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    McCarthy on the game

    Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.

    We'll bring you any news and notes when he starts.

    Here we go:

    * Will Blackmon suffered an ACL injury. He is out for the season.
    * Desmond Bishop should be fine. Daryn Colledge, "they are anticipating he will be OK for Detroit."
    * Derrick Martin had a throat bruise and he stayed overnight in the hospital.
    * Almost everyone else should be back after the bye.
    * Atari Bigby is still questionable. Bigby wants to be back. Dr. Pat McKenzie is being more cautious.
    * As for Charles Woodson's comments: "He's as competitive a player as there is in the NFL. It was emotionally driven. I don't shy away from opinions that are different than mine. I don't think we have a problem there."
    * Getting Chad Clifton back will definitely help (the protection issues). It's just not one guy. It's really the combination of some of the things in the protection units. And the quarterback has to know his time clock."
    * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."
    * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
    * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.
    * The Packers had Mark Tauscher in today for a workout.
    * Obviously Mark has played a ton of football for us. Having his experience in the room would help.
    * "They said he looked good," McCarthy said of the guys who worked out.
    * McCarthy said Oct. 1 was kind of the date the Packers had in mind with Tauscher after his ACL surgery. From a medical standpoint, they felt it was the time he would be ready to play football.
    * On penalties: "Get to me? It's something that's addressed. I don't like how we've had more penalties than them, and that's happened a lot."
    * "I think we're right where our record is, 2-2."
    * Didn't really answer a question about the lack of pressure on the quarterback. That was a bit strange.

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    A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?
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  • #2
    Re: McCarthy on the game

    Originally posted by Sparkey
    * Derrick Martin had a throat bruise and he stayed overnight in the hospital.

    I thought Al Harris was going to choke him after the TD to Berrian.

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    • #3
      Re: McCarthy on the game

      Originally posted by Sparkey
      Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.


      * Getting Chad Clifton back will definitely help (the protection issues). It's just not one guy. It's really the combination of some of the things in the protection units. And the quarterback has to know his time clock."
      * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."



      * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
      * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.


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      A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?



      In other words: our receivers and the patterns they ran were < Viking coverage. He's asking Rodgers to concede the offensive series rather than try to make a play when the offensive game plan created by MM and Philbin ain't working.

      EDIT: And after having read it again I call bullshit! Some of the sacks could have been thrown away. Not all of them> Why is he protecting the feelings of an inferior line over the only superior player in his whole freaking offense yesterday?
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      • #4
        Re: McCarthy on the game

        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
        Originally posted by Sparkey
        * Derrick Martin had a throat bruise and he stayed overnight in the hospital.

        I thought Al Harris was going to choke him after the TD to Berrian.
        Maybe he did ? They didn't leave the camera on them very long!

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        • #5
          Re: McCarthy on the game

          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
          Originally posted by Sparkey
          * Derrick Martin had a throat bruise and he stayed overnight in the hospital.

          I thought Al Harris was going to choke him after the TD to Berrian.
          I wouldn't put it past him.
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          • #6
            Re: McCarthy on the game

            Originally posted by swede
            Originally posted by Sparkey
            Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.


            * Getting Chad Clifton back will definitely help (the protection issues). It's just not one guy. It's really the combination of some of the things in the protection units. And the quarterback has to know his time clock."
            * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."



            * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
            * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.


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            A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?



            In other words: our receivers and the patterns they ran were < Viking coverage. He's asking Rodgers to concede the offensive series rather than try to make a play when the offensive game plan created by MM and Philbin ain't working.
            Yeah, it might be time to start giving some credit instead of blame. Look, some are gonna blame arod for the pick. That is wrong. He threw the ball where it needed to be. GJ has to beat his man, he can't allow the vikes db to win that battle. I've looked at it several times...he rounded the route off, he was a bit lazy, he looked surprised the ball was coming his way....but, all things say the same thing....our WR got beat.

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            • #7
              Re: McCarthy on the game

              Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
              Originally posted by swede
              Originally posted by Sparkey
              Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.


              * Getting Chad Clifton back will definitely help (the protection issues). It's just not one guy. It's really the combination of some of the things in the protection units. And the quarterback has to know his time clock."
              * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."



              * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
              * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.


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              A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?



              In other words: our receivers and the patterns they ran were < Viking coverage. He's asking Rodgers to concede the offensive series rather than try to make a play when the offensive game plan created by MM and Philbin ain't working.
              Yeah, it might be time to start giving some credit instead of blame. Look, some are gonna blame arod for the pick. That is wrong. He threw the ball where it needed to be. GJ has to beat his man, he can't allow the vikes db to win that battle. I've looked at it several times...he rounded the route off, he was a bit lazy, he looked surprised the ball was coming his way....but, all things say the same thing....our WR got beat.
              I'm not guessing who was "right", but rodgers expected jennings to cut that route off about a yard earlier...he threw it before jennings broke off....but jennings broke off about a yard later than where the throw was. Mighta been him, mighta been ARod, but the dback read it and made a good play facing the QB.
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              • #8
                Re: McCarthy on the game

                Originally posted by swede
                Originally posted by Sparkey
                Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.


                * Getting Chad Clifton back will definitely help (the protection issues). It's just not one guy. It's really the combination of some of the things in the protection units. And the quarterback has to know his time clock."
                * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."



                * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
                * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.


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                A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?



                In other words: our receivers and the patterns they ran were < Viking coverage. He's asking Rodgers to concede the offensive series rather than try to make a play when the offensive game plan created by MM and Philbin ain't working.

                EDIT: And after having read it again I call bullshit! Some of the sacks could have been thrown away. Not all of them> Why is he protecting the feelings of an inferior line over the only superior player in his whole freaking offense yesterday?
                Not conceding the series, but often conceding the DOWN might be better. He could have thrown away a couple of first and second down sacks and had a more manageable situation on the next down. 2nd and ten is better than 2nd and 17 cuz he took the sack. Then we can still run on 2nd down and have a third and 6 instead of passing again, getting 8 yards and having third and 9...plus the sack is more demoralizing.
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                • #9
                  Re: McCarthy on the game

                  Originally posted by Sparkey
                  Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                  Originally posted by Sparkey
                  * Derrick Martin had a throat bruise and he stayed overnight in the hospital.

                  I thought Al Harris was going to choke him after the TD to Berrian.
                  Maybe he did ? They didn't leave the camera on them very long!

                  If Al didnt do it, a couple of guys from Mondovi with cheeseheads on did.
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                  • #10
                    Re: McCarthy on the game

                    Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                    Yeah, it might be time to start giving some credit instead of blame. Look, some are gonna blame arod for the pick. That is wrong. He threw the ball where it needed to be. GJ has to beat his man, he can't allow the vikes db to win that battle. I've looked at it several times...he rounded the route off, he was a bit lazy, he looked surprised the ball was coming his way....but, all things say the same thing....our WR got beat.
                    I saw brett pump faking all night. better communication, a pump fake and go downfield and you've got six...

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                    • #11
                      Re: McCarthy on the game

                      Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                      Originally posted by swede
                      Originally posted by Sparkey
                      Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.
                      * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."

                      * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
                      * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.
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                      A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?
                      In other words: our receivers and the patterns they ran were < Viking coverage. He's asking Rodgers to concede the offensive series rather than try to make a play when the offensive game plan created by MM and Philbin ain't working.
                      Yeah, it might be time to start giving some credit instead of blame. Look, some are gonna blame arod for the pick. That is wrong. He threw the ball where it needed to be. GJ has to beat his man, he can't allow the vikes db to win that battle. I've looked at it several times...he rounded the route off, he was a bit lazy, he looked surprised the ball was coming his way....but, all things say the same thing....our WR got beat.
                      Some of it can be put on the receivers, but there was also an article before the game that discussed Rodgers not 'throwing the receiver open', or throwing to where the receiver can make a break and be open. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/63491387.html It's likely that there are places and times to throw the ball on some of his sacks, well before the sack, he just isn't seeing it yet.
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                      • #12
                        Rodgers certainly holds the ball too long...he's still a relatively inexperienced starter by NFL standards, and he looks awful jittery in the pocket after taking all those hits. Thompson has really set this team back by ignoring the OL for 2-3 years. I've yelled about picking up some FA OL help for 2 years running now.
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                        • #13
                          Re: McCarthy on the game

                          Originally posted by MadScientist
                          Some of it can be put on the receivers, but there was also an article before the game that discussed Rodgers not 'throwing the receiver open', or throwing to where the receiver can make a break and be open.
                          You are missing some context on that term. Its a phrase McCarthy used for Favre and his ability to drill a ball into a spot when the receiver is otherwise covered. This is the source of his brilliance and his madness.

                          Silverstein is using this term for a comparison and is trying to point out that Rodgers doesn't take these chances. Silverstein's view is that they are necessary to be a winner. He is ignoring several dozen other QBs who have won without taking this particular risk. His definition of winning is essentially Favre, which is fine, but a bit limited.

                          The term you are referencing above is throwing to a spot, not simply leading a receiver on a straight line somewhere, but throwing to a spot you know he will be breaking to during the throw. Whether Rodger is doing this well this year is debatable. I have not seen enough highlights of throws of this type.
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                          • #14
                            Re: McCarthy on the game

                            Originally posted by MichiganPackerFan
                            Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                            Yeah, it might be time to start giving some credit instead of blame. Look, some are gonna blame arod for the pick. That is wrong. He threw the ball where it needed to be. GJ has to beat his man, he can't allow the vikes db to win that battle. I've looked at it several times...he rounded the route off, he was a bit lazy, he looked surprised the ball was coming his way....but, all things say the same thing....our WR got beat.
                            I saw brett pump faking all night. better communication, a pump fake and go downfield and you've got six...
                            In order to pump fake you have to have time to pump fake. Let us know when arod has that time.

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                            • #15
                              Re: McCarthy on the game

                              Originally posted by bobblehead
                              Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                              Originally posted by swede
                              Originally posted by Sparkey
                              Green Bay - Packers coach Mike McCarthy will speak shortly about the loss the Minnesota Vikings.


                              * Getting Chad Clifton back will definitely help (the protection issues). It's just not one guy. It's really the combination of some of the things in the protection units. And the quarterback has to know his time clock."
                              * Aaron Rodgers had a ton of positive production. But he had some plays he'll wish he had back. We didn't call plays where you hold onto the ball. "A number of the them (sacks) could have been avoided, clearly."



                              * He only has three reads in our offense and I tell him exactly who 1, 2 and 3 are. When you stay in tune with that, the time clock fits and it's not protection.
                              * You've got to trust the read and that didn't happen all the time.


                              -----------------------------

                              A young quarterback trying to make a big play too often maybe ?



                              In other words: our receivers and the patterns they ran were < Viking coverage. He's asking Rodgers to concede the offensive series rather than try to make a play when the offensive game plan created by MM and Philbin ain't working.
                              Yeah, it might be time to start giving some credit instead of blame. Look, some are gonna blame arod for the pick. That is wrong. He threw the ball where it needed to be. GJ has to beat his man, he can't allow the vikes db to win that battle. I've looked at it several times...he rounded the route off, he was a bit lazy, he looked surprised the ball was coming his way....but, all things say the same thing....our WR got beat.
                              I'm not guessing who was "right", but rodgers expected jennings to cut that route off about a yard earlier...he threw it before jennings broke off....but jennings broke off about a yard later than where the throw was. Mighta been him, mighta been ARod, but the dback read it and made a good play facing the QB.
                              Jennings rounded the route off...go look at it...and he was pretty lazy.

                              Regardless of mistake or not....Jennings has to beat his man to the ball. That is part of being a #1 receiver and being paid like an all pro.

                              Winfield did make a good play, no doubt.

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