Aaron Rodgers -- Hurt or just playing very poorly thus far

[Sparkey]

Rodgers has been playing poorly?
When?

I don't get it either. A-Rod has been our offense the first 3 weeks.

LOL what offense? This was the first game with any semblance of an offense. How quickly we forget!

Well, to me, Rodgers has looked very good - esp considering how often he is getting pressure in his face.
NO interceptions? Coming up clutch in pressure time with a winning bomb against your biggest rival?
I will take that kind of 'poor play' any day of the week!

He played maybe the worst game of his career against our biggest rival: Thank the defense and the 4 int's for winning that game, not the bomb to win it. I mean fuck, we were in position to get the ball in the endzone without going deep. We actually had a drive going... surprisingly. He didn't play all that well against Cincy until late. Defense was responsible for us scoring 2/3rds of our point sin that game until 2 minutes were left. I mean, defense didn't play well, but if they didn't score a TD and set up another at the 5, it's like 38 to 7 instead of 38-30 or whateve rit was.

Last week: Offense put up a TD quick, then sort of fizzled. It went away until about 3 to 4 minutes into the 4th, and even then it was reliant on completeing a couple deep balls more then having sustained drives against the worst team in the NFL.

AR hasn't played well, and you can say what you want about the OL - some of those sacks are on Rodgers and he has admitted to that. He said sometimes he is not making the right Line calls and occasionaly may be holding on to it too long.

What??
He PRODUCED when the game was on the line.
Perhaps you got used to a few wonderful plays during a game - and then that familiar fizzle when it was all on the line.
This is something new - a guy who gets it done under pressure.

Yeah he's had one come from behind victory in a 5 year career!

First off, this is only the start of his second year as a full time starter, so using the phrase "5 year career" is deceptive and you purposely phrased that way, which in and of its self is the definition of trolling on a message board.

You are the most annoying asshat on this forum. You are an arrogant son of a bitch who thinks his shit doesn't stink and when you contradict an ealier post of yours you throw out some more incoherent trash about something else to try and deflect.

I remember someone hear saying your passionate about your beliefs. That is great and everyone should be, BUT you change tune at the slightest change in the weather, so to speak.

To top it off, you use comebacks such as "game set and match...motherfu#&er" and then can not understand why so many posters get annoyed with your shit.

Really, Partial? That type of comment is something you would expect a 16 year old to use.

Maybe, and I actually hope that most of this is a type of sarcastic, smart-ass humor that works amongst regular friends because if you actually, truly post this shit because you believe it ?! Well, then, sir, you are a grade A, prime cut, assclown!!

[bobblehead]

If I would concede the point that Aaron Rodgers is playing poorly, would you also concede that anyone ranked lower than him statistically is also playing poorly?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG

Check out the quarterbacks ranked #7 and #8. Their statistics are quite similar.

Don't care about stats in this case. He is playing okay but not what is expected given the firepower of the offense as a sum of parts.

Would that be the same firepower that seems to drop every pass that hits them in the hands when no defender is near??

If you eliminate half the drops ARod is a complete stud so far. I do agree he holds onto the ball a bit long, but some if this is because MM is only sending out 3 recievers and it makes it tough to find a checkdown. We have barely had a running game to speak of...grant flat out stunk the first 2 weeks.

If we don't establish the run early monday night, we will lose badly. You can't let Allen and crew pin back the ears and come after ARod...he'll get killed. Run a fricking screem MM...PLEASE!!!

[PlantPage55]

You can't even argue with these god damn people. If Aaron Rodgers wins a Super Bowl as a Green Bay Packer, it will because of the amazing weapons he has and a defense that put him there. But Brett Favre single-handedly and miraculously aww-shucked his way to bringing the Packers into prominence and it had nothing to do with the #1 defense, the nice stable of offensive support, and ace special teams unit.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Look out, Partial's been known to compare his post count against others as a way of marking his territory. And a belated welcome to the forum to you.

its not the size of your post count, its how you use it.

That's what I keep trying to tell myself.

Thanks for the welcome, Skin, and mmmdk.

You may be on to something with your username. Regardless, I'm sitting here silently judging you.

[Partial]

I have decided that I'm going to discuss points on here only in a very civil manner and how I would talk to a person face to face from now on.

I realized last night the level of anxiety this site has caused me lately and that is not a good thing.

That said, I will do my best to keep things appropriate and civil. I hope you can all turn over a leaf with me and stop with the insults, etc.

[mraynrand]

To top it off, you use comebacks such as "game set and match...motherfu#&er" and then can not understand why so many posters get annoyed with your shit. That type of comment is something you would expect a 16 year old to use.

QFT

[Tarlam!]

Partial, since you are the main instigator, you'll need to demonstrate a lot of patience with the Rats that you've habitually been uncivilized with. Maybe an apology from you would be in order, even though some people owe you apologies, too.

Don't expect instant results from others, but demonstrate you mean what you say over an extended period. You know I have your back more than anyone here, so trust me when I say, you'll be held to your word and further ostracized if you fall into current habits.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope Rats will at least take a wait and see approach.

[vince]

That was very well said Tar, although I'm not sure any apologies are necessary. Time will tell who is really apologetic and who isn't.

Everyone is right sometimes and everyone is wrong sometimes, even though we all think we're right all the time. From my perspective, it will likely be the "I told you so"s, no matter how veiled in civility they may be, that will degrade the discourse in the future.

[Partial]

Partial, since you are the main instigator, you'll need to demonstrate a lot of patience with the Rats that you've habitually been uncivilized with. Maybe an apology from you would be in order, even though some people owe you apologies, too.

Don't expect instant results from others, but demonstrate you mean what you say over an extended period. You know I have your back more than anyone here, so trust me when I say, you'll be held to your word and further ostracized if you fall into current habits.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope Rats will at least take a wait and see approach.

Tarlam, I completely disagree with you. I put together a nice post with points and counter points.

Here are some of the comments I received numbered for you. I'm so tired of this garbage gang-up hazing behavior being tolerated.

I will certainly agree that I have been uncivilized to a small degree, but to be fair I've been provoked by an angry mob of people who do not share my opinions.

Is this fair? No, it's not. Should it be allowed? No, it should not. All of a sudden one day I went from a good, respected poster to the guy that everyone decided it was okay to completely disrespect. If someone disagrees with my opinions, then fine, but disrespecting me as a person is completely uncalled for and out of line. I'm so tired of it and this place in general.

Half of the things said about me would never be said to my face because it's inappropriate and out of line. Falco, ThunderDan, and Skin know that half of the crap they say on here they would never get away with in real life because they get a beer to the face quickly followed by a clenched fist. I'm so tired of it being okay to keep poking the fucking bear. It's not okay.

I would like to think that peoples' parent's did a better job raising them than that. That's certainly not me, I've snapped on a few times here due to constantly being provoked and ripped on personally, but I'm not an outright asshole consistently over and over and over again.

QFT

Helping or hurting?


26.

You are the most annoying asshat on this forum. You are an arrogant son of a bitch who thinks his shit doesn't stink and when you contradict an ealier post of yours you throw out some more incoherent trash about something else to try and deflect.

I remember someone hear saying your passionate about your beliefs. That is great and everyone should be, BUT you change tune at the slightest change in the weather, so to speak.

To top it off, you use comebacks such as "game set and match...motherfu#&er" and then can not understand why so many posters get annoyed with your shit.

Really, Partial? That type of comment is something you would expect a 16 year old to use.

Maybe, and I actually hope that most of this is a type of sarcastic, smart-ass humor that works amongst regular friends because if you actually, truly post this shit because you believe it ?! Well, then, sir, you are a grade A, prime cut, assclown!!

Helping or hurting. This is completely out of line in every way, shape and or form.

25.

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

Queef?

Inappropriate. Helping or hurting?

24.

Look out, Partial's been known to compare his post count against others as a way of marking his territory. And a belated welcome to the forum to you.

its not the size of your post count, its how you use it.

That's what people with small post counts say. That said, please grow up. Helping or hurting?

23.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

There's someone like Partial on every forum. Lucky us.

Look out, Partial's been known to compare his post count against others as a way of marking his territory. And a belated welcome to the forum to you.

Ridiculous. Again, are you helping or hurting?

22.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

There's someone like Partial on every forum. Lucky us.

You don't know anything about me. Awfully presumptuous, don't you say/

21.

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

Unnecessary given the level of hate thrown around. Please try to help, don't hurt.

20.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

Did I say that? No. Did I imply that? No. Please stop spamming and contributing to a negative environment.

19.

You're way off man. Rodgers isn't average. He's "playing very poor." You just don't get it. He's killing our defense.

I agree, but based on your previous post this is just sarcasm. It's hurting, not helping. It's quite frankly being a negative influence.

18.

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Right Parsh. Everyone is clueless and you are the sole source of supreme football analysis. Apparently, your venerable analyst McGinn doesn't get it either, and those defensive players playing against the Packers this week are clueless too damn it!

When have I ever said that? Why the personal assault? This is completely out of line and awfully presumptuous.

17.

Y'know, I felt kinda bad from time to time when it seemed like people were piling on to Partial or egging him on.

Not any more.

He likes it! Hey Mikey!

No, I don't. I think it speaks to the gang mentality of this forum.

It's a shame, really. Especially that instead of helping the problem you encouraged it.

16.

Guaranteed

Why wouldn't they? They were last year.

This was really contributing a lot to the board. Please grow up. This is ridiculous spam.

15.

Dude, seriously stop with this fucking nonsense. How many different threads do you need to say the same shit? Day after day, give it up man.

agreed

it gets old

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm also entitled to mine and allowed to post well thought out, fair assessments such as this. Instead of debating the merit of the post you chose to engage in spam. Spam gets old faster than a quality first post like mine.

14.

Guaranteed

Again, how is this helping? Are you helping or hurting?

13.

Dude, seriously stop with this fucking nonsense. How many different threads do you need to say the same shit? Day after day, give it up man.

Am I not entitled to post my opinion? This post was horrible. It has inappropriate curse words in it, and personally attacked me. Meanwhile, I took the time to write up a long post as to why I held my position and you ignored it to post this BS. Is that fair to me? No. It's not.

12.

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

How is the contributing to creating a positive environment? Are you setting an example or are you being a hate mongerer?

11.

I like you as a poster because you're typically reasonably but what is the deal with the spam?

10.

This thread blows

yup

I've asked you repeatedly not to respond to my threads, yet you continue to come in here and spam. I do not appreciate it. What was the point of this?

9.

Nothing more to see in this thread. It's done as it's a silly premise.

I disagree. It's not a silly premise at all as we have had an inept offense in my opinion for 80% of the time thus far this season.

8.

Don't care about stats in this case.

By "in this case," he means when they contradict him.

Or at least until he finds some stats he thinks back him up. Then those will be unassailable.

Untrue, unnecessary, and inappropriate. Think of the forum and please be fair.

7.

Don't care about stats in this case.

By "in this case," he means when they contradict him.

Stop slandering my character with your lies. This is unnecessary and inappropriate. What good is this doing the forum?

6.

This thread blows

Unnecessary and inappropriate. Please address the topic at hand.

5.

And maybe we wouldn't have senseless fucking threads like this each week.

Unnecessary and inappropriate. Act like an adult please.

4.

Stop you I am sick of all the

What does this have to do with the topic. Please address the post that I spent time thinking of and writing or do not post in the thread. This is called spam. It isn't contributing anything positive at all.

3.

Seriously, Partial and a couple other guys are not even Packer fans, and should either hit up a Favre forum or a Vikings forum.

This is defamation of character and a line of BS. Unnecessary and inappropriate.

2.

I guess Partial was goaded into this one too?

Inappropriate and unnecessary. How is this productive?

1.

[PlantPage55]

I like you as a poster because you're typically reasonably but what is the deal with the spam?

All right, I'll be the first to apologize for that.

At least I actually addressed why I disagree with the entire premise of the thread though. Still, the pic was unneeded (it always makes me laugh though).

[vince]

Partial, this is apparently an endless cycle.

If you can't see what you're implying when you accuse someone who disagrees with you that they don't "get it" and you expect that people won't take offense to that then there is no hope for civility when it comes to your comments on this forum. And that is just one example in a long-running littany of similar comments and attitude from you that you know all and everyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Don't play dumb and continue to insult the intelligence of the fine posters here, and you will likely be treated better, but it will take thicker skin and less retribution than you've exhibited. And please don't suggest taht you are innocent of unprovoked personal attack. You're not - not by a long shot.

Take Tarlam's advice. Really. Taking you at your word (although your insistence on inciting additional flames with your "See I told you Grant sucks, and so do you all" post demonstrates your not entirely sincere), that's the only approach that will get you where you say you want to go. Of course, you probably see nothing offensive about that post either. Hence the cycle continues to spiral.

[superfan]

This thread title - "Aaron Rodgers - Hurt or just playing very poorly thus far", indicates two negative absolutes: he is either hurt, or he is just playing very poorly.

Is he hurt? Probably, at least a little (who isn't nicked up in some fashion in the NFL) but I have seen nothing to indicate he is hurt seriously enough to affect his play. I believe Partial made some good points arguing against an injury - a QB who is at least moderately injured probably wouldn't be fighting for every yard on scrambles or winging long bombs down the field. One of the arguments was something like "maybe he is throwing the ball too hard for his receivers to catch, thus the drops" - that isn't an indicator of an injured QB.

Is he playing poorly? Not in my opinion. He is currently #7 in QB rating - yes, an overrated stat that isn't necessarily indicative of QB performance, yet it does indicate that he has performed better than "very poorly", compared to the rest of the league, up to this point. He has yet to throw an interception, despite taking aggressive shots down the field with suspect (at best) protection from his offensive line and backs. Whenever I watch the Pack play I feel he is, without a doubt, our best weapon and best chance to win. He makes plays with his arm, with his feet (currently second most rushing yards for QB behind David Garrard) and I think he does have that "it" factor that you need in a QB. He seems poised and doesn't appear to get rattled too easily, although there are some indications that the pressure this year is getting to him (i.e. sacks, knockdowns, etc. - not to be confused with media pressure). He seems to be handling that pressure about as well as I would expect any QB to handle it, including Brady, Manning, etc. All indications are that the players believe in him.

Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. His accuracy has been disappointing on some throws, and the overall play of the offense has been very disappointing. Especially when considering the standard of performance set this preseason. I also think the poor offensive line play and WR drops has contributed in a big way to his decision making - he does seem to be holding the ball too long in several instances and as such is his own worst enemy for some of the sacks he has taken. Have those been coverage/OL blocking sacks, or poor decisions on his part? Probably a little of both. I can't really say, all I've seen is the TV footage, which really doesn't show what is happening in the secondary on most plays.


Back to the thread title - if this were a poll, I would vote "none of the above". His play to this point has been bellow what I was expecting at this point of the season, but he doesn't appear to have an injury serious enough to greatly affect his performance. His timing is obviously off with his receivers and his decision making is debatable, I contribute both mostly to the blocking (or lack thereof) provided by the OL. But considering where he stands statistically right now among NFL QBs, in my opinion he is doing much better than "very poor".

[PackerTimer]

Ok Partial, speaking for myself it annoys the hell out of me that you post your opinion and then refuse to acknowledge contradictory evidence. I have no problem with opinions, but I can't stand it when somebody just keeps going on and ignores everything else.

Some examples.

1. His long ball has been really inaccurate lately. This pass has historically been the strongest part of his game. This season it has been a weakness for him.

His long ball has not been inaccurate. Obviously the deep ball to Jennings in the Bears game was a thing of beauty. In the Rams game he had four well thrown deep ball. Two to Jennings, one to Driver, and, I think, one to Nelson. Rodgers has also had some well thrown deep balls that haven't been drops but have also been very good throws.

3. Catchability of the ball. The receivers have never had a case of the dropsies prior to ARod taking over, yet all of a sudden are dropping boat loads of passes. Could it be the ball is wobbling too much, or maybe thrown too hard, or possibly too high/low, etc?

This is ridiculous. Almost every drop this year has been a ball that hit the receivers square in the hands. I can't remember more than one or two balls that have been dropped because it's been too high or behind a receiver. I just read an article recently where Driver admitted the drops have been on the receivers.

Some of this goes back to last year, where you kept saying Rodgers was no more than an average QB. I'm sorry but that's just plain false. Nobody in the right mind would say Rodgers is average. People are just a little tired of it.

[Partial]

Then people don't need to respond if they're tired of it. I'm entitled to my opinion and am allowed to express it. I disagree with your opinion. I'm not about to make personal attacks against you, though, or encourage others to gang up on you...

I certainly wouldn't justify my dispicable actions by saying "everyone else does it" or something to that effect.

That is the difference between me and most of the people here.

[vince]

Then people don't need to respond if they're tired of it. I'm entitled to my opinion and am allowed to express it. I disagree with your opinion. I'm not about to make personal attacks against you, though, or encourage others to gang up on you...

I certainly wouldn't justify my dispicable actions by saying "everyone else does it" or something to that effect.

That is the difference between me and most of the people here.

The cycle continues. Reread your first sentence and take your own advice Partial. Don't worry about what the rest of us do or don't do. You can't control that. Worry about what you can control - yourself. That is the only way to free yourself. Continuing to insisting that you're right and everyone else is wrong (or worse, everyone else is wrong and stupid - even in what you apparently think is an acceptable way, such as "I can't believe you homers." or "Sometimes I wonder how you guys make it through the day." or "It's hilarious how you can't admit when you're wrong." or "All the professionals agree with me" or "*sigh* You guys don't get it." or "See I told you so. Boom." should I continue?) will only perpetuate the cycle.