Best team ever!

[Pugger]

Best Team Ever?

1962 Packers -- 13 and 1, NFL Champs

OFFENSE

Bart Starr
Paul Hornung
Jim Taylor
Boyd Dowler
Max McGee
Ron Kramer
Bob Skoronski
Fuzzy Thurston
Jim Ringo
Jerry Kramer
Forrest Gregg

DEFENSE

Willie Davis
Dave Hanner
Henry Jordan
Bill Quinlan
Dan Currie
Ray Nitschke
Bill Forester
Herb Adderley
Jesse Whittenton
Hank Greminger
Willie Wood

K - Jerry Kramer
P - Boyd Dowler
PR - Willie Wood
KR - Herb Adderley

EAT YOUR HEART OUT, FAVRE!!

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[SnakeLH2006]

Re: Best team ever!

While I was working out today, ESPN was showing tape of Brett saying that his current team is the best team he has ever played on. This is very debateable but I think the 96-97 team was his best but .......

AHAHHAAHHAAA.....Yeah, my buddy told me about that quote. Didn't Brett say that his 2008 Jets were the "most talented" team he's played on too? Just classics from Brettie. It really paid off as his top guys said how much of a bitch he was too after the season, no? I like Brett the player, but goddamn if you can take a word he says nowadays seriously. Nixon anyone? Damn.

[MOBB DEEP]

That said, I'm very tired of all the "YOU'RE NOT A FAN UNLESS YOU..." talk. Shut up. Being a fan of something means you enjoy something. Who are you to tell anyone else what brings them joy or how to experience it?

I started thinking there was this special private school some went to in order to get their degree and job in deciding who is or is not a Packer fan and who is worthy. :P

HILARIOUS double 0

And spot-on Partial

[MOBB DEEP]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Packer fan since late 70's. Die-hard well before Favre got here. FC speaks the truth about the rift TT and his poor communication skills have caused.Most folks up here in da nortwoods will not shed any tears when he is shown the door. Then the healing of Packer Nation can finally begin.

Now, this is interesting. Gex and I agree on alot when it comes to the "division" in the Nation (GREAT points, btw, FC). Yet Gex and I differ in how we became diehards. I came on board strictly because of Favre and Sharpe. Before then I was idolizing Sweetness. Yet when I fell for the pack I fell hard! I ate, slept, and drank the G&G like nobody's business; depressed for days after losses

So I agree with you Hossier and appreciate your understanding; it DOES feel like something fundamental is missing and I wish it wern't so. We fans have NO control over these moves so who else we gonna blame other than GMs? Im not walking around bashing TT like SO many bash Bert, Ive just identified the source of my angst as I continually ask "what if...."

Im certainly in to the whole nostalgia phenomenon (i even miss the era of banter about Sherman, etc at JSO) so the Nation carrying on sans a 2009-PRO-BOWL-MAKING #4 intially hurt to the core. Life goes on but Dayum...!!!

[bobblehead]

Did Miami fans go through this when Jimmy Johnson basically forced Marino into retirement.

I wonder what the San Fran fans were like when Young took over for Montana.

Chicago fans are too dumb to have been offended when tubby got the rock at the one in the superbowl thus disrespecting one of the all time greats the game will ever see.

[woodbuck27]

Just when you think you've run out of reasons to despise Bert he comes through.

What a complete douchebag.

and a winner. Over the past three seasons to date:

27 W - 12 L (** including 14W - 7L since being a Packer).

The Packers since Favre @ 8 W - 12 L. Painful.

[woodbuck27]

I havn't seen the video including this quote fr. Favre yet, but it would be 'in fact' my opinion a tad early to make such a statement. It might be Rah Rah stuff if 'in fact' it's true.

The Vikings need to improve their pass defense.

[woodbuck27]

These are the facts Re: wins and zero loss's seasons and 'Favre' and 'the Vikings':

Favre has made the Vikings' decision to place their short-term success in his hands a good one, as he is off to the best start of his career in terms of wins.

He had twice before gone 4-0, doing so in 1998 and 2007 with Green Bay, and both of those seasons resulted in playoff appearances.

One day after his 40th birthday, Favre threw for 232 yards with a touchdown pass in last Sunday's 38-10 victory over St. Louis. In winning their sixth straight game dating back to last season, the Vikings remained up on second- place Chicago in the NFC North. The Bears are 3-1.

Minnesota hasn't won seven games in a row since it began 2000 by going 7-0.

[gex]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Packer fan since late 70's. Die-hard well before Favre got here. FC speaks the truth about the rift TT and his poor communication skills have caused.Most folks up here in da nortwoods will not shed any tears when he is shown the door. Then the healing of Packer Nation can finally begin.

Now, this is interesting. Gex and I agree on alot when it comes to the "division" in the Nation (GREAT points, btw, FC). Yet Gex and I differ in how we became diehards. I came on board strictly because of Favre and Sharpe. Before then I was idolizing Sweetness. Yet when I fell for the pack I fell hard! I ate, slept, and drank the G&G like nobody's business; depressed for days after losses

So I agree with you Hossier and appreciate your understanding; it DOES feel like something fundamental is missing and I wish it wern't so. We fans have NO control over these moves so who else we gonna blame other than GMs? Im not walking around bashing TT like SO many bash Bert, Ive just identified the source of my angst as I continually ask "what if...."

Im certainly in to the whole nostalgia phenomenon (i even miss the era of banter about Sherman, etc at JSO) so the Nation carrying on sans a 2009-PRO-BOWL-MAKING #4 intially hurt to the core. Life goes on but Dayum...!!!

I dont see what the big deal is anyways, its not like THIS is the year the Pack is going all the way. TT prolly wants to tank 2-3 more years and get those high draft picks and THEN make a run for the Super Bowl. Let the old man get another ring and ride off into the sunset. We can always tell the Minny fans that they needed our HOF to get them their 1st Lombardi trophy!

[gex]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Packer fan since late 70's. Die-hard well before Favre got here. FC speaks the truth about the rift TT and his poor communication skills have caused.Most folks up here in da nortwoods will not shed any tears when he is shown the door. Then the healing of Packer Nation can finally begin.

Now, this is interesting. Gex and I agree on alot when it comes to the "division" in the Nation (GREAT points, btw, FC). Yet Gex and I differ in how we became diehards. I came on board strictly because of Favre and Sharpe. Before then I was idolizing Sweetness. Yet when I fell for the pack I fell hard! I ate, slept, and drank the G&G like nobody's business; depressed for days after losses

So I agree with you Hossier and appreciate your understanding; it DOES feel like something fundamental is missing and I wish it wern't so. We fans have NO control over these moves so who else we gonna blame other than GMs? Im not walking around bashing TT like SO many bash Bert, Ive just identified the source of my angst as I continually ask "what if...."

Im certainly in to the whole nostalgia phenomenon (i even miss the era of banter about Sherman, etc at JSO) so the Nation carrying on sans a 2009-PRO-BOWL-MAKING #4 intially hurt to the core. Life goes on but Dayum...!!!

I dont see what the big deal is anyways, its not like THIS is the year the Pack is going all the way. TT prolly wants to tank 2-3 more years and get those high draft picks and THEN make a run for the Super Bowl. Let the old man get another ring and ride off into the sunset. We can always tell the Minny fans that they needed our HOF to get them their 1st Lombardi trophy!

[gex]

Then people should "be objective" about TT, too.

This is what TT has done - totally divided this "Packer Nation" that TH87 speaks about.

There are no "two groups" anymore. I was a member of group 2, and not anymore. How does that happen suddenly? I don't even believe in this "group 2" idea anymore. I never thought there would be a day when I didn't support the Packers 100%, but that happened. And I will not be able to support the organization fully until Thompson is gone.

I agree with everything Nutz has posted in the recent weeks. And I'm not the only one. I just don't see the point in debating it with people who won't change their mind, just like I won't change mine.

The way I see it, Ted Thompson hasn't ruined the Packers. He has ruined Packer Nation.

Of all the posters who feel that TT wrecked Packer Nation, I wonder how many were Packer fans before the Favre era. My guess is that most if not all became fans after 1993 and, in large part, because of Favre. Whereas those of us who followed the Packers in the long decades BF (Before Favre) have other experiences and memories to draw on, and probably have an easier time envisioning the Packers without Brett.

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. If you are of a generation that has only known the Packers with Favre as their icon, I can kind of understand why it would seem that something fundamental is now missing, and it would be harder to understand why TT or McCarthy would have taken the direction they did.

Packer fan since late 70's. Die-hard well before Favre got here. FC speaks the truth about the rift TT and his poor communication skills have caused.Most folks up here in da nortwoods will not shed any tears when he is shown the door. Then the healing of Packer Nation can finally begin.

Now, this is interesting. Gex and I agree on alot when it comes to the "division" in the Nation (GREAT points, btw, FC). Yet Gex and I differ in how we became diehards. I came on board strictly because of Favre and Sharpe. Before then I was idolizing Sweetness. Yet when I fell for the pack I fell hard! I ate, slept, and drank the G&G like nobody's business; depressed for days after losses

So I agree with you Hossier and appreciate your understanding; it DOES feel like something fundamental is missing and I wish it wern't so. We fans have NO control over these moves so who else we gonna blame other than GMs? Im not walking around bashing TT like SO many bash Bert, Ive just identified the source of my angst as I continually ask "what if...."

Im certainly in to the whole nostalgia phenomenon (i even miss the era of banter about Sherman, etc at JSO) so the Nation carrying on sans a 2009-PRO-BOWL-MAKING #4 intially hurt to the core. Life goes on but Dayum...!!!

I dont see what the big deal is anyways, its not like THIS is the year the Pack is going all the way. TT prolly wants to tank 2-3 more years and get those high draft picks and THEN make a run for the Super Bowl. Let the old man get another ring and ride off into the sunset. We can always tell the Minny fans that they needed our HOF to get them their 1st Lombardi trophy!

oops dp

[Deputy Nutz]

Did Miami fans go through this when Jimmy Johnson basically forced Marino into retirement.

I wonder what the San Fran fans were like when Young took over for Montana.

Chicago fans are too dumb to have been offended when tubby got the rock at the one in the superbowl thus disrespecting one of the all time greats the game will ever see.

I thought that was Dave Wanstedt or Mr. Mustache.

[3irty1]

We're already comparing the 09 Queens to the 96 pack?! I think its more likely that they've played some of the worst teams fielded in recent history rather than that they are one of the best. I mean the Browns brought the fire sale to the NFL. After week 4. The Lions are a few months removed for being the first team in history to lose every game, and the Rams are simply awful. The Packers have limped out of the gate and right now beating them is no huge feat. Plus anything can happen in a division game. Their best win was probably the 49ers who are a middle of the road team that they beat by a miracle.

We'll have an idea of how good they are this week. Right now I have no reason not to believe that the 96 Packers would destroy them in every aspect of the game.

[b bulldog]

Well Vikings fans, change your mind yet??? The best thing about the 09 Vikings is how predictable their collapse was What a pathetic organization, the NFL's ultimate fraud!!!!!

[cheesner]

Well Vikings fans, change your mind yet??? The best thing about the 09 Vikings is how predictable their collapse was What a pathetic organization, the NFL's ultimate fraud!!!!!

A little harsh?

Although I also predicted a Viking collapse, they still remain a team with a lot of dangerous weapons. I do want to play them again, because I think we can beat them, whether they are at their best or not.