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[Tony Oday]

Lets get it on record so we can see if he knows this better than out of shape internet posters


What I think he did right:
AJ HAWK STUD!!! picked up Hodge and used two high picks on the oline. Resigned Barry, backfired because of injury. Signed Taylor, Pickett and Manuel. Nice VET talent on the defense to go with our developing and current talent. Resign/sign three WR that basically have to play with a chip on their shoulders if they want to play in the NFL. Paying DD and Kamp. Resigning Green and Davenpoop to one year contracts.

I love the move to a defensive team because all the flash in the season is gone once the defenses come to play in the playoffs!


What I think he did wrong: Woodson. I like having woodson dont get me wrong but we could have had Ty Law for much cheaper and in my mind he was the safer guy. Vinetari(sp?) SHOULD HAVE SHOWED HIM THE MONEY! Faine for a fourth rounder? sounded like a steal to me. Wanted to get a WR vet and a guard.

[woodbuck27]

For the most part you Tony and I are almost identically aligned.

The way that T2 trades down in the draft, made Jeff Faine a no brainer, if in fact he could have been had for a fourth.

I agree that after not acquiring any experience for OUR OL before the draft, T2 had to select on the OL as a high priority. So we got Colledge and Spitz that will develop - we trust in about three years.

Yet, what of this season and next ? Jeff Faine had to be OUR's, as an intelligent, a prudent must.

The move to bring in Charles Woodson will kick T2 in the ass, as I see it. I hope I'm mistaken there, but T2 panicked and suddenly made some deal for ' that name player ', that he always said he'd avoid, and he should have waited to at least get Charles Woodson at a better $ cost to us.

It's difficult to say if Ty Law would have entertained T2 in being a Packer, as OUR fortunes don't fit Ty Law's time table. Ty Law stated clearly, at the beginning of Free Agency, that he wanted to play for a Super Bowl contender - to get another ring before retiring.

Charles Woodson may have 'in fact' been the most realistic fit then.

I really like what T2 did in the draft and in acquiring Ben Taylor - regarding the upgrade I see in OUR Linebacker position.

I wanted a legitimate #1 - #2 WR as well. A lock to perform as a starting WR. All I see is again, this time this year, Donald Driver as we had a disgruntled Javon Walker entering TC last year. We may be OK at WR, if the WR's can just run the proper routes and fight for the dam ball - protect the ball - if out of position to make the reception.

I ask anyone. Why did T2 ignore OUR team in a general sense on Offence. WHY ?

A decent offence will protect the "D" from wearing down. We don't have all that much depth, to have OUR "D" maintain it (adversity) on the field more than the "O". We have to win "the battle of the clock", and that means we have to run the ball and not be forced to the pass, on so many 3rd and longs.

That all hinges on the effectiveness of OUR OL which is in worse shape, certainly experience wise, than it was at this time in 2005.

Why did T2 ignore OUR team on offence except to fill need not real need?

[BallHawk]

Yeah, Ty Law cared more about the team, Woodson was more the money. And by no means do I blame him for it. But I believe that if Woodson would of gone to Tampa, we would of been much more unstable in the secondary, right now.

[Bossman641]

How many holes do you expect TT to fill in one offseason?

For the past couple of years we have been a one-sided team. The offense was terrific while the defense seemed to never improve.

TT is turning the tide the other way. It appeasrs as though he is molding the team into a cold-weather, defensive-oriented team. This offseason the focus was on making over the DB's, LB's, and filling in the guard spots. Next offseason I figure there will be some major additions to the DL, RB, and WR positions.

The one huge gamble he is taking is on the RB's. I would have liked to see him either pick someone up in the draft or FA.

[Fosco33]

The only time I've complained about Ted is before last season (January 04) when he didn't bid to keep our pro-bowl line together.

It definitely hurt the running game last year and forced Favre to throw early (thus increasing INTs) b/c he's so focused on staying healthy (rightly so!).

I've always said, it's hard to know why decisions are made (whether in gov't, business) unless you're the guy with the info. It's easy to complain - harder to make tough decisions.

[Partial]

How many holes do you expect TT to fill in one offseason?

For the past couple of years we have been a one-sided team. The offense was terrific while the defense seemed to never improve.

TT is turning the tide the other way. It appeasrs as though he is molding the team into a cold-weather, defensive-oriented team. This offseason the focus was on making over the DB's, LB's, and filling in the guard spots. Next offseason I figure there will be some major additions to the DL, RB, and WR positions.

The one huge gamble he is taking is on the RB's. I would have liked to see him either pick someone up in the draft or FA.

It seems to me the way he built this team is for the end of the season this year. For starters, he is banking on a lot of rooks. Naturally, they'll be up to speed much better by the end of the season. Furthermore, he is clearly building the defense like you said. In doing so, it is going to be very, very tough to win in the cold against a good defense (notice the two teams everyone talked about at the end of the year as tough to beat were chicago and pittsburg - cold weather, smashmouth style teams). Restoring the lambeau mistique in december would be amazing.

They are going to have a very tough week 5-11. Very, very tough. In weeks 12-17 though, they should go 4-1, and definitely win every home game. The last game of the season is chicago is going to be tough.

[Tony Oday]

Oh I forgot I wanted him to take Stoval! He is the guy that I think would LOVE to be catching balls from Favre.

[RashanGary]

I've always said, it's hard to know why decisions are made (whether in gov't, business) unless you're the guy with the info. It's easy to complain - harder to make tough decisions.

BINGO!!

I know I do it too, but as I get older and wiser I like to think I do less and less.

[Noodle]

Except for the Aints in week 2 and the bye in week 6 I think weeks 1-11 are going to be brutal.

Not making a run at Faine was a big mistake. Why TT thinks we're going to be fine with two new guards and a relatively new center is beyond me.

I also think TT has blown some personnel matters -- Walker (should have come in with love sooner), Bates (should have come in with love sooner), and Harris (should have come in with love sooner).

I've said before that TT will ultimately be judged on M3. But I'm sure M3 wishes the boss would give him a few more bullets.

[woodbuck27]

How many holes do you expect TT to fill in one offseason?

For the past couple of years we have been a one-sided team. The offense was terrific while the defense seemed to never improve.

TT is turning the tide the other way. It appeasrs as though he is molding the team into a cold-weather, defensive-oriented team. This offseason the focus was on making over the DB's, LB's, and filling in the guard spots. Next offseason I figure there will be some major additions to the DL, RB, and WR positions.

The one huge gamble he is taking is on the RB's. I would have liked to see him either pick someone up in the draft or FA.

Bossman641.

I certainly believe that T2 did alot to improve OUR "D". I have little complaint there, except what it cost us to acquire Charles Woodson and given his attitude and injury history - we paid a high price for his services.

Obviously T2 is re-building OUR "D" as a first priority. The fact remains that we need a balanced attack - more on Offence, or the "D' gets worn out by mid-season.

Too many cookies in that one jar.

[woodbuck27]

The only time I've complained about Ted is before last season (January 04) when he didn't bid to keep our pro-bowl line together.

It definitely hurt the running game last year and forced Favre to throw early (thus increasing INTs) b/c he's so focused on staying healthy (rightly so!).

I've always said, it's hard to know why decisions are made (whether in gov't, business) unless you're the guy with the info. It's easy to complain - harder to make tough decisions.

That is very fair Fosco33.

I'm not the tough ass, hard on T2 Packer fan - that maybe I sometimes come across as being.

I believe, that this is really the season of assessment for T2, and we will really experience a ton of change come next season. Thus all the one year contracts we saw signed at the beginning of Free Agency.

I'm more of a transition approach kinda guy - that doesn't believe you necessarily have to tear the house down to re-build it. In that sense I offer not a cynical, rather a conservative alternative and viewpoint.

A Progressive Conservative alternative.

[woodbuck27]

Oh I forgot I wanted him to take Stoval! He is the guy that I think would LOVE to be catching balls from Favre.

Maurice Stovall. Position: WR
Height: 6-4 Weight: 229 Born: 02/21/1985
College: Notre Dame NFL Experience: Rookie

I too believe, he'll do well for the Buc's.

Great size and has a way of getting to and catching the tough pass. They are looking for him to be their slot receiver, according to the stuff i'm reading out of the Buc's camp.

[woodbuck27]

I've always said, it's hard to know why decisions are made (whether in gov't, business) unless you're the guy with the info. It's easy to complain - harder to make tough decisions.

BINGO!!

I know I do it too, but as I get older and wiser I like to think I do less and less.

Ala Muhammed Ali:

"The older I get the more I understand that I don't understand."

[Lare]

I really don't have any complaints as to the moves TT did make (other than I think Woodson is a real gamble), but moreso the moves he didn't make.

He went into the offseason with around $35 million in salary cap space, spent 1/3 of it on Woodson and signed Taylor, Pickett and Manuel. We now sit around $10 million in salary cap space left (some of which will be used on signing the remaining rookies) and still have major holes on the offense at RB, WR, OL and backup TE,FB and maybe even QB. We also have question marks at K, P, PR and KR.

I guess I just don't understand why with all that money he didn't do more to improve the team. But ultimately he'll live and die by the decisions he's making. If we don't see significant improvement in another year or so, TT will be looking for a new job. And he won't have anybody to blame but himself.

[Fosco33]

I really don't have any complaints as to the moves TT did make (other than I think Woodson is a real gamble), but moreso the moves he didn't make.

He went into the offseason with around $35 million in salary cap space, spent 1/3 of it on Woodson and signed Taylor, Pickett and Manuel. We now sit around $10 million in salary cap space left (some of which will be used on signing the remaining rookies) and still have major holes on the offense at RB, WR, OL and backup TE,FB and maybe even QB. We also have question marks at K, P, PR and KR.

I guess I just don't understand why with all that money he didn't do more to improve the team. But ultimately he'll live and die by the decisions he's making. If we don't see significant improvement in another year or so, TT will be looking for a new job. And he won't have anybody to blame but himself.

Welcome to PR, Lare.

I think you're right - he could've made more plays in FA but it was relatively weak this year, and he's a believer in getting more bodies cheaper through the draft.

But you're right, he'll live/die by his style of decision making.