Packers Linebackers

[bobblehead]

Your looking at 4 games....I'm looking at 15 years+. I don't believe Dom...all on his own went conservative. I think MM works the gameplan with him, or worse interjects during the game. Historically Dom is aggressive, suddenly he is not. Vanilla Bob was boring to a fault...the common denominator seems to be MM. (the same guy who forgets to call a running play after the first quarter)

Bobble, you are on weak ground here. McCarthy and Sanders said several times its the DC's game plan.

McCarthy himself has said he doesn't even spend much time in meetings with his DC since he is working on the O's game plan and play calling list.

Capers would not have taken a job where he could not run his defense the way he wanted to run it.

and MM never gives bland and/or misleading answers does he. If you believe everything they say, then TT was interested in Michael Vick...yea right.

[mmmdk]

I'm not surprised to see our D struggle at times. This is a whole new scheme and we all knew there would be bumps in the road. Considering how woeful our O line has been and our D still working out the kinks it is a wonder we are 2-2 right now. We have a lot of football yet to be played. Often teams turn things around after a bye.

Packers 7-3 after bye last 10 seasons:

2008: 16-19 OT loss at Titans (6-10, 2-7 after bye)
2007: 19-13 OT win at Broncos (13-3, 8-2 after bye)
2006: 34-24 win at Dolphins (8-8, 7-4 after bye)
2005: 20-23 loss at Vikings (4-12, 3-8 after bye)
2004: 34-31 win vs Vikings (10-6, 6-2 after bye)
2003: 30-27 win at Vikings (10-6, 7-2 after bye)
2002: 24-10 win vs Dolphins (12-4, 6-3 after bye)
2001: 21-20 win vs Bucs (12-4, 8-2 after bye)
2000: 20-28 loss at Dolphins (9-7, 6-3 after bye)
1999: 26-23 win vs Bucs (8-8, 6-7 after bye)

An after the bye win or loss might point to where the Packer season really is going.

Note: Wow, 3 times each Vikes & Fish games after bye in just 10 seasons

[bobblehead]

5 men down, the right end looks like he is much further forward than guy on his left (Jenkins?).

LB standing up on D's left (Poppinga or Kamp) is not. Has to be the last guy with hand on ground on D's right.

BTW, can anyone see Bishop offsides? This is .01 seconds before the snap.

Based on that picture the center looks offsides based on the purple line...of course he moves the ball forward when he sets which makes him onsides. No packer is offsides of the liine of scrimmage in that picture, although the top right man down in his stance may be lined up neutral to where the center moved the ball. I noticed the networks showd the PI on woodson and said it was a weak call, but they didn't even touch the offsides call.

[bobblehead]

Offside isn't ticky-tacky. It's boolean. You either are or you aren't. No grey area. That picture is a terrible angle for judging the call I might add.

You guys got some pretty good home cookin on Monday. I loved how the time keeper tried to run the last second off the clock at the end of the first half. Is that a league guy, or do the Vikings hire somebody to push the button?

Well, I've seen that swing the other way. I found it amusing the time the NFL admitted they missed 8 calls in the fourth quarter at Lambeau a few years back. All 8 going against the Vikings. Man, that was the most obvious stuff I ever saw.

As for that last second thing, I looked up as the guy hit the ground and it was zero.... Haven't see the replay I must admit. My thought at the time was "how do you call a timeout before you hit the ground?".

I'd like to see documentation of taht one....8 calls in a quarter and the league admitted it?? Usually they read the QB's mind and conclude it was a safety rather than admit they botched it.

Anyway, at that time I'm sure the great BF was our QB and we definately got more calls back then.

[bobblehead]

Last year he was double teamed. This year it is the scheme. At some point people need to admit that Kamp isn't a very good pass rusher. He's not a move around, terrorize type rusher. He isn't a hit the QB in 2.5 sec rusher. He isn't a dominated, or smoked 'em type rusher. He is a beneficiary of flushed QB's and coverage rusher.

Tell that to the NO saints. The year Kamp hit the QB in about 2.5 seconds twice in the first quarter one causing a fumble. That same season Jayson Taylor did the same thing to College starting at LT vs. Miami. Shortly afterwards Cliff Christl declared that Kampman just wasn't the same type of explosive player as JT was. Cliff...is that you?

edit...PS, that not very good pass rusher has exactly .5, as in one half less sack than Allen did over 4 years. (at least that is what I read...maybe it was 3 years. 37.5 to 37)

[bobblehead]

It's mostly Capers, I believe. I don't believe in the premise that we've been ultra-conservative either. Different game. Different gameplan. It seems to me we blitzed a lot against Chicago, and we blitzed early against Cincinnati. When Benson started running well, we tweaked the plan a bit. St. Louis has one guy that can beat you, Steven Jackson. That was the focus. Minnesota has the best RB on the planet, so you have to game plan him. They decided that blitzing could open things up against Peterson. Favre played a great game. The safety breakdowns didn't help, and I don't think they thought they'd go so little pressure rushing four. Choose your poison, I guess. If we blitz, and Peterson runs for 70 yards, then people would complain about that. I think you'll see more blitzing against Detroit (because they'll want to rattle the rookie) and Cleveland (because their running game is pretty anemic).

I totally agree. But why didn't we adjust to Favre playing lights out and take the risk of AP taking one off... Couldn't we have balanced the scheme and kept the Vikes O on their toes?

We actually did. We didn't play 8 in the box very much. Collins might have crept a bit closer as a rover, but he has the make up speed to do that and still man a deep zone.

Favre abused the same thing that Boller and Palmer did. The guy replacing Bigby.

Almost every TD that we have given up all season, and almost every big play, have been partially or fully the fault of the guy replacing Bigby.

Now this I agree with 100%

[ThunderDan]

5 men down, the right end looks like he is much further forward than guy on his left (Jenkins?).

LB standing up on D's left (Poppinga or Kamp) is not. Has to be the last guy with hand on ground on D's right.

BTW, can anyone see Bishop offsides? This is .01 seconds before the snap.

Based on that picture the center looks offsides based on the purple line...of course he moves the ball forward when he sets which makes him onsides. No packer is offsides of the liine of scrimmage in that picture, although the top right man down in his stance may be lined up neutral to where the center moved the ball. I noticed the networks showd the PI on woodson and said it was a weak call, but they didn't even touch the offsides call.

The other issue I have with that is that if the Center is there and onsides the RT is too far off of the line of scrimmage and it should be an illegal formation.

[Rastak]

Offside isn't ticky-tacky. It's boolean. You either are or you aren't. No grey area. That picture is a terrible angle for judging the call I might add.

You guys got some pretty good home cookin on Monday. I loved how the time keeper tried to run the last second off the clock at the end of the first half. Is that a league guy, or do the Vikings hire somebody to push the button?

Well, I've seen that swing the other way. I found it amusing the time the NFL admitted they missed 8 calls in the fourth quarter at Lambeau a few years back. All 8 going against the Vikings. Man, that was the most obvious stuff I ever saw.

As for that last second thing, I looked up as the guy hit the ground and it was zero.... Haven't see the replay I must admit. My thought at the time was "how do you call a timeout before you hit the ground?".

I'd like to see documentation of taht one....8 calls in a quarter and the league admitted it?? Usually they read the QB's mind and conclude it was a safety rather than admit they botched it.

Anyway, at that time I'm sure the great BF was our QB and we definately got more calls back then.

The league keeps that stuff under wraps and Tice opened his mouth and I think the league was pretty pissed. Anyway, anyone with decent vision saw what happened that day. You show a picture at an angle and ask us to judge if a guy is offside....how in the hell can one do that? They can't.

Calls go different ways all the time. Vikings recovered a fumble and have possesion. Ben Steele pulls it away. Packers get the ball in a bull shit call.

So what? There were probably 10 other plays that could have turned the tide. I know Rice was asked about that PI call and he said Woodson made a nice play, grabbed him to push him back and get himself position. Letter of the law that's a flag. Was it a good call, not so sure.


Let me say this. Let's review the film and see every single call that was missed and at the end of the day see if we just went through a pointless exercise.

[Sparkey]

Offside isn't ticky-tacky. It's boolean. You either are or you aren't. No grey area. That picture is a terrible angle for judging the call I might add.

You guys got some pretty good home cookin on Monday. I loved how the time keeper tried to run the last second off the clock at the end of the first half. Is that a league guy, or do the Vikings hire somebody to push the button?

Well, I've seen that swing the other way. I found it amusing the time the NFL admitted they missed 8 calls in the fourth quarter at Lambeau a few years back. All 8 going against the Vikings. Man, that was the most obvious stuff I ever saw.

As for that last second thing, I looked up as the guy hit the ground and it was zero.... Haven't see the replay I must admit. My thought at the time was "how do you call a timeout before you hit the ground?".

I'd like to see documentation of taht one....8 calls in a quarter and the league admitted it?? Usually they read the QB's mind and conclude it was a safety rather than admit they botched it.

Anyway, at that time I'm sure the great BF was our QB and we definately got more calls back then.

The league keeps that stuff under wraps and Tice opened his mouth and I think the league was pretty pissed. Anyway, anyone with decent vision saw what happened that day. You show a picture at an angle and ask us to judge if a guy is offside....how in the hell can one do that? They can't.

Calls go different ways all the time. Vikings recovered a fumble and have possesion. Ben Steele pulls it away. Packers get the ball in a bull shit call.

So what? There were probably 10 other plays that could have turned the tide. I know Rice was asked about that PI call and he said Woodson made a nice play, grabbed him to push him back and get himself position. Letter of the law that's a flag. Was it a good call, not so sure.


Let me say this. Let's review the film and see every single call that was missed and at the end of the day see if we just went through a pointless exercise.

Why so defensive ?

[Rastak]

I like Defense!

[Sparkey]

I like Defense!