Best team ever!

[Lurker64]

Re: Best team ever!

While I was working out today, ESPN was showing tape of Brett saying that his current team is the best team he has ever played on. This is very debateable but I think the 96-97 team was his best but .......

Yeah, I would say that the 96 Packers had a better defense than the current Vikings, and a better passing game. The Vikes have the edge in the running game, but that defense for the superbowl team was world-class. The Vikings defense this year has already given up 20 or more points as many times as the 96 Packers defense did all year.

[Deputy Nutz]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Really? TT has ruined the Packers? Do half of you people that hate Thompson realize that it was primarily McCarthy's call to not let Favre come back?

Learn how to read. She said he hasn't ruined the Packers, just Packer Nation. I agree with you, it was mostly McCarthy's call, but they both hated Favre because he was successful and they want their names in the bright lights.

[Deputy Nutz]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Funny how all of you TT backers want to know about my past as a Packer fan. Goofy bastards. I was a Packer fan in the late 1980s can't remember much before that.

[hoosier]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Funny how all of you TT backers want to know about my past as a Packer fan. Goofy bastards. I was a Packer fan in the late 1980s can't remember much before that.

I guess you are the exception then. But we already knew that.

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Re: Best team ever!

While I was working out today, ESPN was showing tape of Brett saying that his current team is the best team he has ever played on. This is very debateable but I think the 96-97 team was his best but .......

Yeah, I would say that the 96 Packers had a better defense than the current Vikings, and a better passing game. The Vikes have the edge in the running game, but that defense for the superbowl team was world-class. The Vikings defense this year has already given up 20 or more points as many times as the 96 Packers defense did all year.

Better defense, maybe a little better, but it's not like the Vikings are bad on D. There DL may not be as good but it's gotta be pretty close. KWill is a unique, special type of talent. Maybe not White good but a notch below, and Allen is probably better than Jones. I suspect they'll be near the top when all is said and done if they stay healthy.

O you kind of have to throw out the window because Favre is referring to his teammates, not himself. Thus, it's tough to compare a 1996 Favre in his physical prime leading a dynamic passing attack to the 40 year old one leading a slightly less dynamic passing attack because the QB plays such an integral role in the equation.

That said, the Vikes might be the better team because their running game is just so much better than the Pack's was. You can't really look at points, yardage etc as the Vikes are a field position, pound the ball and play good defense team, where as the 1996 pack were slinging the ball.

[retailguy]

I've been a Packer fan since, well, forever. I remember Dan Devine as a coach. Most of my early memories come from Bart Starr being coach.

Been a fan since before Ted was a player, and will be a fan long after he is canned.

I really am not a fan of either McCarthy or Thompson, but don't hate them for getting rid of Favre. I had tired of "will he, won't he", long before he "retired".

McCarthy is "just a guy", Sherman was a better coach. But he's good at taking orders and parroting the company line, so he'll be here barring a total meltdown.

Thompson, I'm not a fan. Has great ability to find talent, but the other areas of the job, he is just average. Maybe. Communication skills are simply awful. Almost embarrassing. When he's let go, and he will be (but not for a few years), we will miss his evaluation skills, but appreciate the next guy (if he can communicate).

I'll be a packer fan long after these guys are gone. I was a Packer fan long before they were here.

[Rastak]

Re: Best team ever!

While I was working out today, ESPN was showing tape of Brett saying that his current team is the best team he has ever played on. This is very debateable but I think the 96-97 team was his best but .......

Yeah, I would say that the 96 Packers had a better defense than the current Vikings, and a better passing game. The Vikes have the edge in the running game, but that defense for the superbowl team was world-class. The Vikings defense this year has already given up 20 or more points as many times as the 96 Packers defense did all year.

I would say that's fair. Hell, the season isn't even half over, how can we really make any comparisons? Too much football to be played. Too much story to be written.

[b bulldog]

Reggie is better than Allen
Jones is better than Edwards
Williams is better than Dotson
Williams and Brown are a TIE,

Henderson is better than Koonce /Cox
Simmons is better than Greenway
BWilliams is better than Lieber,
Winfield better than CNew
Evans better than Griffin
Butler and Robinson are both better than Vikings S's,

K's are even
P's are even
Howard better than Vikings return game,
Freeman, Brooks, Rison better than top 3 Vikings wr's
Chewey, Jackson better than Shianco
Peterson better than Bennett
Levens better than Vikings FB,

Winters the better C
Timmermen and Taylor a draw with Hutchuinson and other G
T's are a draw also

[ThunderDan]

Reggie is better than Allen
Jones is better than Edwards
Williams is better than Dotson
Williams and Brown are a TIE,

Henderson is better than Koonce /Cox
Simmons is better than Greenway
BWilliams is better than Lieber,
Winfield better than CNew
Evans better than Griffin
Butler and Robinson are both better than Vikings S's,

K's are even
P's are even
Howard better than Vikings return game,
Freeman, Brooks, Rison better than top 3 Vikings wr's
Chewey, Jackson better than Shianco
Peterson better than Bennett
Levens better than Vikings FB,

Winters the better C
Timmermen and Taylor a draw with Hutchuinson and other G
T's are a draw also

That's a pretty good list.

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Reggie is better than Allen
Jones is better than Edwards
Williams is better than Dotson
Williams and Brown are a TIE,

Henderson is better than Koonce /Cox
Simmons is better than Greenway
BWilliams is better than Lieber,
Winfield better than CNew
Evans better than Griffin
Butler and Robinson are both better than Vikings S's,

K's are even
P's are even
Howard better than Vikings return game,
Freeman, Brooks, Rison better than top 3 Vikings wr's
Chewey, Jackson better than Shianco
Peterson better than Bennett
Levens better than Vikings FB,

Winters the better C
Timmermen and Taylor a draw with Hutchuinson and other G
T's are a draw also

That's a pretty good list.

Yeah, it's a fair list and when looking at it on paper. I think the two matching up would be a really good game with 96 Pack winning largely due to the TEs.

Pack DE's can't tee off because they have to respect Adrian on 1st and 2nd, and then the screen to Harvin and Taylor on third down.

Defensively I think the Vikes could cause the 96 Pack some problems as I think they'd still be able to get a decent pass rush against the OL and certainly stop the run. I think their TE's would carve up the vikes safeties, though.

[b bulldog]

Reggie and Co shut down Sanders, they could do the same to AP.

[b bulldog]

One more thing, the 96 team is head and shoulders better than our current team, WHILE OUR CURRENT TEAM ONLY LOST BY 7 TO THESE VIKINGS.

[Rastak]

One more thing, the 96 team is head and shoulders better than our current team, WHILE OUR CURRENT TEAM ONLY LOST BY 7 TO THESE VIKINGS.

Who were up big and let the foot off the gas.

[retailguy]

One more thing, the 96 team is head and shoulders better than our current team, WHILE OUR CURRENT TEAM ONLY LOST BY 7 TO THESE VIKINGS.

Who were up big and let the foot off the gas.

yup.

we got competitive in garbage time. It wasn't as close as 7 pts.

But it would've been, except for two things, the OL & the DL. No pass rush by the DL and no protection by the OL.... neither of which is likely to change before the next meeting.

[Partial]

Reggie and Co shut down Sanders, they could do the same to AP.

Right, but then they're going to get burned by Favre like we did. They can't go after him full speed or they'll get burned with the screen as both Harvin and Taylor are very good at it. I guess they could send 4 and try there luck.

The vikes are good. They don't have many holes.