Steven Jackson Trade?

[Zool]

Martin not Mason.

[retailguy]

Martin not Mason.

guy is so damn good, I don't even know his name..

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not to mention moll is now the starting right tackle for the ravens

I think it might just be that our OL coaches are horrible. Perhaps it would be wise to can the entire O staff outside of MM after this season, too, because they basically suck in my opinion. Campen and Philbin? Neither seem qualified.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

not to mention moll is now the starting right tackle for the ravens

Mmm, if Moll and Meredith are starting...and playing well, that may spell the end for Philbin quicker than anything else. Not recognizing potential starters that are on your roster is inexcusable.

We saw enough of Moll to know that ain't gonna happen.

[pbmax]

The bottom of the roster is T2's preserve. Philbin and Campen don't get to pick the last two O line players. They get to give a report on whether they can play this year. Same with Perry and the safeties.

[HarveyWallbangers]

How could anybody be that upset over the whole Martin, Moll, Smith thing?
All three players had been in the league for three years. All three started some games. They were mostly adequate with limited upside. Moll was on the cutline. Martin was on the cutline. Smith wasn't even offered a low money tender by the Steelers. They basically cut him. He made plays in the preseason, but I saw him give up as many as he got. Martin looks pretty ordinary, but many thought he was a solid backup in Baltimore. Moll is what he is. Not a bad backup, but not somebody you want starting a lot. Tauscher may have always been the fallback plan--since the Thompson always refused to write off his return.

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since the Thompson always refused to write off his return.

I like "the Thompson" for a nickname.

The Thompson watches practice. The Thompson worked out Ahmen Green. The Thompson took a duke in his car. The Thompson drives a Carolla.

It flows nicely.

[MadScientist]

The bottom of the roster is T2's preserve. Philbin and Campen don't get to pick the last two O line players. They get to give a report on whether they can play this year. Same with Perry and the safeties.

They must have said that Meridith couldn't play this year because he was too raw. Since Buffalo is proving that he can play, their report really means that they weren't capable of coaching well enough to get him ready to play. The results of the rest of the line are proving that fact out all too well. The Packers may not have the greatest OL talent, but these coaches would find a way to make the mid 90's Dallas line suck.

[retailguy]

How could anybody be that upset over the whole Martin, Moll, Smith thing?
All three players had been in the league for three years. All three started some games. They were mostly adequate with limited upside. Moll was on the cutline. Martin was on the cutline. Smith wasn't even offered a low money tender by the Steelers. They basically cut him. He made plays in the preseason, but I saw him give up as many as he got. Martin looks pretty ordinary, but many thought he was a solid backup in Baltimore. Moll is what he is. Not a bad backup, but not somebody you want starting a lot. Tauscher may have always been the fallback plan--since the Thompson always refused to write off his return.

In my case it's simple. I think, and thought at the time, that we needed a lineman with experience rather than a safety with potential. Trading Moll depleted the backup ranks at tackle, and left us only unproven depth. The difference between Martin and Smith is negligble at best, and quite honestly, Smith might turn out to be the better player.

The depth was better served on the OL. Otherwise none of the three players are worth getting too excited about.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The bottom of the roster is T2's preserve. Philbin and Campen don't get to pick the last two O line players. They get to give a report on whether they can play this year. Same with Perry and the safeties.

They must have said that Meridith couldn't play this year because he was too raw. Since Buffalo is proving that he can play, their report really means that they weren't capable of coaching well enough to get him ready to play. The results of the rest of the line are proving that fact out all too well. The Packers may not have the greatest OL talent, but these coaches would find a way to make the mid 90's Dallas line suck.

the pack wanted him at LT, he is playing RT.

Are we really going to 2nd guess our staff when he was on our practice squad and he is now the 4th RT to play for the Bills.

[denverYooper]

since the Thompson always refused to write off his return.

I like "the Thompson" for a nickname.

The Thompson watches practice. The Thompson worked out Ahmen Green. The Thompson took a duke in his car. The Thompson drives a Carolla.

It flows nicely.

Nice.

Doin' the bull dance. Feeling the flow. Workin' it. Workin' it...

[MadScientist]

The bottom of the roster is T2's preserve. Philbin and Campen don't get to pick the last two O line players. They get to give a report on whether they can play this year. Same with Perry and the safeties.

They must have said that Meridith couldn't play this year because he was too raw. Since Buffalo is proving that he can play, their report really means that they weren't capable of coaching well enough to get him ready to play. The results of the rest of the line are proving that fact out all too well. The Packers may not have the greatest OL talent, but these coaches would find a way to make the mid 90's Dallas line suck.

the pack wanted him at LT, he is playing RT.

Are we really going to 2nd guess our staff when he was on our practice squad and he is now the 4th RT to play for the Bills.

Right, since there have been no problems at RT.

The fact remains that Buffalo took a guy that the Packers didn't think could play this year, gave him a month of coaching and made him a starter. It's early to see how this will play out, but early reports are that he is an improvement over their previous starter. Moll will be an even more significant case because he's had a couple of years to learn in Green Bay with poor results. If he gets blown-up on a regular basis, then it's him. If he holds his own, then it's the Packer coaches who suck.

[Zool]

Granted he'd be the 4th guy they've started at RT this year?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The bottom of the roster is T2's preserve. Philbin and Campen don't get to pick the last two O line players. They get to give a report on whether they can play this year. Same with Perry and the safeties.

They must have said that Meridith couldn't play this year because he was too raw. Since Buffalo is proving that he can play, their report really means that they weren't capable of coaching well enough to get him ready to play. The results of the rest of the line are proving that fact out all too well. The Packers may not have the greatest OL talent, but these coaches would find a way to make the mid 90's Dallas line suck.

the pack wanted him at LT, he is playing RT.

Are we really going to 2nd guess our staff when he was on our practice squad and he is now the 4th RT to play for the Bills.

Right, since there have been no problems at RT.

The fact remains that Buffalo took a guy that the Packers didn't think could play this year, gave him a month of coaching and made him a starter. It's early to see how this will play out, but early reports are that he is an improvement over their previous starter. Moll will be an even more significant case because he's had a couple of years to learn in Green Bay with poor results. If he gets blown-up on a regular basis, then it's him. If he holds his own, then it's the Packer coaches who suck.

Barbre has improved. We now have Tausch, which i think was part of the plan from the beginning.

Play this year? Big assumption. How do you know what the staff was thinking?

Buff: Which starter is he better than..they went thru 3.

Moll: Because he is starting doesn't make him good. Will Whitticker started for us, and he sucked.

[MadScientist]

the pack wanted him at LT, he is playing RT.

Are we really going to 2nd guess our staff when he was on our practice squad and he is now the 4th RT to play for the Bills.

Right, since there have been no problems at RT.

The fact remains that Buffalo took a guy that the Packers didn't think could play this year, gave him a month of coaching and made him a starter. It's early to see how this will play out, but early reports are that he is an improvement over their previous starter. Moll will be an even more significant case because he's had a couple of years to learn in Green Bay with poor results. If he gets blown-up on a regular basis, then it's him. If he holds his own, then it's the Packer coaches who suck.

Barbre has improved. We now have Tausch, which i think was part of the plan from the beginning.

Play this year? Big assumption. How do you know what the staff was thinking?

Buff: Which starter is he better than..they went thru 3.

Moll: Because he is starting doesn't make him good. Will Whitticker started for us, and he sucked.

Barbre has improved, but given the Bears game, that doesn't mean he is good. Tauch is still a week or more away from being ready. The statements about playing this year come from the reporters, although no direct quotes from the Packers. As I said about Moll, if he sucks in Baltimore, then the problem is Moll, if he is decent, then the Packers coaches suck. (Note that Moll sucking does not mean that the Packer coaches don't suck, just that Moll's sucking wasn't their problem).

I'll leave with this comment about Meridith from Buffalo's OL coach:

From what Kugler saw with the naked eye, he had no complaints about Meredith's performance.

"I give all the credit to [assistant offensive line] coach [Ray] Brown," Kugler said. "When Jamon came from Green Bay, Coach Brown spent a lot of time with him in the meeting rooms and on the field. We sat down and talked about [it] and Ray said, "We've got something in this kid.' "

We kind of took a chance and really felt like he could do the job. Coach Brown believed in him and he just went out and did a heck of a job, as did the rest of the guys up front."