Good Intentions

[Fritz]

It's not what many of us more optimistic posters expected at this point, and it's not what anyone here wants.

I am most disappointed in the penalties and the play of the offensive line.

Again, I'll say it: there's time for this team to get to that 10-6 and the playoffs place, as long as there are no major injuries.

If there are no major injuries but the team finishes at 7-9 or worse - even if they win their last two or three - then it might be time for the team to can MM, and perhaps Thompson.

In some regards, the worst scenario - as someone here has pointed out - would be a healthy team and an 8-8 or 9-7 finish, where the team misses the playoffs but finishes strong.

Then what? Do you give MM and TT another season - the idea they finished strong, the line will be experienced, all that - or do you say, y'know, it's been five years, and MM and TT just don't have the team moving in the right direction?

That might be the toughest call. I'm not even sure where I'd stand. I generally think a GM should be given five years - I think rebuilding done right takes time, sorry - but if the team stays relatively healthy but finishes 9-7, even if they win their last three or four in a row - man, I don't know.

Guess I'll know more as the season progresses.

[retailguy]

Then what? Do you give MM and TT another season - the idea they finished strong, the line will be experienced, all that - or do you say, y'know, it's been five years, and MM and TT just don't have the team moving in the right direction?

That might be the toughest call. I'm not even sure where I'd stand. I generally think a GM should be given five years - I think rebuilding done right takes time, sorry - but if the team stays relatively healthy but finishes 9-7, even if they win their last three or four in a row - man, I don't know.

Guess I'll know more as the season progresses.

So, you're giving the guy credit for "rebuilding" when he insisted he wasn't rebuilding, and, his handpicked coach, said all the dreamhouse needed was a coat of paint?

There is a time for the GM to be decpetive, and that IS NOT when he's talking to the hometown fans about the direction of the team... Sorry, Fritz, I disagree.

[Fritz]

I don't know of many GM's who say to their fans, yes, we suck and we're tearing it all apart this year. So hang on, because it's going to take a couple years.

Maybe the Lions' new GM. But that's about it.

I didn't buy MM's line about the coat of paint crap, but I expected it.

So I'm okay with a five year plan.

But we're in year five now, and the team needs to step up - including the coach and GM.

TT is limited now in what he can do, but if there's a veteran left tackle out there who could come in and be serviceable if Clifton can't go again somewhere, well, sign him. I know Waldo doesn't agree, but this shuffling hurts the team - not just in the one left tackle spot, but in the two others that get shifted as well.

And besides, Colledge sucked at left tackle. Sorry, he did.

Like I said, IF the team stays healthy but finishes 7-9 or worse, I don't think it's a tough call to can MM and TT too. And if they go 10-6 and are in the playoffs, okay. That buys them a year.

But what if they go 8-8 and 7-9 with no big injuries, but they finish strong?

Then what?

Tough call.

[retailguy]

Ted is not getting fired this year. I would say that it doesn't matter what the record is...

McCarthy? that's another story.

[retailguy]

I don't disagree with anything else you said Fritz, except the honesty part.

You could walk a "finer" line than Thompson did. He purposely came out and said we would not do something, and then did exactly what he said we wouldn't do. No reason for that. Plenty of other ways to handle that.

[bobblehead]

You just wait until Justin Harrell the poster sees this article. He'll tell Mike Vandermause that he leads an unhappy life with so much hate built up inside!


[begin sarcasm]
I'm a much happier person since I grudgingly admitted that Ted's way is the right way.

This season is totally Rodgers fault - the offensive line is JUST FINE. Ted really has provided us with a consistently versatile group of guys, who are just punching bags for the real issue. [end sarcasm]

Love ya RG, but if JH posted this same thing about you the admin would be all over him. Our admin is not a neutral party.

[Rastak]

You just wait until Justin Harrell the poster sees this article. He'll tell Mike Vandermause that he leads an unhappy life with so much hate built up inside!


[begin sarcasm]
I'm a much happier person since I grudgingly admitted that Ted's way is the right way.

This season is totally Rodgers fault - the offensive line is JUST FINE. Ted really has provided us with a consistently versatile group of guys, who are just punching bags for the real issue. [end sarcasm]

Love ya RG, but if JH posted this same thing about you the admin would be all over him. Our admin is not a neutral party.

No, I have a feeling he looks at total body of work and not individual posts. I would.

If you are a shithead day in day out eventually you get your ass tossed. It's that simple.

[woodbuck27]

I don't know of many GM's who say to their fans, yes, we suck and we're tearing it all apart this year. So hang on, because it's going to take a couple years.

Maybe the Lions' new GM. But that's about it.

I didn't buy MM's line about the coat of paint crap, but I expected it.

So I'm okay with a five year plan.

But we're in year five now, and the team needs to step up - including the coach and GM.

TT is limited now in what he can do, but if there's a veteran left tackle out there who could come in and be serviceable if Clifton can't go again somewhere, well, sign him. I know Waldo doesn't agree, but this shuffling hurts the team - not just in the one left tackle spot, but in the two others that get shifted as well.

And besides, Colledge sucked at left tackle. Sorry, he did.

Like I said, IF the team stays healthy but finishes 7-9 or worse, I don't think it's a tough call to can MM and TT too. And if they go 10-6 and are in the playoffs, okay. That buys them a year.

But what if they go 8-8 and 7-9 with no big injuries, but they finish strong?

Then what?

Tough call.

If the Packers don't win a minimum of 9 games this season should TT be fired? That event would take care of MM as well. As it looks now we will be fortunate to win ten games. The condition of our OL and running game as it is at the present time being, most evidently our downfall. Whatever it takes we must see a big improvement in these areas. That determination falls on TT and our HC. Not just the O-line coach.

I also see problems with our secondary and an aging Al Harris.

GO PACKERS!

[retailguy]

You just wait until Justin Harrell the poster sees this article. He'll tell Mike Vandermause that he leads an unhappy life with so much hate built up inside!


[begin sarcasm]
I'm a much happier person since I grudgingly admitted that Ted's way is the right way.

This season is totally Rodgers fault - the offensive line is JUST FINE. Ted really has provided us with a consistently versatile group of guys, who are just punching bags for the real issue. [end sarcasm]

Love ya RG, but if JH posted this same thing about you the admin would be all over him. Our admin is not a neutral party.

JH said the very same thing to me two weeks ago in the 1st two pages of Nutz's excuse thread. I was just repeating it back and attributing the comments towards Mike V. instead of me, that's all..

Yeah, the admin warned me twice about posts, but did it privately. I haven't had a public rebuke yet. Not sure how he does things, but sometimes you just don't hold your tongue... Hopefully he understands, if not, then I'll be posting with 'borat' sooner than I'd like...

[Packers4Ever]

I think half of those sacks ARod held the ball too long, TT cutting Smith was baffling, maybe he was hard to coach? If M3 says he's going to be more committed to running the ball then do it! The offense is so predictable. There is no excuse for them to not be grooming new tackles by now. The more I look at this team I see the same problems from a year ago.

And the year before that, and the year before that, and.........

[pbmax]

I think half of those sacks ARod held the ball too long, TT cutting Smith was baffling, maybe he was hard to coach? If M3 says he's going to be more committed to running the ball then do it! The offense is so predictable. There is no excuse for them to not be grooming new tackles by now. The more I look at this team I see the same problems from a year ago.

And the year before that, and the year before that, and.........

Last year's offensive line performed relatively well. Those tackles were getting old and their pass blocking was not shut down like it used to be, but it was better than average. There was not fire drill going back there. Not until Moll had to fill in for Tauscher.

In case no one has noticed, the middle of the O line has developed into a strength. Even Wells took a step forward. Its just hard to notice now that our Left Guard is at Left Tackle. Thompson's approach works, but its become a matter of timing. There was no one ready to be Left Tackle if Clifton went down.

The Williams had a much easier time on the road versus the Rams than they did against the Packer interior at home. And this was a Rams offense that despite its offensive problems, was going up and down the field almost at will today.

[bobblehead]

You just wait until Justin Harrell the poster sees this article. He'll tell Mike Vandermause that he leads an unhappy life with so much hate built up inside!


[begin sarcasm]
I'm a much happier person since I grudgingly admitted that Ted's way is the right way.

This season is totally Rodgers fault - the offensive line is JUST FINE. Ted really has provided us with a consistently versatile group of guys, who are just punching bags for the real issue. [end sarcasm]

Love ya RG, but if JH posted this same thing about you the admin would be all over him. Our admin is not a neutral party.

JH said the very same thing to me two weeks ago in the 1st two pages of Nutz's excuse thread. I was just repeating it back and attributing the comments towards Mike V. instead of me, that's all..

Yeah, the admin warned me twice about posts, but did it privately. I haven't had a public rebuke yet. Not sure how he does things, but sometimes you just don't hold your tongue... Hopefully he understands, if not, then I'll be posting with 'borat' sooner than I'd like...

I read that thread too. I'm not defending JH, was merely thinking you should take the high ground. I've called out JH in the past too, even though I like his football posts he gets too into it and takes/makes it personal too often. I just think its best if we can not provoke him, then if he gets himself booted it completly on him.

[bobblehead]

I think half of those sacks ARod held the ball too long, TT cutting Smith was baffling, maybe he was hard to coach? If M3 says he's going to be more committed to running the ball then do it! The offense is so predictable. There is no excuse for them to not be grooming new tackles by now. The more I look at this team I see the same problems from a year ago.

And the year before that, and the year before that, and.........

Last year's offensive line performed relatively well. Those tackles were getting old and their pass blocking was not shut down like it used to be, but it was better than average. There was not fire drill going back there. Not until Moll had to fill in for Tauscher.

In case no one has noticed, the middle of the O line has developed into a strength. Even Wells took a step forward. Its just hard to notice now that our Left Guard is at Left Tackle. Thompson's approach works, but its become a matter of timing. There was no one ready to be Left Tackle if Clifton went down.

The Williams had a much easier time on the road versus the Rams than they did against the Packer interior at home. And this was a Rams offense that despite its offensive problems, was going up and down the field almost at will today.

Now I'll toot my own horn...I was begging and confident that we would draft an LT at 9 this year unless all 4 of the good ones were gone. Not sure how Oher is developing, but it would be nice to have him on the roster. Even nicer than having Raji around I'm thinking.

[superfan]

but if the team stays relatively healthy but finishes 9-7, even if they win their last three or four in a row - man, I don't know.

Guess I'll know more as the season progresses.

If GB finishes 8-8 or higher, I don't see either McCarthy or Thompson getting canned - after all, it will be at least a 2 game improvement in the win column over last year, and if Murphy wants to keep those guys and takes a lot of questions on the subject, he will certainly point to that as a reason to keep them.

I still like both McCarthy and Thompson for the most part. That said, if Tennessee continues to lose at this rate Fisher might not make it to 2010, and I would be very happy to dump McCarthy and hire him if he is available.

[falco]

I would be very happy to dump McCarthy and hire him if he is available.

I don't think TN lets him go though.