Aaron Rodgers -- Hurt or just playing very poorly thus far

[Waldo]

I am considering when AR has had a defense that provided support and didn't give up easy last minute come from behind wins (this year).

Oh, so your considering the defense that has set up half our points, verses a offense that can score consistently without that.

My bad.

But those set ups also took away offensive drives where we could have otherwise scored.

There is a reason for the saying "turnovers win games".

[packerbacker1234]

Look, AR hasn't been great. You can say what you want about AR "carrying the team" against the rams... BUT IT'S THE RAMS. He completed 3 Long balls, not 5 (as someone suggested) and he overthrew two others. Naturally, you can't hit "every" long ball, but his misses? So far this year every missed throw on the long ball was a guarenteed TD pass. Every one of them. Yeah, he hit 3 good long balls in the game against the rams, but were any of them as good as the two he missed on? On two he missed, the WR's were gone. Float them the ball and bam, TD.

Look, AR is not a bad QB, but I do think all of us have gotten too high on him too soon. He isn't perfect, and I am starting to think this whole "lack of turning it over" is showing a "lack of taking a chance". It's easy to throw a ball deep to a 1 on 1 guy, minimal risk. It's a lot different on 3rd and 6 and just eating a sack or throwing it away. IT's fine doing that now and then, but every time?

AR isn't a "great" QB yet, but he's above average. He just... seems to be missing something. I can't pinpoint what it is, but he is definitely missing something.

You have seen Brett Favre play football, correct?

He completed just as many passes to the opposition as he did to his own team when he went deep.

Hove you forgotten the wind-up gasp?

I believe that AR was the only QB to average more than a 50% completion % on bombs last season.

Who can forget the wind up gasp? I am not asking him to be #4. I am talking pure decision wise: When deciding to throw a ball there are some easy reads: A guy is open, beat the defender, guy has half a step and needs a well placed ball, guy has tight one on one coverage. In this case, when you glance deep and see 1 on 1, it's easier to decide to throw it. You trust your WR will minimaly break it up if he can't catch it.

I mean, this year his deep ball is irradic. Sure, he has a nice percentage, but he is MISSING on the wide open ones. THe Zero risk throw. He throws better it seems when he has a small risk factor then when he has none on those deep balls.

I was more or less using the deep 1 on 1 decision as a comparison to needing to throw a perfect ball for just a first down to keep a drive alive... instead of taking a sack and throwing it away. I mean, at some point it's more then just being "safe".

[Waldo]

You can't expect a guy to be money on every throw of 50 yards.

He tends to miss long, only on rare occasions he misses short.

Brett missed short. That is right where the recently burned DB is.

Only one QB has completed more 40+ passes than AR this year. Peyton Manning.

He's tied with Romo and Rivers

[Iron Mike]

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

[mmmdk]

well guys, which one is it?

does this thread suck, or blow?

That hoover maid spaceship thing is gonna blow...

[packerbacker1234]

I am considering when AR has had a defense that provided support and didn't give up easy last minute come from behind wins (this year).

Oh, so your considering the defense that has set up half our points, verses a offense that can score consistently without that.

My bad.

But those set ups also took away offensive drives where we could have otherwise scored.

There is a reason for the saying "turnovers win games".

Or it ends in a punt. We have 16 punts in 3 games, so on average 5 drives a game end in a punt. 5. There is more then likely a chance that the 2 or so time shte defense sets up points that it ends in a punt then our offense drives the field.

[Partial]

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Right Parsh. Everyone is clueless and you are the sole source of supreme football analysis. Apparently, your venerable analyst McGinn doesn't get it either, and those defensive players playing against the Packers this week are clueless too damn it!

...the performance of Aaron Rodgers and deep threats Greg Jennings and Donald Driver probably brought back memories for Rams fans of the vast firepower their team had not that long ago.

"They have a great quarterback and he's a great leader," Rams defensive tackle Clifton Ryan said. "We saw him on film all week. No matter how hard you're rushing them, he's going to find a way to kill you. He did that today. He's a hell of a player. . . a hell of a player."

Although Rodgers passed for 269 yards, it wasn't like he had receivers running wide open. Spagnuolo, who two seasons ago as the New York Giants' defensive coordinator shut down Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl, has three good cover cornerbacks and generally had them in position.

The crux of the matter, according to 12th-year defensive end Leonard Little, was Rodgers' pinpoint accuracy.

"A lot of times we had a DB right on (the receiver)," said Little. "And he threw it in the right spot. He did a real good job."

You live and die on the deep ball you're going to kill your D. We're getting clobbered in TOP despite dominating the turnover battle. That's not good.

Being able to play small ball and control the clock were what made the second half of 2007 special. Even then, the D still was gased by the end of the year.

[Partial]

Rodgers has been playing poorly?
When?

I don't get it either. A-Rod has been our offense the first 3 weeks.

LOL what offense? This was the first game with any semblance of an offense. How quickly we forget!

[The Shadow]

Rodgers has been playing poorly?
When?

I don't get it either. A-Rod has been our offense the first 3 weeks.

LOL what offense? This was the first game with any semblance of an offense. How quickly we forget!

Well, to me, Rodgers has looked very good - esp considering how often he is getting pressure in his face.
NO interceptions? Coming up clutch in pressure time with a winning bomb against your biggest rival?
I will take that kind of 'poor play' any day of the week!

[mmmdk]

Rodgers has been playing poorly?
When?

I don't get it either. A-Rod has been our offense the first 3 weeks.

LOL what offense? This was the first game with any semblance of an offense. How quickly we forget!

A-Rod is playing the McCarthy version of Raider ball pretty well even though it sucks to play deep.

WTF is so LOL about that?

[get louder at lambeau]

*sigh*. You guys just don't get it.

Yes, we know. We'll never be as smart or insightful as you. It breaks our stupid little hearts.

There's someone like Partial on every forum. Lucky us.

[packerbacker1234]

Rodgers has been playing poorly?
When?

I don't get it either. A-Rod has been our offense the first 3 weeks.

LOL what offense? This was the first game with any semblance of an offense. How quickly we forget!

Well, to me, Rodgers has looked very good - esp considering how often he is getting pressure in his face.
NO interceptions? Coming up clutch in pressure time with a winning bomb against your biggest rival?
I will take that kind of 'poor play' any day of the week!

He played maybe the worst game of his career against our biggest rival: Thank the defense and the 4 int's for winning that game, not the bomb to win it. I mean fuck, we were in position to get the ball in the endzone without going deep. We actually had a drive going... surprisingly. He didn't play all that well against Cincy until late. Defense was responsible for us scoring 2/3rds of our point sin that game until 2 minutes were left. I mean, defense didn't play well, but if they didn't score a TD and set up another at the 5, it's like 38 to 7 instead of 38-30 or whateve rit was.

Last week: Offense put up a TD quick, then sort of fizzled. It went away until about 3 to 4 minutes into the 4th, and even then it was reliant on completeing a couple deep balls more then having sustained drives against the worst team in the NFL.

AR hasn't played well, and you can say what you want about the OL - some of those sacks are on Rodgers and he has admitted to that. He said sometimes he is not making the right Line calls and occasionaly may be holding on to it too long.

[falco]

Last week: Offense put up a TD quick, then sort of fizzled. It went away until about 3 to 4 minutes into the 4th, and even then it was reliant on completeing a couple deep balls more then having sustained drives against the worst team in the NFL.

Ahh, now it makes sense. You don't even watch the games! If you did, you would have known that we scored two TDs on 80+ yard drives in the first half.

[Partial]

Rodgers has been playing poorly?
When?

I don't get it either. A-Rod has been our offense the first 3 weeks.

LOL what offense? This was the first game with any semblance of an offense. How quickly we forget!

A-Rod is playing the McCarthy version of Raider ball pretty well even though it sucks to play deep.

WTF is so LOL about that?

You cannot undo 2 weeks of horrible O with one solid (not spectacular) outting against the JV team of the NFL. It doesn't work like that.

[Partial]

Last week: Offense put up a TD quick, then sort of fizzled. It went away until about 3 to 4 minutes into the 4th, and even then it was reliant on completeing a couple deep balls more then having sustained drives against the worst team in the NFL.

Ahh, now it makes sense. You don't even watch the games! If you did, you would have known that we scored two TDs on 80+ yard drives in the first half.

He's completely right. Where did we have any drives showing that we can win a cold game at Soldier field in the snow? None. We haven't shown that this season. They won't win when it matters if they don't learn to play "small ball".