Plaxico gets 2 years

[Tarlam!]

He broke the law that said a minimum of 2 years for carrying a concealed weapon. Thank God he only shot himself. If it were your child, you would have a different attitude.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

People should not be allowed to carry concealed weapons. People kill. They maim.

If my daughter or son were at a nightclub where people carried concealed weapons I would want the owner's head.

I'm glad the law is so stiff and it was upheld. And TH87, society is being served everytime a criminal gets what he deserves.

Please don't allow your kids to come to the states. Since many people carry concealed weapons. And, fyi, many bouncers have concealed weapons.

Is it ok for your kids to be at a convenience store that has patrons with concealed weapons?

You do understand that all states allow people to carry concealed weapons...only 46 require a permit. This ain't europe. Ty doesn't think you understand how many have them.

For instance: In Massachusetts, there are over 200K concealed weapons permits, there are about 4.5 million people allowed to have them (21 and older)..so that is like 1 out of 23 people that have a concealed weapons permit....and Tar, that is in the very, very liberal Mass.

While ty understands your opinion..ty doesn't understand why the owner should be fearful from you. The owner is following the law, and if the law allows it, then...well, then it allows it...as it does in AZ.

BTW, just to let you know, many states like Georgia, it is a misdemeanor charge for bringing a gun into a public place. Not a felony, but a misdemeanor.

[th87]

He broke the law that said a minimum of 2 years for carrying a concealed weapon. Thank God he only shot himself. If it were your child, you would have a different attitude.

I understand what you mean, but the argument isn't what the law was. The argument is with respect to the efficacy of the law.

Is it better to put someone away or is it better to rehabilitate them? Plax isn't a psychopath or a hardened thug. I think it's better to teach than to punish (unless they're beyond redemption).

[SnakeLH2006]

All Snake knows is that Tarlam JUST called me from Germany for 20 min on my cell. We don't hate you, Ty. Ease up and live life and be at peace, bro. Life is short, brother.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All Snake knows is that Tarlam JUST called me from Germany for 20 min on my cell. We don't hate you, Ty. Ease up and live life and be at peace, bro. Life is short, brother.

Posted by snake at 2:34..

Snake never insinuated he, or I, was better than you, TY, but I did inisinuate you have no friends as a poster on RATS or in real life. That I mean. You might be a friendless ass bastard that should kill himself. Snake is only judging that off your posts (knowing ya). Snake (long distance and local) has friends. Who do you have on Rats? Name 'em. Peace, Snakey.

Sorry, that was mean. You can't name one. No one likes you on PackerRats. You have NO friends. My bad.

Psycho.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As asked, and never answered....why did the prosecutor cut a deal? Just answer it.

Do you know? Unless we are all privileged to court documents none of us know. Could be all kinds of political reasons.....when all else fails, that rules. Maybe the case was not airtight and the prosecutor relayed that to the family. From what I've read the family was in agreement with the deal. Maybe they felt it was better to get a financial settlement then to put him in prison. It's crazy to even debate these things when SOOOO much goes on behind the scenes that none of us know.

Yes. Because they saw the evidence and realized that they could lose the case.

Political: There is perhaps the smallest of small minorities that wanted Dante to walk. The political reality is that prosecutors keep their job by being tough on crime. Not by cutting deals.

Family: Yes. they agreed. Because they saw the tape, realized that it would be bad to bring it up in court...certainly not going to look good for the father, etc.

Settlement: they woulda got it anyway in a civil suit. Just like OJ.

Scenes: Actually, it is pretty much in the open. That is what is so nice about our criminal system. Open records law.

[SnakeLH2006]

Ty is a great poster. He brings insanely good Packer knowledge. He should not be banned. He has at least 1 friend who can vouch for him as a Rat? NO? Ban the fucking asshole.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty is a great poster. He brings insanely good Packer knowledge. He should not be banned. He has at least 1 friend who can vouch for him as a Rat? NO? Ban the fucking asshole.

Sad.

[SnakeLH2006]

Ty is a great poster. He brings insanely good Packer knowledge. He should not be banned. He has at least 1 friend who can vouch for him as a Rat? NO? Ban the fucking asshole.

Sad.

My bad. You don't have one Rat who can vouch for you. Maybe you just piss EVERYONE off with your negative ass vibe, CPK.....TY. I'd be real worried if I was you. Hate the Snake, but you are the one banned once and pissing Rats off. No? We'll see? Talk some more shit. I make a checklist. Snake says you are NEXT. Good luck. All you do is talk smart.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty is a great poster. He brings insanely good Packer knowledge. He should not be banned. He has at least 1 friend who can vouch for him as a Rat? NO? Ban the fucking asshole.

Sad.

My bad. You don't have one Rat who can vouch for you. Maybe you just piss EVERYONE off with your negative ass vibe, CPK.....TY. I'd be real worried if I was you. Hate the Snake, but you are the one banned once and pissing Rats off. No? We'll see? Talk some more shit. I make a checklist. Snake says you are NEXT. Good luck. All you do is talk smart.

Sad.

[MOBB DEEP]

A better outcome would be a more reasonable sentence taking into account intent, and Plax's danger to society. Then have him talk to kids about the dangers of guns and the pointlessness of violence. His stature could be used to reach more people.

That I feel would serve us far better.

NOT rocket science

[Gunakor]

As asked, and never answered....why did the prosecutor cut a deal? Just answer it.

Do you know? Unless we are all privileged to court documents none of us know. Could be all kinds of political reasons.....when all else fails, that rules. Maybe the case was not airtight and the prosecutor relayed that to the family. From what I've read the family was in agreement with the deal. Maybe they felt it was better to get a financial settlement then to put him in prison. It's crazy to even debate these things when SOOOO much goes on behind the scenes that none of us know.

Snake is laughing his ass off, but yep, 007, that's about it. No doubt they took millions to let it go. But the point is this. Dante KILLED a dude cuz he WAS fucked up. I don't care if dude ran across the street. He killed the dude cuz he was OWI. That's the point.

Snake, please be honest here. If Dante was NOT OWI, and had been driving perfectly sober when that guy ran out in front of his car, is Dante still guilty of killing a man? My point is that the OWI wasn't the reason the guy got hit. If Dante is sober, the guy still gets killed. If Dante is sober, the guy still gets killed. I can't say that enough times. If Dante is sober, and the guy runs out right in front of his car, the guy still gets killed. So who's fault is it? It isn't the alcohol's fault here, because whether Dante was under the influence or not, the guy still gets killed. A sober person could not have avoided that one. So you can't say Dante killed him. Dude killed himself. Suicide by car. Suicide by stupidity.

I assume you've watched the tape by now. So tell me, when I say that if Dante was sober the guy still gets killed, am I lying? Pretend that's a sober person behind the wheel - just pretend here - would the driver of that car have had time to avoid killing that guy? No. So don't blame the driver. Don't blame the alcohol. Blame the dumbfuck that didn't have the common sense to look both ways and wait for traffic to clear before crossing the street. Then charge Dante with the only crime he's truly guilty of, one that is very serious but is NOT murder. DWI. That's all.

30 days in prison for a first offense DWI is a far harsher punishment than anyone here in Wisconsin would receive for a first offense DWI. I know people that haven't sat in jail for 30 days for a SECOND offense DWI. I'd say justice was served here.

[Gunakor]

Does Plax going to jail for two years serve us? I'm not so sure.

I can almost guarantee that 2 years in prison will serve as a far greater deterrent to Plax from bringing his gun into a club anymore than 2 years probation, which would be amended so that he could play football and travel with the team and do all the things that he's always done, thus preserving his lifestyle of old and changing nothing.

I love it, and as I've argued with Ty, I think it's important. Leave your guns at home. Or go to jail. I wish that were the way it was everywhere. Guns are dangerous. They have no business out in public. End of story.

I wish we could put everybody who brings guns into public in jail for 2 years, whether the gun goes off or not.

[SkinBasket]

I wish we could put everybody who brings guns into public in jail for 2 years, whether the gun goes off or not.

I wish people would stop comparing cases that have absolutely nothing in common other than they involve NFL players as the defendants.

If you want to argue that Plaxico is being treated unfairly, you've got to do it within the framework of his case, not someone else's. They have nothing in common and have nothing to with with each other.

[Gunakor]

I wish we could put everybody who brings guns into public in jail for 2 years, whether the gun goes off or not.

I wish people would stop comparing cases that have absolutely nothing in common other than they involve NFL players as the defendants.

If you want to argue that Plaxico is being treated unfairly, you've got to do it within the framework of his case, not someone else's. They have nothing in common and have nothing to with with each other.

I did. I argued both cases, but in separate posts. I made no comparison between the two at all...