proves my point.

And, once again....dante received more than 30 days. Stop pretending.

As asked, and never answered....why did the prosecutor cut a deal? Just answer it.

[SnakeLH2006]

Yeah. I agree 007. It's a nasty argument. Both are different cases, but I see that you see that is relevant cuz both cases have high-profile NFL WR's involved.

Plax harmed no one but himself. 2 years.
Dante killed some dude OWI. 30 days.
That is BS.

But it's all moot, 007, WE are morons, obviously, I mean why carry on a Rat conversation when so much is clear, babe:

http://achievements.schrankmonster.d...nstein%20FAILS.

No one has said you a moron. What i have said is that what you claim as facts aren't.

And, the fact that you rely on an ad hominem attack pretty much proves my point.

And, once again....dante received more than 30 days. Stop pretending.

As asked, and never answered....why did the prosecutor cut a deal? Just answer it.

Snake can't. You are smarter than EVERY RAT (not just me and current posters, but future posters..).

How could I counter this, I mean I just can't. Would posting this as my sig make you feel better about yourself, let me know, Ty:

http://achievements.schrankmonster.d...nstein%20FAILS.

[GrnBay007]

As asked, and never answered....why did the prosecutor cut a deal? Just answer it.

Do you know? Unless we are all privileged to court documents none of us know. Could be all kinds of political reasons.....when all else fails, that rules. Maybe the case was not airtight and the prosecutor relayed that to the family. From what I've read the family was in agreement with the deal. Maybe they felt it was better to get a financial settlement then to put him in prison. It's crazy to even debate these things when SOOOO much goes on behind the scenes that none of us know.