Best team ever!

[MichiganPackerFan]

There are different degrees of fandom:

Group 1: People who have a casual "it's just entertainment" approach and the Packers are a fun pastime to enjoy, but football takes a backseat to other, far more important things in life.

Group 2: People who view the Packer nation as almost a real nation. They represent your city and state against "them". This leads to a fierce nationalism of sorts, where the fandom is far more raucous, and probably less reasonable.

I probably fall under Group 2. Packers football is not just entertainment to me - it represents a large part of my life. I can never ever ever ever ever root for the Vikings unless it benefited the Packers (and even then I'd feel really weird about it). This is why I could never root for Brett Favre ever again and why I consider him a traitor (unless he tanked the Vikings season on purpose and told Childress he's a Packer for life).

It is the lack of understanding between these two groups that cause most of the misunderstandings in here.

I'm probably under #2 as well. I was a Packers fan as a young kid before Favre, I was during Favre, and I'm a packers fan post-Favre. I wish he wasn't in the division, but I can understand his struggle with deciding to quit his life's work before the age of 40. The Packers went with the future and upside, and Im glad to cheer for #12 on sundays.

[mmmdk]

I started thinking there was this special private school some went to in order to get their degree and job in deciding who is or is not a Packer fan and who is worthy. :P

Nope. Just have to ask me for my judgment call. And pro/anti- Favre has NOTHING to do with it!

You're right. There's no school for being a fan, take BF though, and you have got to take into the equation that he's another person too - not just a sports star.

At least 20% of all "great" leaders / public figures have psychopathically traits that helps them get what they want by hurting others. The Favre debacle is on a tiny, tiny scale compared to Stalin or W. - just stating the latter to emphasize this notion.

So be a fan but be objective and honest about it too.

[FavreChild]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

[ThunderDan]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Do we really want to start down this road again. There are dozens and dozens of threads you can look at about this.

[Bossman641]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Really? TT has ruined the Packers? Do half of you people that hate Thompson realize that it was primarily McCarthy's call to not let Favre come back?

[sharpe1027]

I think Favre may have a point. Green was great, but Peterson is out of this world. Jared Allen is very, very good and I think it's probably a toss-up between the GB line of 1996 and the Vikings line with the Williams and Allen. Winfield is gotta be better than either Evans or Newsome, but I don't think they have quality safeties, their LBs are solid and fast. Their OL is good. The receivers are good enough as Favre makes them better. Can't match up at TE.

He could be right when you think about it. Different NFL today so tough to compare the #1 rankings, especially when Favre is referring to the team around him being the most talented (thus not including himself, which was a huge reason for the #1 offense of 1996... hof in prime of career)

Two words that will sink them regardless: Brad Childress.

[ThunderDan]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Actually, I will address this.

I went to the UW when Don Morton was the coach. The UW sucked but I rooted for UW to win because I am a fan. I wanted Morton gone but I still loved UW so much that I wanted them to win every game or even 5 games even if it kept Morton's job.

Alvarez came in a wasn't great to start. It wasn't until his 3rd year that we won a conference game. I was rooting for him to win. Then we went to the Rose Bowl etc.

Now UW hired Bert Bielema. I can't stand him. But I am rooting for the UW to win every game even if that keeps Bert as our head coach for 10 years.

I am a UW Fan just like I am a Packer Fan.

And it doesn't matter who the GM or coach is I am rooting for a Packer win every week. During games where I have tickets my ass will be in them even if we are 1-7 at the time. Nothing will stop me being a Packer fan.

[FavreChild]

Really? TT has ruined the Packers? Do half of you people that hate Thompson realize that it was primarily McCarthy's call to not let Favre come back?

Funny, I don't recall mentioning Favre at all in my post.

That's the way I see it, like I said. Packer fans have always disagreed about various things - personnel, game day strategy, etc. But I have never seen, nor did I think I would ever see, Packer fans so ripped apart. And hostile. Thanks, but I'd rather hang out with Philly fans at this point. They're friendlier.

This happened under Ted's watch.

Not gonna argue about it. But a lot of fans see it my way. They just don't say it here, because we don't want to fight with and insult and belittle fellow Packer fans. To me, THAT'S what being a Packer fan is all about.

[hoosier]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

[FavreChild]

[ Nothing will stop me being a Packer fan.

Me neither.

Including the people who tell me I can't be a Packer fan anymore.

[ThunderDan]

[ Nothing will stop me being a Packer fan.

Me neither.

Including the people who tell me I can't be a Packer fan anymore.

According to your earlier post TT has.

[Bossman641]

Really? TT has ruined the Packers? Do half of you people that hate Thompson realize that it was primarily McCarthy's call to not let Favre come back?

Funny, I don't recall mentioning Favre at all in my post.

That's the way I see it, like I said. Packer fans have always disagreed about various things - personnel, game day strategy, etc. But I have never seen, nor did I think I would ever see, Packer fans so ripped apart. And hostile. Thanks, but I'd rather hang out with Philly fans at this point. They're friendlier.

This happened under Ted's watch.

Not gonna argue about it. But a lot of fans see it my way. They just don't say it here, because we don't want to fight with and insult and belittle fellow Packer fans. To me, THAT'S what being a Packer fan is all about.

So, you blame TT for the split that occurred between Packer fans, but want to pretend the hostility is not over Favre? I didn't know there were so many Packer fans so emotional about the decision not to keep Noah Herron in 2008.

[sharpe1027]

It seems pretty clear that Favre wanted out so he could play for Minnesota and that MM and TT knew it. Favre didn't like TT and maybe he didn't like MM either. Maybe he was justified. Either way, Favre admitted he couldn't commit 100% to the team, MM and TT told him they weren't 100% committed to him and that he'd have to compete (of course what player doesn't have to compete).

In any event, it is foolish to be continue to be so pissed off at either side when the they both were sick of each other and wanted to move on. Smart decision both ways.

One side might look more or less right to different people, but it still was a mutual parting. Nothing to see here folks. Moving on...

[Pugger]

It seems pretty clear that Favre wanted out so he could play for Minnesota and that MM and TT knew it. Favre didn't like TT and maybe he didn't like MM either. Maybe he was justified. Either way, Favre admitted he couldn't commit 100% to the team, MM and TT told him they weren't 100% committed to him and that he'd have to compete (of course what player doesn't have to compete).

In any event, it is foolish to be continue to be so pissed off at either side when the they both were sick of each other and wanted to move on. Smart decision both ways.

One side might look more or less right to different people, but it still was a mutual parting. Nothing to see here folks. Moving on...

+1

I believe it was more MM than TT in the BF saga. If BF wasn't 100% committed to GB would we really want him in there? It is clearly evident that Favre has wanted to go to MN for a while now. I'm sure he got real pissed at management when they wouldn't give him his unconditional release after he 'retired' and that was the driving force behind BF going on Fox and airing dirty laundry. You may be right, both parties have had enough. Mortensen of BSPN even hinted that Packers' management wanted to take control of the franchise after Favre retired.

[swede]

...Favre retired...

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